wild wild rice
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At this point it's completely bewildering that they will stop at nothing to get Roman over.
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Disagree Guy
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They pushed Cena for YEARS until he actually turned into a semi-decent wrestler. He got booed for large portions of his earlier career quite vehemently by the crowds.
Interestingly I find Cena to be at his best when he comes to NY and gets booed. I like the slight heel moments he does and his reaction to 'you can't wrestle' chants.
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Sir_Crocodile
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The difference is that Cena was over as a upper/top level guy with the hardcore fans.
His wrestling was never great, but he cut fantastic promos. When they turned him face AND went PG, it was a double whammy he never recovered from. Those poopy raps were beyond awful. Some wrestlers may have been able to win fans back with their in-ring, but since Cena never had that he was stuffed.
In comparison, Reigns never got over on his own. He got over doing power spots as part of a group where he had to do little talking. As soon as he was on his own he was in trouble. He never had that period of fans thinking he, on his own, was great like Cena did.
wwf pushed cena based off something solid, while they're pushing reigns based on nothing.
Also Cena never had something like the Reigns Rumble, which was so incredibly hamfisted and insulting to the hardcore fans its unlikely they'll ever forgive him. I still have no idea what Vince was thinking with that kane/show stupidity.
His wrestling was never great, but he cut fantastic promos. When they turned him face AND went PG, it was a double whammy he never recovered from. Those poopy raps were beyond awful. Some wrestlers may have been able to win fans back with their in-ring, but since Cena never had that he was stuffed.
In comparison, Reigns never got over on his own. He got over doing power spots as part of a group where he had to do little talking. As soon as he was on his own he was in trouble. He never had that period of fans thinking he, on his own, was great like Cena did.
wwf pushed cena based off something solid, while they're pushing reigns based on nothing.
Also Cena never had something like the Reigns Rumble, which was so incredibly hamfisted and insulting to the hardcore fans its unlikely they'll ever forgive him. I still have no idea what Vince was thinking with that kane/show stupidity.
Disagree Guy
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Completely forgot about that. You aren't wrong. The booing in the stadium was incredible....
Maybe he'll be demoted to intercontinental and eventually have to team with Goldust
Rodeo Clown
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I don't know, I've always thought Cena was good in the ring and I think he's definitely won hardcore fans back over with his run starting with the '15 Rumble triple threat. (Probably getting demolished at SS 14, honestly.) Like, his match with RVD, his feud with Edge, they were relatively early in his career and they're still some of his career highlights.
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Golden Reign has a nice touch to it.
A Golden Roman is something a member of the Rock and Roll Express enjoyed with ladies of the night in hotel rooms across the country during their run through the territories.
Disagree Guy
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I disagree there. His feud with Edge I found incredibly boring. It's part of the reason why I started to find CM Punk boring too. Apart from their one epic match - the rest was getting stale really fast.
Cena polarises audiences but personally I've never found him anything other than an "Irish Whip - Shoulder block - Scoop Slam - STF - Attitude Adjustment" sort of wrestler with zero diversity.
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Disagree Guy
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Goldberg Vs Undertaker on the other hand.....
Also pointless but at least it's a bit more of a spectacle. The problem with Goldberg is I imagine he's signed a year contract and fans will never get behind him simply because he has no longevity.
At least when the rock returned after ten years he won the title and had a legit run
Bluekaveli
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Preparing for that new Vegas stadium
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Sir_Crocodile
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His stunner, his destroyer, his STF...they all look horrible. His fireman's carry finisher doesn't even look like it hurts much. His selling is also bad.
After a few years he learnt how to hold his own though. His matches with HBK (especially the london one) and his last man standing against Umaga were the earliest examples of that to me. The HBK ones would have been 2007, about two and a half years into his big push. After that I thought "if he's in the ring with someone good it'll be at least a pretty good match". But I've always kind of looked down on him because of how bad his sell is, and that's never gotten better.
Disagree Guy
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My favourite Cena moment is when Brock legit bust his head open with those sick elbows. I think at Summerslam '14. He looked so confused and helpless.
wild wild rice
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But how about Lesnar vs Shane?
PHOENIXZERO
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Wasn't that the step father that was physically abusive to him and his mother? Then later he was sexually abused by his step mother. It's really no wonder Vince is the way he is given his childhood.
fucking lmao
oy :/
I am so confused...
Sir_Crocodile
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Pretty sure that was revenge for their earlier match where Vince double crossed Brock on the finish.
Honestly anything involving Lesnar doesn't interest me.
Disagree Guy
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Once again blowing the Brock trumpet -
CM Punk Vs Brock at Survivor series 14 (I think)
HHH vs Brock in a steel cage (from the same era)...
Both fantastic matches
Cena actually had a time period where he organically got over on his own though, which is something Roman hasn't had. US Champ Cena and even early WWE Champ Cena was pretty over as fuck and the crowds didn't really turn on him until the WrestleMania he fight JBL.
Paiges dad and brother.
Sir_Crocodile
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Lesnar was supposed to lose, what - a year and a half ago now?
And they still don't have someone for him to lose to. Joe would be perfect if he was at least five years younger.
I think Roman beating him was still the plan a few months back. I hope it's not now.
And they still don't have someone for him to lose to. Joe would be perfect if he was at least five years younger.
I think Roman beating him was still the plan a few months back. I hope it's not now.
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His match with Punk is good. But it's also before he was this current incarnation of the character where he doesn't do anything except some suplexes, hit an F5 and leave. He's untouchable and it's boring as hell right now. This is why they have to call in part timers like Undertaker and 50 year-old Goldberg out of retirement to come fight him: nobody looks like a remotely credibly match.
Until he starts wrestling again or looks remotely beatable, there's nothing there.
Disagree Guy
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Holy shit that's a good point.....
Lesnar vs Joe would be a sick rivalry. I really really hope they go down that angle. If they market and promote that properly (LOL) then that could be a seriously good rivalry.
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Empyrean Heaven
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That's my prediction for Mania 33. Joe will likely join the main roster after Takeover Toronto, and be built up as a major threat. It's a big-time dream match, and Joe and Lesnar aren't getting any younger.
I'm pretty sure Vince doesn't have his finger on the pulse of what dream matches are anymore considering we never got Bryan vs Lesnar, Sting vs Undertaker, Punk vs Austin...
Disagree Guy
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The only problem I can see is why are they bringing Goldberg back?
If it's not to face Lesnar then that only really leaves Undertaker, and with this being Takers last mania (many people predict) then it seems pointless for them both.
I'd hate to see a Samoa Joe vs Roman Reigns angle and sadly I can see that crap happening.
PHOENIXZERO
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I know, just how cool they were with them being together not that long ago and defending her but now not happy about this. What did they expect?
Sir_Crocodile
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Joe as Shane's "guy" vs Lesnar would be a million times better then shane-o vs lesnar, which is what vince seems to want.
Oldest_Ancient
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That's a little harsh on Vince, Bryan Lesnar was planned for Summerslam 14 had Bryan kept the belt and I don't believe for a second that a Punk v Austin match was on the cards. They coulda had him as a manager but that's it.
Sir_Crocodile
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that's an outrage, surely it should autocorrect to "The Meltz"
Joe could be Brock, except he can work more often and has better matches.
Sir_Crocodile
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I would have said 100% impossible a year ago given his body, but since Vince accepted Owens as a champ who knows.
SallyIsNow
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Are you crazy?!? We got the dream match. Sting vs The Game, The King of Kings, The Cerebral Assassin!
Disagree Guy
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Joe vs Brock they could make amazing.
Have them keep teasing confrontation at promos
Obliterating each other back stage
Interfering in each others matches
Eliminating each other at the rumble
Joe injuring Heyman
Then finally they compete and begin a rivalry. If they have a proper stiff match like they are both capable of and don't use so many bloody rest holds.....
It could be huge.
I'm glad these shit games bring me entertainment every year through you guys at least.
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
Joe should work pretty seamlessly as a monster heel.
I really don't think that after the success that AJ has had on the main roster that people (I'm talking about Vince) should be worried about TNA guys coming in. Bobby Roode will be fine, too.
I really don't think that after the success that AJ has had on the main roster that people (I'm talking about Vince) should be worried about TNA guys coming in. Bobby Roode will be fine, too.
COULD is the important word here. I'm also positive he COULD
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