I visited Japan and saw that in person. I was very hyped for the Tanahashi/Omega ladder match. I'm still pissed.
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I visited Japan and saw that in person. I was very hyped for the Tanahashi/Omega ladder match. I'm still pissed.
Sir_Crocodile
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Elgin's kobe destruction match with naito was great. Same with the G1 Honma/Omega matches.
Brock was cheered and Goldberg was shit on. The segment was allegedly cut short because of this.
Who would have thought this would have happened in MN of all places? Apparently not WWE.
mmm yes the great and amazing Doc Gallows was universally loved as a quality match machine with great bouts against amazing wrestlers simply because he was put in the G1. Same with STRONG MAN Jon Andersen, given a spot in 2010 and 2011, wow he got over HUGE with some great matches. DBS Jr also followed the same pattern, carried to incredible matches solely by being put in the G1 with the superior Japanese workers. If it can work for MVP, it can work for anyone right?
I mean Giant Bernard had several G1s and high profile matches, including an IWGP title match against Tanahashi and hasn't come close to matching what Elgin has done in his time in NJPW.
it's one of the only segment I watched, and I still feel like I wasted my night
HazySaiyan
Banned
I can imagine. I mean it was a great match but it didn't have anywhere near as much heat as Tana/Omega. Should have held off doing a ladder match until Tanahashi was back from injury IMO.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
wwf as tonedeaf as when they had charlotte cut a babyface promo after mania or when they twice dumped bryan out of the rumble
never learn
notworksafe
Member
That and the Sami/Strowman segments were the only standouts of the show.
Bork/Heyman came out, people were cheering, Heyman cut a promo, some people chanted for Goldberg, Heyman shit on them, the crowd started chanting "Goldberg Sucks", Bork laughed, they left. Not bad.
lol vince is so fucking out of touch. unreal.
BewareTheBatsie
Member
Smackdown was already gonna be good, but Becky's gonna be back tonight? Best show for sure.
When they're the alternatives sure, which is just more depressing when you think WWE probably didn't consider just giving the title to someone else with no Rollins around. Oh-no, gotta get HHH his time.
serenewarfare
Banned
All this FloSlam stuff is ridiculous. Do they really expect any non-trivial amount of people to pay $20/month for indie wrestling?
FlammableD
Banned
Who are the logical alternatives to HHH, though? Roman wasn't over. Ambrose sucks in the ring. They aren't giving Brock another reign. AJ Styles debuted the same night HHH won. Cena was on the shelf. Orton was on the shelf. Bryan was retired. KO was Intercontinental Champion at the time. Sami was feuding with KO (and was doing NXT still). Big Show? Kane? Wyatt?
From a storyline perspective, HHH made the most sense. Is it a biproduct of WWE utterly failing to make new stars? Sure.
Shoot: No one over the age of 40 should ever be world champion
Sir_Crocodile
Member
To be fair, if they have enough content people will be paying $12.50 for the yearly package
I assume the $20 is to stop people taking advantage to just watch one ppv.
TarpitCarnivore
Member
What the hell was that Raw?
- Jericho losing the list was a good start, but ended too soon, and was ruined by main event involvement
- Why is Titus still around?
- Dana & Bayley with a terrible spot
- Tag division is just turrible; yeah Enzo & Cass are over all as hell but still can't wrestle for shit
And for the final piece: Can we please get Mick the fuck away from the Woman's division? What a terrible segment. YOURE EDDIES LEGACY
- Jericho losing the list was a good start, but ended too soon, and was ruined by main event involvement
- Why is Titus still around?
- Dana & Bayley with a terrible spot
- Tag division is just turrible; yeah Enzo & Cass are over all as hell but still can't wrestle for shit
And for the final piece: Can we please get Mick the fuck away from the Woman's division? What a terrible segment. YOURE EDDIES LEGACY
Sir_Crocodile
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There have been plenty of great champs over 40.
Probably wrong but I can see where you are coming from.
Who cares about that? Wrestling is a young man's game, and WWE needs as many new stars as possible. If some decrepit motherfucker wants to wear gold in 2016, TNA's still open for now.
slightconfuse
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Sir_Crocodile
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Am I being worked?
I think I actually prefer World Champs being a tad on the "older" side. Like 30s, or 40s in special cases like Flair. But I think that's because WWE has made me dislike 20-something champions due to Orton and Cena getting like 20+ world championships combined before they cracked 30
BewareTheBatsie
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I don't know. The whole 'have HHH win' thing had to be something they had planned for a bit before the actual rumble which could have been time they could have used to put someone else in the front. HHH just seemed like a choice WWE thought might sell Roman more as a face as well as continue the god-awful Authority story-line.
But yeah, WWE barely look past the Shield for young main event talent and even now, two of the three members are in the main event slot and have continuously both been whether as champs or challengers (fucking Rollins hasn't been out of the main event of PPV's technically since last years 'Mania).
Edit: My man Rusev would have been perfect and he was like the first one out.
- Seth should've made it 'if you beat me, I'll tell you where I put the list'
- Titus WAS DAD OF THE YEAR
- Dana is terrible
- Tag division sucks because they're pissed at Demolition
Has Rollins' face turn ever evolved beyond Seth being upset that he's not getting preferential treatment?
I would agree with you if Rusev's post Cena feud with Ziggler didn't happen
I would agree with you if Rusev's post Cena feud with Ziggler didn't happen
you're just reinforcing his statement
sf2fanatic
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I'm glad I read the Gaf posts to avoid that segment.
bolded is true, but I like grizzled vets as world champions. if you're still a draw, you should get the belt.
the far bigger issue is when only your older guys are over because you have no idea how to get younger guys over anymore. it wasn't an issue in the 90s: you had your fair share of over, older guys while bringing up new blood at the same time.
today? everyone is a fucking geek. you think any "stars" from today are coming back in 12 years and getting the reception goldberg got last week? fucking hell.
Telling.
Becoming a World Champion should be more of a crowning career reward than anything. Which is why I prefer World Champions being a bit more veteran and grizzled. The mid card belts are for the 20-something hot shots and that's where they need to prove they're draws and not flash in the pan talents.
Sir_Crocodile
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So now you do want champs over 40?
There's no doubt flair overstayed his welcome as champ later in his career in wcw, but it certainly wasn't when he won the rumble, at which point he was about 43.
HazySaiyan
Banned
AJ Styles is 39 years old, I don't think many people would complain if he was holding a world title in a year's time.
Bluekaveli
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I think this week we're getting Edge, Matt, and Lita on the Bruce show.
HazySaiyan
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This, it's not 1993 anymore
Sir_Crocodile
Member
The thought of Triple H, with his puffy nipples and shruken HGH-influenced testicles, being world champion in 2016 while a man like CM Punk scratched and clawed to make wrestling relevant again to the masses yet couldn't even main-event WrestleMania...
You were talking about the concept of wrestlers over 40, not aging bookers abusing their power
that's a whole different kettle of fish
He is the most talented man on the roster. He should keep it for a while.
C'mon, we still like DM
John Cena's next title reign will probably happen the same month he turns 40. And I'll be okay with it because Cena's twilight years have been the best work he's ever done.
HazySaiyan
Banned
Big Match John's been killing it these last two years, I'm completely cool with him getting title no. 16.
Bluekaveli
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Nash making fun of that Lesnar segment and comparing it to wcw lol!
HazySaiyan
Banned
You know who turns 40 in a couple of weeks? This fucking guy:
