Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Who isn't nostalgic for That 70's Show and the superior Steve Jobs movie?
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Who isn't nostalgic for That 70's Show and the superior Steve Jobs movie?
FallingEdge
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Hrm, I wonder if they'll give a STRONG hint as to who his partner could be?
Generation NXT
TarpitCarnivore
Member
One thing I'm getting massively tired of seeing when it comes to defending a wrestler: Blaming the writing
This comes up a ton Wreddit, but it's honestly the weakest argument IMO. The most recent example is related to Mick as GM and how he's part of the problem on RAW. People are blaming the "material" and how it gives him nothing to work with. These guys are entertainers (sorry Haitch) and their job is to work with what they're given, and turn it into something more.
This comes up a ton Wreddit, but it's honestly the weakest argument IMO. The most recent example is related to Mick as GM and how he's part of the problem on RAW. People are blaming the "material" and how it gives him nothing to work with. These guys are entertainers (sorry Haitch) and their job is to work with what they're given, and turn it into something more.
UrbanDandy
Member
Brian_FETO
Banned
Mick can't even read the shit they give him, yet alone deliver it in a convincing manner
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
The WWE should absolutely pay for acting classes for these schmucks. Even a few classes would probably dramatically improve the delivery of those that sound like a wooden plank when reading off a script.
Sandow was proof that you can turn shit into massively-over gold if you're a good enough entertainer.
UrbanDandy
Member
Doesn't the Performance Center have that?
Uno Venova
Banned
It's a shame wrestlers have to battle with a heavy, poorly written script to prove their worth.
Especially when heavy scripts have actually hurt the product over the years and shouldn't even be a factor.
Especially when heavy scripts have actually hurt the product over the years and shouldn't even be a factor.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
Haven't ever heard that, but I'd love to know if that was the case.
I would wonder what the fuck their teaching methods are if they do teach acting classes though, lol.
slightconfuse
Banned
November
Might hit up nyc
Might hit up nyc
BewareTheBatsie
Member
Yeah, promo classes are a thing at the PC. Plus in NXT most people have ages to practice their promos, hence why they tend to be delivered better.
Is pro wrestling a shoot in that universe?Friends,
The Tiger Mask W anime is all shooting. A guyand the other guys were just like, hahaha well yeah what was he thinking messing with that guy. ¯_(ツgets rana'd off the side of a mountain_/¯
Okada was the only NJPW guy to show up in the first episode and he was just hanging out in the locker room with a young boy. (ﾟｰﾟ
November
Might hit up nyc
Hopefully this means another chip up into Illinois and Wisconsin is coming around the corner.
You don't want to see Roman win the belt in a fatal four way with ko,zayan, and Jericho?
TarpitCarnivore
Member
Nah man, this is the exact thing I'm talking about. You're deflecting a performers inability to perform with the writing.
Guys like Styles and Cena are able to take shit and turn it into gold. Don't blame the writing.
UrbanDandy
Member
Just checked. One of the benefits that the PC has is promo classes. I think the last notable teacher was Dusty.
This. I don't believe Cena is fed the same shit someone like Sandow or Del Rio ever got fed.
BewareTheBatsie
Member
While the writing is a main issue overall, for some people there is a genuine delivery problem and it can't always be handwaved as the writing being bad. It's not often, but every now and again there's a promo with fine lines that could be great but the delivery kills it.
TarpitCarnivore
Member
So you honestly think of Cena went out there and did Swagger or Titus' shit promos from the last two months they also would have fallen flat? Would they have been bad, probably. Would they have been the abysmal POS they were? Doubt it
No Sell Maxel ain't got time for none of his family's fuckery. He just out here trying to watch Little Einsteins and his daddy got him ringside in the Impact Zone.Matt's kid has that IDGAF look down
Let's be honest, a lot of what's written is written by people who have absolutely no idea how a promo is actually supposed to be given, which causes the promo to be even worse than if it was a good script delivered by a bad performer. It always starts with the writer, that's like theater 101
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
We already saw a SSP into a RKO, a forearm into RKO won't be good. The reason you probably didn't see the F5 into RKO is for obvious reasons: they probably couldn't convince Lesnar to spend an hour figuring out the setup.
You're comparing a guy who had been given probably hundreds of hours of mic time and all the best shit in the world to build his experience offor of (and was around and prominent during the unscripted, off the cuff promo era) vs those two? That's really disingenuous
BewareTheBatsie
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I agree, but the point I'm making is I don't think every single fuck-up in a promo can be explained by 'oh it's the writing'. Sure 9/10 times it's the writing, but there is always that one occasion every now and again where there's a promo that is fine in writing and quality, but utterly piss-poor in the delivery from the wrestler.
Something tells me that current Randy would need just as much convincing as Lesnar for such a spot.
avengers23
Banned
Kento bros represent
Is Suwama Kento's Jericho though? I am dreading that match.
SUWAMA beating Zeus was the wrong call, but they're out of challengers for Miyahara at this point. You couldn't really have Zeus challenge for the title again. So, move the title to SUWAMA, and let him shit up the main events until he's recovered enough to get to the rematch.
It's not like they can give the title to Ishikawa or Akiyama at this point.
TarpitCarnivore
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No, I'm trying to genuinely ask the question of if a shitter than shit promo is given to Cena can he still deliver it with gusto?
The immediate defense of writing is just a tired one. Some of these people still delivering shit promos have been given a lot of time and still haven't improved.
HazySaiyan
Banned
When you're used to cutting natural promos off the cuff, having to cut long winded, overly scripted promos isn't going to be easy. They're wrestlers not actors, they're not quite the same.
And besides, it's not as if the scripts are exactly Emmy winning. There's only so much you can do with shite.
slightconfuse
Banned
I agree wrestlers have to sink or swim and,follow their instincts.
avengers23
Banned
Joker Sling
Professor Beef
Banned
Writing is just as important as the delivery, but it's also important to remember that people now are given scripts to remember instead of bulleted lists like in the past.
Nobody is denying that there are guys who just suck on the mic. That always has been and always will be. Nobody is using it as a defense for these guys, but the fact remains that it can be nearly impossible to improve from that point when you're given the most horrendous shit to say.
avengers23
Banned
I challenge your assumption that a few acting classes would help.
Exhibit A:
Guys I'm so excited that for the very first time in my life I will attend a WWE Live show.
I'm from Chile and the card seems pretty cool:
- WWE Universal Championship match: Kevin Owens (c) vs Seth Rollins
- US Championshi match: Roman Reigns (c) vs Rusev w/ Lana
- WWE Tag Team Championship match: The New Day (c) vs Gallows & Anderson
- Cesaro vs Sheamus
- Sasha Banks, Alicia Fox and Bayley vs Charlotte, Nia Jax and Dana Brooke (special referee: Summer Rae)
- Enzo Amore, Collin Cassady and Golden Truth vs The Shining Stars, Curtis Axel and Jinder Mahal
- Sami Zayn vs Luke Harper
- Neville vs Bo Dallas
- Ttitus O' Neall vs Darren Young
No Chris Jericho which is a damn shame and no signs of some cruiserweight action, however I think is gonna be a good show anyways.
I'm from Chile and the card seems pretty cool:
- WWE Universal Championship match: Kevin Owens (c) vs Seth Rollins
- US Championshi match: Roman Reigns (c) vs Rusev w/ Lana
- WWE Tag Team Championship match: The New Day (c) vs Gallows & Anderson
- Cesaro vs Sheamus
- Sasha Banks, Alicia Fox and Bayley vs Charlotte, Nia Jax and Dana Brooke (special referee: Summer Rae)
- Enzo Amore, Collin Cassady and Golden Truth vs The Shining Stars, Curtis Axel and Jinder Mahal
- Sami Zayn vs Luke Harper
- Neville vs Bo Dallas
- Ttitus O' Neall vs Darren Young
No Chris Jericho which is a damn shame and no signs of some cruiserweight action, however I think is gonna be a good show anyways.
You are right and I'd agree with you...if it was any other show than the Sumo Hall one. Hindsight being 20/20 and all that I'd have saved the Akiyama match till now. Although finding another challenger for Kento instead of Jun in that time probably would have been a struggle.
UrbanDandy
Member
No. But are you surprised?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The Performance Center does have acting classes
This is one of those situations where I'd question how an employer would receive one of their employees literally putting another newly hired employee into retirement, but my understanding is that WWE didn't really like Sara anyways (they wanted Mandy to win) and was probably happy to let her leave.
Deadly Joker
Member
Help.
Yeah I'm just going to stay at work late and get some work done instead of watching this dog shit.
FlammableD
Banned
yes, multiple times
but no cause she wanted the release, you can't just release someone for being pregnant
UrbanDandy
Member
Well said. I can't believe they are already doing guest hosts.
Uno Venova
Banned
It's sad, that first Raw after the brand split was a farce. Raw is exactly the same shows before the draft with half the roster.
RecRoulette
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Help.
Are they rebooting That 70's Show or what?
HazySaiyan
Banned
And is it any wonder why the ratings are so shit?
UrbanDandy
Member
I fear to say, SD is also going to have hosts...
Probably on the WWE Network, for 9.99.
shaowebb
Member
No Jericho is a blessing at this point. Dude has been bogging down a LOOOOOT of PPV matches. His AJ Styles matches were horrible and AJ only started to shine once he got away from the dude and could cut loose, his Dean Ambrose match was...okay it was an Ambrose match, but it was by far the worst match of Ambrose's career, and in general he is just there to be put over by others at this point. Dude needs to retire already. It aint early 2000's Ric Flair levels of bad, but geez dude know when you're worn out and stale. Guy is dad rock the gimmick now and if he keeps up at this pace he's fishing for Xpac heat for just being done to death as a gimmick.