Official 2009 NBA Offseason Thread of Yue 'n Lue: Kiss The Rings

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I posted earlier that I hope he was doing that. Awesome. THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD DO. Let the sight fester in you and grow and motivate you to new heights. Good job, Dwight...

BUT IT'S TIME FOR A NEW ERA OF NEW YORK KNICK BASK-KET-BALLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!
 
The Frankman said:
I posted earlier that I hope he was doing that. Awesome. THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD DO. Let the sight fester in you and grow and motivate you to new heights. Good job, Dwight...

BUT IT'S TIME FOR A NEW ERA OF NEW YORK KNICK BASK-KET-BALLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!
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The era where you tank while desperately trying to sell off McCurry?
 
The Stealth Fox said:
The Ostrich-Rat hybrid can suck it. I could blow on him and that ****er would fall down on defense.

Oberto could play better defense on Howard than that idiot.
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Man, Stealthfox and branduil are so bitter I don't even think bitter is a good enough word to fucking describe it anymore :lol

It's gone from utter bitterness to just contempt. These guys have produced some of the rawest hate for players and teams that have done nothing to them or their franchises. It's really ridiculous. It's like they're hating for the sake of it.

But I do enjoy it. So please carry on.
 
woodchuck said:
at least you can always watch 4 championship videos :(
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That 2006 Western Conference was so hard it should count as a ring. The 2006 Mavs definitely worked harder than these punk Lakers who (should have, if they didn't suck) breezed through the playoffs by facing a Jazz team who had been crippled with injuries the entire year, a Rocket team without its 2 best players, the Denver Nuggets, and a Magic team without an all-star PG.
 
The Crimson Blur said:
That 2006 Western Conference was so hard it should count as a ring. The 2006 Mavs definitely worked harder than these punk Lakers who (should have, if they didn't suck) breezed through the playoffs by facing a Jazz team who had been crippled with injuries the entire year, a Rocket team without its 2 best players, the Denver Nuggets, and a Magic team without an all-star PG.
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Come on now Crimson, don't do this. You know better than that. Or we'll all point to 1999 or 2007.
 
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So Knicks-Age, who do you want in the draft?

If he's still on the board, Curry no question, but I just don't see him staying there till 8. If he's(Curry) off the board, I like Jrue Holiday. Brandon Jennings just reminds me of Marbury 2.0 with his recent comments about Rubio, and he is just banking on some "mystique" because of his play in Europe (which apparently wasn't that good). Other potential picks I could see are Jonny Flynn and Demar DeRozan.
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Forceatowulf said:
Man, Stealthfox and branduil are so bitter I don't even think bitter is a good enough word to fucking describe it anymore :lol

It's gone from utter bitterness to just contempt. These guys have produced some of the rawest hate for players and teams that have done nothing to them or their franchises. It's really ridiculous. It's like they're hating for the sake of it.

But I do enjoy it. So please carry on.
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If I was bitter, I wouldn't repeatedly say Kobe Bryant is the best player in the world. I did. I also picked the Lakers to win it all.

But you can't beat the softness out of Gasol. It only makes him softer. Softie player needs help to get his softie championship. Dude was a wiener in Memphis, and that should be evidence enough that he's overrated. Kobe is a winner. Gasol is a whiner.

On being abused by 6'6 players on national TV:

Gasol = 1
Everyone else = 0
 
woodchuck said:
also, can we lay rest the argument that if Bynum was healthy last year, the lakers would have won? dude fucking sucks
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Eh. I think the argument assumes that he was healthy and playing at his best (look at January of this year). If that's the argument, it's arguable, but I'd still agree.
 
chaoticprout said:
Come on now Crimson, don't do this. You know better than that. Or we'll all point to 1999 or 2007.
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It was an off year in the NBA man. Too many injuries, the economy ruined the trade deadline, and general parity. The 2nd (or 3rd or 4th arguably) best team of 2008 won in 2009 because the other teams were injured. The Lakers made no significant upgrades; they were the same team as last year. If the 2009 Lakers faced the 2008 Celtics, we would have the same outcome. Don't give me that "they learned their lesson" BS either, I think it is pretty clear through these playoffs that they didn't.
 
chaoticprout said:
Eh. I think the argument assumes that he was healthy and playing at his best (look at January of this year). If that's the argument, it's arguable, but I'd still agree.
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Well, if everyone was playing their best, they wouldn't suck. And if that were the case, we'd have the best league ever.

Everyone thought Bynum was back towards the end of the season. Needless to say, he was playing against garbage competition, because when faced with the pressure of playoff competition, dude stunk it up.

You know, in some ways, I'd say the '09 Lakers were worse than the '08 Lakers. Their bench friggin sucked this year, and their main line hasn't changed, although maybe Odom coming off the bench provides a different mentality to scoring.

The Lakers deserved to win the title this year, since they were the most talented team in the playoffs. There's no asterisk for that and all banners end up being the same, but from a basketball fan perspective, so much weird crap this year in both conferences happened that we really don't know what could've happened.
 
but i have to really give it up for gasol. impressive on both sides of the floor. without looking at any of the stats, i bet he was more impressive than Duncan when he won the Finals MVP in 2005.
 
woodchuck said:
but i have to really give it up for gasol. impressive on both sides of the floor. without looking at any of the stats, i bet he was more impressive than Duncan when he won the Finals MVP in 2005.
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His offensive arsenal is SO solid. Now that he can defend very well (so much better than last year) he's truly imo All-NBA First (second if KG is healthy). Sorry Crimson but Timmy is on his downswing
 
chaoticprout said:
His offensive arsenal is SO solid. Now that he can defend very well (so much better than last year) he's truly imo All-NBA First (second if KG is healthy). Sorry Crimson but Timmy is on his downswing
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I'll take Timmy's downswing over Gasol's upswing anyday.
 
One thing that's helped Gasol a lot is that the Lakers play really fast... even in their half court sets, and since he's quick, he can get into the lane and draw fouls. He's also really good at running the floor. He scores easily when he's on the move.

What put the Lakers into the contention was having a guy that can catch a ball and finish. Unlike Kwame Brown.... lol
 
Ok, I cant believe people are putting Gasol and Duncan into the same sentence.

I'm already offended that Gasol and "great defender" are being put into the same sentence, but Gasol and Duncan? Okay someone's smoking a lot of crack.
 
woodchuck said:
also, can we lay rest the argument that if Bynum was healthy last year, the lakers would have won? dude fucking sucks
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What kind of bullshit is this? The guy missed 32 games this season and statistically was one of the better centers this year.

Once Bynum get's in a healthy season and get's back to the playoffs then you can make the judgment. Saying Bynum sucks now is no different then saying Jameer sucked because he wasn't putting up his allstar numbers in this series. You cannot expect a player to get back into the groove at the highest level of competition the entire year and play how he normally plays, especially when wearing a fucking brace. It can't be done.

And let's not pretend like Bynum didn't pick up a shit load of bullshit fouls he should have never gotten in the first fucking place. Every time he got it going a bullshit foul followed like clockwork.

Do I think Bynum could have made a huge impact if he was healthy last year? Yes. Do I think the impact would have been big enough for us to win the whole series? I have no idea. Honestly, I think Trevor Ariza would have made a bigger dent than anyone.

There is no doubt whatsoever that this team could have beaten Boston in a 7 game series last year. Fucking none.
The Stealth Fox said:
If I was bitter, I wouldn't repeatedly say Kobe Bryant is the best player in the world. I did. I also picked the Lakers to win it all.

But you can't beat the softness out of Gasol. It only makes him softer. Softie player needs help to get his softie championship. Dude was a wiener in Memphis, and that should be evidence enough that he's overrated.

On being abused by 6'6 players on national TV:

Gasol = 1
Everyone else = 0
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You're bitter because you refuse to acknowledge Pau is a great player and the second best player on the floor in that fucking series. It's not even debatable, yet you refuse to acknowledge it. You're a bitter ass hater. Period.

Now bow down and kiss Gasolids ring and live with it.
 
Forceatowulf, your tirade defending Bynum's piss poor play is rendering anything you say as useless, such as Gasol being some amazing defensive stopper.

If Ariza/Odom don't show up, Lakers have no chance at that series. Ariza bailed out the Lakers so many times during the playoffs and the Finals, and sparked every big run the Lakers made this series.

And there's no way this (largely the same) Lakers team takes out that Boston squad last year. The bench got them there last year, and it ****ing sucked this year. That's because you guys got conned by Vujacic.

And Adam Morrison has a ring, so I don't ****ing care about Gasol's.
 
The Stealth Fox said:
Forceatowulf, your tirade defending Bynum's piss poor play is rendering anything you say as useless, such as Gasol being some amazing defensive stopper.

And Adam Morrison has a ring, so I don't ****ing care.
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When did I say he was an amazing defensive stopper? My point is he was good enough to stop "the most dominate big" in the game and out play him the majority of the series.

And the difference between Gasolid and Morrison is that Gasolid helped his team win. Do you get the difference? Or is your bitter hatred blinding you from forming a rational cohesive thought?
 
chaoticprout said:
You're a Spurs homer, so I didn't expect you'd answer anything else =P
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No reasonable person would compare Duncan and Gasol. Even if Duncan was 80 and in a wheelchair, he would still beat Gasol in a game of basketball.

(you can still do a bank shot from a wheelchair)

woodchuck said:
timmy got worked by ryan hollins

ryan hollins
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Hollins is surprisingly good, huh? Kids a keeper. Re-sign him.

But, as you well know, Duncan was not the reason we lost that series. He had an absurd 27.36 PER. His final rally when his team was facing elimination (10 straight FGs?) will go down as one of my favorite Duncan memories. Heart of a champion.
 
Forceatowulf said:
When did I say he was an amazing defensive stopper? My point is he was good enough to stop "the most dominate big" in the game and out play him the majority of the series.

And the difference between Gasolid and Morrison is that Gasolid helped his team win. Do you get the difference? Or is your bitter hatred blinding you from forming a rational cohesive thought?
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The only "rational cohesive thought" I have is that Gasol is friggin' overrated. All I gotta say is "Kobe makes his teammates better". You're propping him up to some elevated status by saying "Oh, he checked the most dominant offensive player! That must mean he's awesome!" and I'm just merely countering that. That's all man.
 
The Crimson Blur said:
His final rally when his team was facing elimination (10 straight FGs?) will go down as one of my favorite Duncan memories. Heart of a champion.
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And where would you rate Duncan's 4 points on 2/9 shooting with a +- of -29 in that same series?

>_>
 
The Stealth Fox said:
The only "rational cohesive thought I have" is that Gasol is friggin' overrated. All I gotta say is "Kobe makes his teammates better".
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He's overrated? The guy made a mediocre team a championship contender in the span of what... 7 months?! The Lakers were in Limbo before Gasolid. And then he comes along and they win a ring a season and a half later, you think that's coincidence? That an overrated player could have such an impact? Come on... COME ON!

The guy put's up superstar stats, plays consistently well, out plays what most would consider the best center in the league, is the second option on a championship team, stays aggressive, plays hard, has a ridiculous repertoire of moves for a 7 footer, and he STILL doesn't deserve a ring in your eyes? Anyone who believes this is a god damn joke. Or just extremely bitter for no damn reason.
 
Branduil said:
Western PFs:

1. Dirk
2. Duncan
3. Gasol
4. Jefferson
5. Amare
6. West
7. Nene
8. Aldridge
9. Boozer
10. Scola
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As rated by you I assume?
 
Judderman said:
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Honestly, I think this is a good year for this team with our needs - likely the BPA at #8 will be a 'need' guy, and that's great. There are a lot of guys in the 8 range that I think could help the dire backcourt situation - both in terms of decision-makers and/or explosive scoring, either of which we could use.

I'd say the one guy who makes me nervous is DeRozan. I've never liked his name popping up at #8 on the mocks, when it has in the past. He's good, but not what I'm looking for at that spot.

I'm also inclined to echo what Frankman said about Curry, but he's a guy I'm ready to give the benefit of the doubt too. Who wouldn't be worried about the size, but the dude is so talented on the offensive end...we're talking a high-ceiling, and at #8, that's all I can ask for. Especially when he fills a positional need and simply does not have as many defensive deficiencies as, say, Nate does.

Jrue Holiday is a very safe bet, too. I can't see much room to go wrong with him, though I've never seen as high a ceiling there. Still, yeah, I like this draft for the Knicks. There are a lot of safe paths Donnie could take.
 
Forceatowulf said:
He's overrated? The guy made a mediocre team a championship contender in the span of what... 7 months?! The Lakers were in Limbo before Gasolid. And then he comes along and they win a ring a season and a half later, you think that's coincidence? That an overrated player could have such an impact? Come on... COME ON!

The guy put's up superstar stats, plays consistently well, out plays what most would consider the best center in the league, is the second option on a championship team, stays aggressive, plays hard, has a ridiculous repertoire of moves for a 7 footer, and he STILL doesn't deserve a ring in your eyes? Anyone who believes this is a god damn joke. Or just extremely bitter for no damn reason.
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Let's be honest... it's because the Lakers had to give up nothing to get him. You add Gasol to any team and they give up nothing they will be better...

I am going to say something that might hurt a bit.. but the truth always does, its really not a bad thing, but Laker fans will take it as such because that's how y'all are..

Pau Gasol reminds me of Vin Baker
 
Toy Soldier said:
Jrue Holiday is a very safe bet, too. I can't see much room to go wrong with him, though I've never seen as high a ceiling there. Still, yeah, I like this draft for the Knicks. There are a lot of safe paths Donnie could take.
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at number 8? wow...
 
Forceatowulf said:
He's overrated? The guy made a mediocre team a championship contender in the span of what... 7 months?! The Lakers were in Limbo before Gasolid. And then he comes along and they win a ring a season and a half later, you think that's coincidence? That an overrated player could have such an impact? Come on... COME ON!

The guy put's up superstar stats, plays consistently well, out plays what most would consider the best center in the league, is the second option on a championship team, stays aggressive, plays hard, has a ridiculous repertoire of moves for a 7 footer, and he STILL doesn't deserve a ring in your eyes? Anyone who believes this is a god damn joke. Or just extremely bitter for no damn reason.
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Lakers were going uphill even before Gasol came to town. You should thank Bynum for getting hurt, because that's what even caused the Gasol deal to happen.

And where was Gasol before he got traded to LA? I've been hatin' on Gasol since he was rotting in Memphis while my Rockets were getting free division wins off his team. What. A. Winner.

Was he skilled enough to put the Lakers' into contention? Yeah, because he can catch a ball and has a soft touch.

Can role players put a team over the top? Sure. Adding Rashard Lewis, in the span of two years, led Orlando to 4 playoff series victories. Is he anything past a role player? No.
 
Blackace said:
Let's be honest... it's because the Lakers had to give up nothing to get him. You add Gasol to any team and they give up nothing they will be better...

I am going to say something that might hurt a bit.. but the truth always does, its really not a bad thing, but Laker fans will take it as such because that's how y'all are..

Pau Gasol reminds me of Vin Baker
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Hey man we gave up a number 1 pick. :D
 
The Stealth Fox said:
Wow, you must hate Scola....
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I love Scola. Especially when he tries to guard Dirk.

Seriously, though, the west is stacked as far as power forwards go. 5 of those guys were in the all-star game this year and you could make a case for a couple others. Being the 10th best PF in the west is no shame.
 
The Stealth Fox said:
Lakers were going uphill even before Gasol came to town. You should thank Bynum for getting hurt, because that's what even caused the Gasol deal to happen.

And where was Gasol before he got traded to LA? I've been hatin' on Gasol since he was rotting in Memphis while my Rockets were getting free division wins off his team. What. A. Winner.

Was he skilled enough to put the Lakers' into contention? Yeah, because he can catch a ball and has a soft touch.

Can role players put a team over the top? Sure. Adding Rashard Lewis, in the span of two years, led Orlando to 5 playoff series victories. Is he anything past a role player? No.
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lakers were going uphill but they were no where near Champion status. It's inarguable.

You're shitting on Gasol for not having a good enough team around him while in Memphis? Really? He led that shitty franchise to the playoffs dude. He deserves an award just for that.

And yeah, sure, Gasol only has a soft touch and can catch the ball *rollseyes*.

And Gasol may be a role player but he's a damn good one. A DAMN good one. Not every role player can claim that. Pau knows his role and makes the best of it, that's what makes him such an outstanding teammate.

It's like in your screwy little world a guy has to be the best player on the team and lead them to a championship in order to deserve a ring. What is wrong with you? Pau did exactly what he is being paid for and asked of and you're shitting on him for that? Just... wow. You're insane.
 
The Stealth Fox said:
Can role players put a team over the top? Sure. Adding Rashard Lewis, in the span of two years, led Orlando to 4 playoff series victories. Is he anything past a role player? No.
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The most expensive role player. Ever.

I hereby propose a trade: Pau for Howard, straight up.
 
The Stealth Fox said:
OUCH :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

The Spanish Vin Baker. Vin Baker del espana.
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:lol :lol

I am just being real.. both put up great numbers for less than stellar teams. The big difference is if Baker would have been just added to a team for jackshit he could have done great things. Instead he was asked to live up to his bad team numbers on a playoff team. If the Bulls would have traded for Gasol I think the end results might have been near the same..
 
Branduil said:
I love Scola. Especially when he tries to guard Dirk.

Seriously, though, the west is stacked as far as power forwards go. 5 of those guys were in the all-star game this year and you could make a case for a couple others. Being the 10th best PF in the west is no shame.
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I would bet a lot that if you could talk to Mitch off record he would trade Gasol for 7 out if the 9 on that list straight up..
 
Judderman said:
So Knicks-Age, who do you want in the draft?

If he's still on the board, Curry no question, but I just don't see him staying there till 8. If he's(Curry) off the board, I like Jrue Holiday. Brandon Jennings just reminds me of Marbury 2.0 with his recent comments about Rubio, and he is just banking on some "mystique" because of his play in Europe (which apparently wasn't that good). Other potential picks I could see are Jonny Flynn and Demar DeRozan.
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If we don't get Jennings or Curry I may start cutting myself. :(

And I can't for the new Knick's dynasty and the emergence of Knicks-age. We're gonna be so fucking annoying, it's gonna be glorious. :lol

The Frankman said:
Jrue Holiday. Straight up. 6'4 and a SWEET handle. No more small PGs, please.
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Eric snow 2.0 no thanks, rather take Flynn (who I don't want at all)
 
Forceatowulf said:
It's like in your screwy little world a guy has to be the best player on the team and lead them to a championship in order to deserve a ring. What is wrong with you? Pau did exactly what he is being paid for and asked of and you're shitting on him for that? Just... wow. You're insane.
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I'm raining on his parade. He's not nearly as great as you're making it out to be, with his defensive prowess lol

Screw it man, I'm gonna go balls out and say that I'd take Scola over him, because he's dirtier on the defensive end.

Blackace being a "bitter hater", I guess if we're not suckin' Gasol's dick, we're haters.
 
The Stealth Fox said:
I'm raining on his parade. He's not nearly as great as you're making it out to be, with his defensive prowess lol

Screw it man, I'm gonna go balls out and say that I'd take Scola over him, because he's dirtier on the defensive end.
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It's not that he's better than I think he is, it's that he's better than you haters give him credit.

But you go ahead and have Scola try and defend Howard and average a double double in the process. Good luck with that.
 
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