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[JABEE]

Person involved in talks:for Beltran: "Phillies still think they're in it, but the Giants think they have him."

I don't know what the Phillies are doing.

 

[Joey Fox]

Bryce Harper just hit his first home run in AA ball.

Woo! Hopefully he'll be ready for the show next year.

 

[eznark]

you'd rather have a #3 starter in a contract year over a cost controllable potential 5 WAR CF? I mean really?

I did not know that part.

All things being equal though? Yes, I would take the 27 year old, 5 proven years middle-of-the-rotation guy over the guy with a single anomalous season.

Pitching is so much more difficult to come by than a streaky, ass-hole outfielder.

 

[BigJonsson]

*snicker*


Bullpen pitchers aren't hard to get though, the Jays also aren't in the playoff hunt this year

 

[darkside31337]

He denied a trade to the Rangers?

Heyman was saying as much.

Beltran controls the show due to no-trade. No shocker, #sfgiants look favored. #rangers tried hard.

I'm of the belief that Beltran wanted to go to SF in the first place and really not all that interested to play for other teams.

That charter flight with him getting all snuggy with Bochy and Giants players to Arizona for the ASG was a clear indicator of that.

 

[sf2fanatic]

Looks like Rangers,Giants and Braves have a chance for Beltran. Hopefully its the Braves

 

[Doytch]

.860 OPS, 4.3 WAR season as a 23 year old.

Here's the reason why I don't like him as much as others:

Break down that year into monthly splits. Mar/April he had a 20% BB rate, way above anything he's shown. September is September, god knows what shitty pitchers come up in September call-ups, but this is the NL Central's September call-ups. Leaving only June in which his wRC+ was above 100 (albeit a high 169).

He's got potential, but...dunno. Though really, you have to do this deal. If he was even close to his potential you wouldn't get him for a bunch of relievers and corey friggin patterson.

 

[darkside31337]

Davidoff

Mets are expected to get Gary Brown and, most likely, two other players in return for Beltran.

Trade could be announced later today or early tomorrow.

 

[Enron]

Looks like Rangers,Giants and Braves have a chance for Beltran. Hopefully its the Braves

Sorry! Enjoy not having your future CF and Jonathan Sanchez for 2 months of Beltran's knee!

gogogo Daniels go get us Heath Bell

 

[Horsemama1956]

you'd rather have a #3 starter in a contract year over a cost controllable potential 5 WAR CF? I mean really?

he posted 2.8 WAR in his rookie season, hardly mediocre. .753 OPS this year, 5th best on Jays.

My concern with this trade is who AA is going to give up to get decent starting pitching. Jays are past the point of waiting 4 years on prospect pitchers. They've been rebuilding for like 15 years and all these deals don't get them any further ahead.

AA seems to be going sideways.

 

[Lambtron]

gogogo Daniels go get us Heath Bell

Please wait until Friday to do this.

AA seems to be going sideways.

Better than going backwards.

 

[sf2fanatic]

Sorry! Enjoy not having your future CF and Jonathan Sanchez for 2 months of Beltran's knee!

gogogo Daniels go get us Heath Bell

Heath Bell? U not confident with Feliz? I thought u a Ranger fan?


BTW- Azul fan so cal. Thats why I hoping Beltran will go to the Braves

 

[eznark]

Here's the reason why I don't like him as much as others:

Break down that year into monthly splits. Mar/April he had a 20% BB rate, way above anything he's shown. September is September, god knows what shitty pitchers come up in September call-ups, but this is the NL Central's September call-ups. Leaving only June in which his wRC+ was above 100 (albeit a high 169).

He's got potential, but...dunno. Though really, you have to do this deal. If he was even close to his potential you wouldn't get him for a bunch of relievers and corey friggin patterson.

For a division like the NL Central that is, generally, less of a consideration. Usually there are three teams in the hunt, which means teams don't often use call-ups in starting roles.

I agree it's a great deal for the Blue Jays considering all they gave up was a few months of a mediocre pitcher. If Rasmus doesn't pan out, who gives a shit?

That said, Bautista will probably have some "pointers" for Colby to help him return to form!

 

[DevelopmentArrested]

My concern with this trade is who AA is going to give up to get decent starting pitching. Jays are past the point of waiting 4 years on prospect pitchers. They've been rebuilding for like 15 years and all these deals don't get them any further ahead.

AA seems to be going sideways.

Morrow/Romero/Drabek is a solid 1-3. Jays farm system is incredibly deep, could deal from it to get another front-line starter.

I did not know that part.

All things being equal though? Yes, I would take the 27 year old, 5 proven years middle-of-the-rotation guy over the guy with a single anomalous season.

Pitching is so much more difficult to come by than a streaky, ass-hole outfielder.

Except he posted 2.8 WAR in his rookie season. No, a #3 starter is not harder to come by than a 5-tool CF.

That said, Bautista will probably have some "pointers" for Colby to help him return to form!

Right......

 

[Doytch]

My concern with this trade is who AA is going to give up to get decent starting pitching. Jays are past the point of waiting 4 years on prospect pitchers. They've been rebuilding for like 15 years and all these deals don't get them any further ahead.

AA seems to be going sideways.

Romero/Morrow/Drabek/CecilAlvarezLitschVillanuevaMcGowanMillsDeck

EJax would get the shit kicked out of him in the ALE.

 

[bluemax]

The Jays just fleeced the Cardinals, unreal.

 

[Doytch]

For a division like the NL Central that is, generally, less of a consideration. Usually there are three teams in the hunt, which means teams don't often use call-ups in starting roles.

I agree it's a great deal for the Blue Jays considering all they gave up was a few months of a mediocre pitcher. If Rasmus doesn't pan out, who gives a shit?

That said, Bautista will probably have some "pointers" for Colby to help him return to form!

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Bryce Harper just hit his first home run in AA ball.

Woo! Hopefully he'll be ready for the show next year.

"Bored now."

 

[sf2fanatic]

Santana actually looking good so far today..Little signs of his 17 win season

 

[clemenx]

O shit, wait a minute!
Olney:

The Giants are expected to give up pitcher Zach Wheeler as the centerpiece of the Beltran trade.

 

[Windu]

O shit, wait a minute!

lol giants.

i have a feeling they might try to sign beltran to an extension in the offseason though.

 

[darkside31337]

Fun wrinkle with the Mets / Giants trade is that the Mets are in Cincy right now for today and tomorrow's game, with the Giants arriving in Cincy for a 3 game series starting on the 29th.

Boras clearly makes the MLB schedule too.

 

[JABEE]

Don't give him to the Mets!

 

[eznark]

Except he posted 2.8 WAR in his rookie season. No, a #3 starter is not harder to come by than a 5-tool CF.

Look at his per season numbers. That 2.8 WAR is deceptive because it is based on a fantastic year in the field...one he has been wholly unable to duplicate. In fact, this year (by WAR) he has been twice as atrocious as Ryan Braun!

 

[Doytch]

BTW, I saw a MLB Network commercial today advertising the Pirates game that called McCutchen The Dread Pirate. It's taking off!

Also, re:Rasmus, DRS is a bigger fan of him than UZR. He was a +1 last year according to Dewan.

 

[The Frankman]

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW MY GOODNESS WAITAMINUTE WAITAMINUTE!!!

If Sandy dun get dat kid Wheela + Brown I'm puttin' Sandy in My Fave Five, you feelin' me, dawg?

 

[sf2fanatic]

Something good happening in Cleveland right now..

Hopefully I dont jinx it

 

[Windu]

Look at his per season numbers. That 2.8 WAR is deceptive because it is based on a fantastic year in the field...one he has been wholly unable to duplicate. In fact, this year (by WAR) he has been twice as atrocious as Ryan Braun!

well if he played the corner he would probably be average or plus. Nate McLouth is horrible in CF but is a plus defender in LF.

 

[rinse82]

AA, you've done it again.

 

[Joey Fox]

Something good happening in Cleveland right now..

Hopefully I dont jinx it

Does everyone know about the No-Hitter going on? Hard to tell because he gave up a run.

 

[Dmncnby2k9]

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW MY GOODNESS WAITAMINUTE WAITAMINUTE!!!

If SAndy dun get dat kid Wheela I'm puttin' Sandy in My Fave Five, you feelin' me, dawg?

Just read it mite be Wheeler!! That would be lovely!!

 

[eznark]

well if he played the corner he would probably be average or plus. Nate McLouth is horrible in CF but is a plus defender in LF.

Sure, I'm not saying "Braun has played better than Rasmus" I'm saying Braun has been less of a liability at his position than Rasmus has been at his.

That is saying a lot, because Braun is atrocious.

And Rasmus has gone from +10 to -9 in three years. To me his stats scream never-will-be.

 

[Enron]

Heath Bell? U not confident with Feliz?

Have you seen the rest of the Rangers' pen?

 

[sf2fanatic]

Does everyone know about the No-Hitter going on? Hard to tell because he gave up a run.

Im just LOL @ all the errors in the game..4 total

 

[Macattk15]

Dustin Ackley.

HNNNNNNNGGGGG.

 

[sf2fanatic]

Have you seen the rest of the Rangers' pen?

I would say trade for Qualls but after Saturday I dunno

 

[darkside31337]

A no-hitter going on AND the Mariners are up 1-0 on the Yanks.

Crazy day in baseball.

From Sherman

Appears Mets are getting Wheeler. Official involved just told me Brown and Sanchez r not in deal

It was too good to be true at Wheeler + Brown. But still awesome.

 

[The Frankman]

coutinho9 Multiple sources reporting its Wheeler=trying to confirm that now

OH SHIT OH SHIT Olney and Sherman are saying it's Wheeler and 1-2 other guys.

 

[Macattk15]

A no-hitter going on AND the Mariners are up 1-0 on the Yanks.

Crazy day in baseball.

The 2 best Mariners are responsible for this!

 

[Windu]

didn't realize there were day games today.

no hitter, No hitter, no Hitter, No Hitter, NO Hitter, No HITTER, NO HITTER, No Hit Ervin Santana.

 

[Lambtron]

The Jays just fleeced the Cardinals, unreal.

When a manager has a certain "type" of guy they on the team, and the general manager makes moves based on this, bad things happen. See: JJ Hardy getting traded for peanuts because he wasn't as fast a runner as Gardy likes. I'm looking forward to Kevin Slowey getting traded for a bag of balls because he's intelligent and has a dry sense of humor.

 

[clemenx]

Yessssss, please be it. Lol Giants.

 

[Enron]

didn't realize there were day games today.

no hitter, No hitter, no Hitter, No Hitter, NO Hitter, No HITTER, NO HITTER, No Hit Ervin Santana.

what is all of this about a NO HITTER?

Is someone in the process of getting NO HITTER?

 

[Dmncnby2k9]

Yessssss, please be it. Lol Giants.

Looking up scouting reports on Wheeler as we speak.

 

[Windu]

Wheeler was drafted #6 overall in the 2009 draft. Mike Minor, #7.

 

[JABEE]

pence is the guy philly wanted all along. they are trying hard. but #astros want big pitching prospects. #tradedeadline

Come on Phillies! Get it Done!

 

[LJ11]

I fucking hate the Giants.

Doesn't Wheeler walk the world? He's still young I guess.

 

[Corran Horn]

 

[XiaNaphryz]

OH SHIT OH SHIT Olney and Sherman are saying it's Wheeler and 1-2 other guys.

If true, Wheeler to blow his arm out after an average season or two, and then SF will pick him back up 10 years later and all of a sudden be good again.

 

[DevelopmentArrested]

Giants gave up more for 2 months of Beltran than a few years of Rasmus. Now that's funny.