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Official 2008 Olympics Thread - 1936, the Remix

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Jeff-DSA

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chickensoup said:
Can you fix your weightings so we regain our rightful place at third in the table, please? :D

Out of pure curiosity, where would the Chinese be if those obviously underage gymnasts had their medals stripped? I don't want to stir anything...just pure curiosity here.

Edit: Never mind, then you'd have to go back and figure out who would move up on the medal list in addition to removing Chinese points. Too complicated for something that will be outdated in a few hours anyway.
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
BULLSHIT

the only way to decide it would be to have Bolt v. Phelp in the 100m track and the 100m freestyle and then total the times. no question in my mind that Phelp would kick his ass by a longshot. but if Bolt thinks otherwise he's got my invitation to prove.
 

linsivvi

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Jeff-DSA said:
Out of pure curiosity, where would the Chinese be if those obviously underage gymnasts had their medals stripped? I don't want to stir anything...just pure curiosity here.

Why would you need to ask when you can easily find your answer with a simple google search? Just pure curiosity here.
 
AstroLad said:
BULLSHIT

the only way to decide it would be to have Bolt v. Phelp in the 100m track and the 100m freestyle and then total the times. no question in my mind that Phelp would kick his ass by a longshot. but if Bolt thinks otherwise he's got my invitation to prove.
Well no fucking shit. Everyone can run decently (especially if you're a professional athlete), not everyone can swim very well.
 

giga

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AstroLad said:
BULLSHIT

the only way to decide it would be to have Bolt v. Phelp in the 100m track and the 100m freestyle and then total the times. no question in my mind that Phelp would kick his ass by a longshot. but if Bolt thinks otherwise he's got my invitation to prove.
100m freestyle isn't one of phelps bests though.
 

joetachi

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Wow are people so bored with the competition they had in the Olympics that they have to make them compete even if they are in completely different sports. For the people that are dissing bolt lets not forget he only is in 3 events so stop toting metal counts.
 

avaya

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deepbrown said:
Here's a logical comeback. 1. It's about speed, but it's also about speed in different disciplines. Throwing something is about throwing something as far as you can, but there's different disciplines - discus, javelin, shot-put and hammer. They are different events.

2. Different individuals are good at different strokes. Not everyone excels at freestyle and those who do would dominate the races, putting everyone out of a career. And children like to experiement to find what they're most good at - if they're told they can only swim freestyle, then they'll just say "fuck swimming". The amount of athletes would halve.

3. It would be very boring to watch. I hate watching freestyle. It bores me. The variety brings ratings.

You're talking out of your ass, and even though you profess the "logical argument", there's no less logic in mine than there is yours. In fact, here's an argument:

4. Without the other strokes swimming would be dead. Less athletes, less interest, less ratings, less money.

And that's all that matters chap - swimming needs these strokes, even though all you care about is what stroke is faster. Just because you can only swim freestyle, doesn't mean atheletes who specialise in other disciplines shouldn't get to compete. Remember this. If Swimming followed your rules, there would be no swimming. End of.

Face it. You lost the argument. Javelin, shot and discuss are different objects. They require different throwing styles. You seem to be stuck on the difference between requirement and choice.

Free/Fly/Back/Breast is NOT analogous to Javelin/Discus/Hammer/Put.

It is analogous to running backwards/skipping/moonwalk.

Swimming is a time trial event. It is not wrestling. It is not a martial art. It’s athletics in water. In athletics all timetrials are done in the most efficient method possible except the walk.

Different strokes have zero justification. Having just one race for the other 3 types would be acceptable. Having multiple events for these redundant strokes is not.

Your arguments about “boredom” and “interest” are nonsensical. The whole point is that Swimming has too many events. So the reduction in these events is the whole point. If it can’t survive without the need for superfluous events in the Olympics then it deserves to fail.
 

Jeff-DSA

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avaya said:
Face it. You lost the argument. Javelin, shot and discuss are different objects. They require different throwing styles. You seem to be stuck on the difference between requirement and choice.

Free/Fly/Back/Breast is NOT analogous to Javelin/Discus/Hammer/Put.

It is analogous to running backwards/skipping/moonwalk.

Swimming is a time trial event. It is not wrestling. It is not a martial art. It’s athletics in water. In athletics all timetrials are done in the most efficient method possible except the walk.

Different strokes have zero justification. Having just one race for the other 3 types would be acceptable. Having multiple events for these redundant strokes is not.


Your arguments about “boredom” and “interest” are nonsensical. The whole point is that Swimming has too many events. So the reduction in these events is the whole point. If it can’t survive without the need for superfluous events in the Olympics then it deserves to fail.

Dude, how ignorant are you? In real life, like outside of competition, there are reasons for different strokes depending on water conditions, physical tiredness, distance, and other factors. There's a reason why different strokes exist...they're not just to create more Olympic events.
 

Beezy

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US is fucking trash for not showing the track & field stuff live. I need to see the Bolt race and the women's 400m hurdles.
 

mclem

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avaya said:
Face it. You lost the argument. Javelin, shot and discuss are different objects. They require different throwing styles. You seem to be stuck on the difference between requirement and choice.
Well, yes, but in your Grand Simplified Olympics, it should be reduced to "Throwing the Object". And then, who wouldn't pick a javelin?
 

Laguna X

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Beezy said:
US is fucking trash for not showing the track & field stuff live. I need to see the Bolt race and the women's 400m hurdles.
I'd say the blame lies with NBC/Universal rather than the US.
 

jobber

Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
Laguna X said:
I'd say the blame lies with NBC/Universal rather than the US.

this

NBC wants women to watch the Olympics more than sports fans.

Even if somehow a feed shows up showing live coverage, NBC is quick to kill it because it wants to bombard you with 2 hours of each athlete's life story. Here's some news NBC, I don't give a fuck. I hope CBS gets the Olympics back and stay the fuck away from ABC/ESPN. It'll be like NBC all over again.
 
avaya said:
Your arguments about “boredom” and “interest” are nonsensical. The whole point is that Swimming has too many events. So the reduction in these events is the whole point. If it can’t survive without the need for superfluous events in the Olympics then it deserves to fail.
You're missing an important point. Building an Olympic swimming (or cycling) hall is expensive, so they need lots of events to justify that cost. No point in going to all that effort if you simplify everything down to 1 event that they can get done in an afternoon.
 

gutshot

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Anyone got a link to the Bolt 200m race? Damn NBC, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPOIL THE RESULTS ON YOUR FRONT PAGE AT LEAST GIVE ME A VIDEO LINK!!!

A way to get around the BBC territory rules would also work.
 
gutshot said:
Anyone got a link to the Bolt 200m race? Damn NBC, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPOIL THE RESULTS ON YOUR FRONT PAGE AT LEAST GIVE ME A VIDEO LINK!!!

A way to get around the BBC territory rules would also work.

They've done this twice now and its pretty annoying.

Don't say "OH FUCK WOWWW BOLTLTTT" on your front page but not have video links and yet have vid links to some fucking canoe race. Then at the same time they take down the youtube vids...
 

avaya

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mclem said:
Well, yes, but in your Grand Simplified Olympics, it should be reduced to "Throwing the Object". And then, who wouldn't pick a javelin?

I didn't want any of those events removed. They have legitimacy. Swimming has too many events.

Jeff-DSA said:
Dude, how ignorant are you? In real life, like outside of competition, there are reasons for different strokes depending on water conditions, physical tiredness, distance, and other factors. There's a reason why different strokes exist...they're not just to create more Olympic events.

I was wondering when this little chestnut was going to pop up. That's fine. Irrelevant to the tine trial argument.
 

mclem

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avaya said:
I didn't want any of those events removed. They have legitimacy. Swimming has too many events.
Ah, but by your own argument, you should do. They're all 'just' throwing things, after all.

Personally, I like the idea of expanding the athletics events. Backwards running! Sack race! Three legged race! I can't speak for elsewhere in the world, but British kids have been in training for those from a very young age...
 
Lucky cheetah man, just got his silver medal. Churandy was also disqualified for lane change, according to the official site. Happy for Dix, which ended with a bronze.
 

Ceres

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avaya said:
I didn't want any of those events removed. They have legitimacy. Swimming has too many events.

Wait.... So how far you can throw a heavy object like a shot put or a lighter aerodynamic object like a javelin matter more versus how fast you can go swimming freestyle vs backstroke? Why exactly? They're both nothing more than about how far you can throw.
 
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