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Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown
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Wozz said:
They aren't banning theft. That's already illegal.
They're making the bitorrent protocol illegal, among other things. It's a protocol that allows downloads to be decentralized, good for smaller businesses. Pirates just happen to use it a lot.
Should we ban FTP, TCP, UDP?
GrotesqueBeauty
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Oh, Democrats. They've squandered all their political capital shitting out mandated watered down corporate friendly health care reform and toothless financial regulations. What could possibly be next but pissing away resources chasing after people who download a fucking album from the internet? I'm filing this one under "priorities" right next to banning flavored cigarettes (except the one kind that actually comprises a substantial segment of the major tobacco companies' market).
fortified_concept
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The corporate puppet is acting like a corporate puppet. Also grass is green.
Superman00
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A politician is a politician after all.
Tim the Wiz
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Absolutely ridiculous. The worst of the three, if that's possible, is the fucking thought crimes - it's ripped straight out of Orwell. People laugh off the talk of corporatist control of politics much too often, this is the proof: in an area where politicians have little technical understanding of what's occurring, they defer to the lobbyists. Same thing happened to a certain, truly disgusting, extent with financial regulation reform. Seriously disappointed with Obama at the moment.
Megadragon15
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"Change you can believe in."
Brobzoid said:
Because our government is fucking stupid *and* corrupt.
Banning the bittorrent protocol doesn't really do anything. It just means someone has to come up with a extremely similar concept and call it something else.
SloppehSlawlz
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So this proposal is suppose to crack down on piracy, and judging from the reactions in this thread, a lot of people don't want this to happen.
I thought piracy is a bad thing?
I thought piracy is a bad thing?
MadraptorMan
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Well, this is bullshit. Bad Obama, bad!
Come on republicans, do your thing! If Obama wants it done, you must filibuster it!!
Come on republicans, do your thing! If Obama wants it done, you must filibuster it!!
Rabid Wolverine
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So this will Fix Obama's falling approval rating :lol
Time for someone to make a new protocol and make a shitload of $$$$.
Time for someone to make a new protocol and make a shitload of $$$$.
The Librarian
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Like what?datruth29 said:
Tim the Wiz
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SloppehSlawlz said:
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SloppehSlawlz
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If you seriously think thats going to happen, then I think you need to take a few days off the internet.datruth29 said:
Elfforkusu
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So, I know ACTA is horrifically bad, and that's what most of the posts in this topic are about.
But what about the actual thing that the administration announced.
According to the release:
First, we will lead by example. Specifically, we will work to ensure that we do not mistakenly purchase or use illegal products.
Boring. Not about "my torrents".
Second, the strategy underscores that this Administration supports transparency. That includes transparency in our development of enforcement policy, information sharing, and reporting of law enforcement activities at home and abroad.
Still not about "my torrents".
Third, we will improve coordination and thereby increase efficiency and effectiveness of law enforcement efforts at the Federal, state and local level, of personnel stationed overseas and of our international training efforts.
Also not about "my torrents".
Fourth, we will work with our trading partners and within international organizations to better enforce American intellectual property rights in the global economy. In that regard, we will initiate a comprehensive review of current efforts in support of U.S. businesses that have difficulty enforcing their intellectual property rights in overseas markets, with a particular focus on China.
Once again...
Fifth, we must secure our supply chain. To achieve this most important goal, we will take a close look at the unique problems posed by foreign-based websites and other entities that provide access to counterfeit or pirated products, and develop a coordinated and comprehensive plan to address them. We will make sure our law enforcement has the authority it needs to secure the supply chain and also encourage industry to work collaboratively to address unlawful activity on the internet, such as illegal downloading and illegal internet pharmacies.
Finally something about "my torrents"! But this kinda sounds hand wavy, like "sure we'll encourage something about torrents blah blah give us campaign money RIAA!"
Sixth, and finally, we will make sure we spend your money wisely, a process we have already begun. To do that, we have, and will continue to collect and track the amount of money we spend on intellectual property enforcement per year. We will use this information to map out the most effective way to fight this theft.
Case in point, the next thing is about money.
So yeah, what's actually written here doesn't look like anything bad... yet. The real problem is still ACTA, which deserves all the contempt it can get. Anyone who votes yea on that sham should be immediately evicted from office. We'll see how Obama & co. play it.
But what about the actual thing that the administration announced.
According to the release:
First, we will lead by example. Specifically, we will work to ensure that we do not mistakenly purchase or use illegal products.
Boring. Not about "my torrents".
Second, the strategy underscores that this Administration supports transparency. That includes transparency in our development of enforcement policy, information sharing, and reporting of law enforcement activities at home and abroad.
Still not about "my torrents".
Third, we will improve coordination and thereby increase efficiency and effectiveness of law enforcement efforts at the Federal, state and local level, of personnel stationed overseas and of our international training efforts.
Also not about "my torrents".
Fourth, we will work with our trading partners and within international organizations to better enforce American intellectual property rights in the global economy. In that regard, we will initiate a comprehensive review of current efforts in support of U.S. businesses that have difficulty enforcing their intellectual property rights in overseas markets, with a particular focus on China.
Once again...
Fifth, we must secure our supply chain. To achieve this most important goal, we will take a close look at the unique problems posed by foreign-based websites and other entities that provide access to counterfeit or pirated products, and develop a coordinated and comprehensive plan to address them. We will make sure our law enforcement has the authority it needs to secure the supply chain and also encourage industry to work collaboratively to address unlawful activity on the internet, such as illegal downloading and illegal internet pharmacies.
Finally something about "my torrents"! But this kinda sounds hand wavy, like "sure we'll encourage something about torrents blah blah give us campaign money RIAA!"
Sixth, and finally, we will make sure we spend your money wisely, a process we have already begun. To do that, we have, and will continue to collect and track the amount of money we spend on intellectual property enforcement per year. We will use this information to map out the most effective way to fight this theft.
Case in point, the next thing is about money.
So yeah, what's actually written here doesn't look like anything bad... yet. The real problem is still ACTA, which deserves all the contempt it can get. Anyone who votes yea on that sham should be immediately evicted from office. We'll see how Obama & co. play it.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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WanderingWind said:
I wanted to say it, but I didn't want to catch any crap. :lol
Well it has to end someday. You can't steal movies, music, games and nearly all entertainment forever which gets easier and easier for all masses to do without repercussions. There are amazing deals out there, especially if you save up for black friday week. I got so many $12 dvd box sets for example by keeping an eye out for deals.
Elfforkusu
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The problem is that to end piracy, you also as a matter of consequence end privacy.madara said:
afternoon delight
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I'll still find a way to copy the shit out of it and pass it amongst friends. Whatever.
Byakuya769
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SapientWolf said:
Probably my man Puddles and his sexy guitar.
RiZ III said:
Except for when you want to do a search for "Toilet Metal" and accidentally click on the google search suggestion "Torrent Metallica" and face a $100,000 lawsuit and a 3 years in jail.
I don't condone piracy, but getting rid of torrent clients and having this pre-emptive bullshit that sets so many scary precedents it's not even funny is not the way to go about stopping it....
SloppehSlawlz said:
It already has happened. Look at PC games with DRM. If your internet has a hiccup, game over because you're assumed to be a pirate unless there is an internet connection to confirm your purchase for every second. And nevermind instability issues that the DRM software creates for your property (PC) in general. The consumer be damned, he's a crook.
Just go on amazon, look at PC game reviews. You'll see hits getting 1/5 stars because half of the people can't play it.
It's like those annoying "don't download a car" ads on DVDs. They're fucking stupid because pirates rip that stuff out.
speculawyer
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Meh. The USA runs a massive trade deficit and it would be reduced if we could eliminate some piracy.
So it says that everyone infringes on IP law in some capacity every day...
Is a Democracy not supposed to obey the will of it's citizens? If all the citizens are doing it, how can you pass a law that is in complete opposition to that?
I'd say thank god I'm Canadian, but a similar law is going through the house of commons as we speak.
Is a Democracy not supposed to obey the will of it's citizens? If all the citizens are doing it, how can you pass a law that is in complete opposition to that?
I'd say thank god I'm Canadian, but a similar law is going through the house of commons as we speak.
MisterAnderson
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RiZ III said:
Pretty much. Although LOL at "thought crimes" and the fact that the music industry is still completely ignorant.
It's also been an interesting debate as to whether or not piracy is good for the economy vs. bad. I've always found that intriguing. I'm sure most people who pirate a game or movie wouldn't have bought that game or movie to begin with, but I guess there's no way to really tell.
Again this isn't about banning piracy.
It's about banning the bittorrent protocol.
It's also about making it illegal for actual customers to bypass DRM. To give you an example of DRM, here's Assassin's Creed 2 on Amazon. 360/PS3 have an average review of about 4.5. PC about 1.5. Why? Because paying customers either can't play it because they are assumed to be a crook, and it has the nice effect of being unstable for their overall PC's OS which can be considered property.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001TOQ8R0/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Does this affect pirates? No because they crack it, along with the key, and other anti-theft devices. Meanwhile paying customers have to put up with this bullshit with their civil liberties eroded into labeling them into guilty until proven innocent. This isn't the walmart guy checking your receipt, it's the walmart guy following you home and monitoring your internet connection and fucking with your OS.
Likewise, all banning bittorrent does is:
1. Have pirate create a nearly identical protocol
2. Small businesses cannot use bittorrent, have to spend lots of money finding something else or spending tons of money on expensive, energy inefficient servers.
It's the same idea with those anti-piracy ads on consumer DVDs, FBI warnings. Only paying customers see this. Pirates remove it.
It's about banning the bittorrent protocol.
It's also about making it illegal for actual customers to bypass DRM. To give you an example of DRM, here's Assassin's Creed 2 on Amazon. 360/PS3 have an average review of about 4.5. PC about 1.5. Why? Because paying customers either can't play it because they are assumed to be a crook, and it has the nice effect of being unstable for their overall PC's OS which can be considered property.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001TOQ8R0/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Does this affect pirates? No because they crack it, along with the key, and other anti-theft devices. Meanwhile paying customers have to put up with this bullshit with their civil liberties eroded into labeling them into guilty until proven innocent. This isn't the walmart guy checking your receipt, it's the walmart guy following you home and monitoring your internet connection and fucking with your OS.
Likewise, all banning bittorrent does is:
1. Have pirate create a nearly identical protocol
2. Small businesses cannot use bittorrent, have to spend lots of money finding something else or spending tons of money on expensive, energy inefficient servers.
It's the same idea with those anti-piracy ads on consumer DVDs, FBI warnings. Only paying customers see this. Pirates remove it.
Quadrangulum
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It's interesting that this is the result of such a technologically savvy administration.
MisterAnderson said:
Of course it is good. People are "richer" because they can enjoy more music/movies/TV than ever while paying less. The money they don't spend on that kind of entertainment can be use on something else, the next more urgent needs. Of course, there are some losers, mainly the producers of music.
Just like there would be losers if we could somehow create tomatoes out of thin air. But that would be a great boon for mankind. Digital music/movies CAN be created "out of thin air" nowadays, you can copy a song or a movie an infinite amount of times.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Agnostic said:
No we're all going to jail for 15 years and fined a million dollars for typing torrent into Google don't you understand
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