You forgot the best one, Origins.
Official Batman: Arkham Knight Trailer Gotham is Mine
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You forgot the best one, Origins.
Yup. Absolutely embarrassing. This:
is apparently ugly. Even more telling is that for some people, this:
is preferrable.
It's the difference between 'beautiful' and 'sexy'.
One looks like a goddess, the other looks like a super-model.
keltickennedy
Member
Ehhh, everyone looks pretty similar to me other than Ivy. They are just able to add more detail now. I would also disagree with the overall look feeling more grounded. Maybe they brought down the bulk a little, but it still looks pretty damn fantastical, which I love.
I think they are going for a more consistent look. The old games were all over the place in that regard. You had characters like Joker and Bane that were really exaggerated, while others were more grounded and realistic.
It doesnt bother me since I thought their exaggerated design were all pretty terrible, especially looking back now and comparing them with Origins and AK.
Spring-Loaded
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Yes.
What counts as "no reason"? Every other character looks different (beyond higher fidelity) except for Two-Face and maybe Firefly.
There is a single comment on that YouTube video calling her ugly.
So OBVIOUSLY every single white cishead shitlord gamer is not satisfied that Ivy isn't a porn star, or what ever.
viveks86
Member
Where is this "super model" you speak of?
I don't know. Ignoring the green skin Arkham City's Poison Ivy has more of a super-model look to her, more exotic features certainly. Arkham Knight's Poison Ivy looks more like a greek goddess, in how they are depicted with a graceful beauty.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Haha, like have Dick be the main character? I'd be down.
Well...sorry for not preferring Ivy to look like her.
Are your eyes ok?
I'm guessing they've modelled Ivy after whoever the voice actress is playing her. Probably Sara Cravens.
viveks86
Member
Exotic? Sure. Super model? Not really.
From a character design standpoint, they seem to have tried to make everyone more grounded instead of freaks of nature. And that doesn't seem limited to Ivy. I definitely prefer the new designs.
No? I'm not even sure how that can be contentious. I'm talking about 'Miss World'-types.
You'd say that the Arkham Knight Poison Ivy looks more like a super-model, then?
DrGonzo615
Banned
Has Rocksteady provided a reason for the changes? If not then it stands as "no reason". (Not saying that they havent, but I have not seen anything about it.)
I also wasnt a fan of Scarecrow, Riddler, and Harley's redesign at first for the same reason ::dodges thrown chair::
While I can see some problems with Scarecrows original design and it would make sense that it would change since it seems that Croc was not gentle with him in AA, Riddler, Harley, and Ivy's redesigns just seem odd to me. I understand enhancing the fidelity on them for the newer hardware but they look like completely different people now. Its also even a bit more jarring considering that Two Face and Penguin are evolutions of their designs from the previous games, but not totally different people.
viveks86
Member
No. I'd say neither of them look like a super model. However one of them looks beautiful and the other just looks terrible
neogaffer1
Banned
Ivy looks more realistic now; before she was modelled more as a "perfect" person without any imperfections. Now she looks like a real woman, which means that even though she is still really nice looking she doesn't look "perfect" any more.
Auto-Reply
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While I agree that it's unlikely for this to have any exclusively modeled 3d objects, assetts were higher last gen and due to Nvidia and DX11 features some weren't even in the console versions. I doubt this will happen to Arkham Knights but you never know, maybe they are partnering with Nvidia again for several things, still wouldn't change the turret on the Batmobile I think.
No. I'd say neither of them look like a super model. However one of them looks beautiful and the other just looks terrible
viveks86
Member
lol
jim2point0
Banned
I was responding to that guy in a more general sense. He said it's sad how people discover these differences. But it's not sad at all. It's a matter of expecting "gameplay footage" to be honest.
That said, you can pick out more differences than just the geometry on the turret. Changes in lighting\shaders being the biggest.
Spring-Loaded
Member
It's handy when people who have the "i'm beset by SJW white knight PC brigade" mindset identify themselves.
And here's the search for "ivy" in this thread so you can look through it yourself, come back and say "There's only, like, two other people who said "ugly" verbatim, that means nothing"
Uhh...are your eyes ok? By that logic, David Tennant would be voicing Riddler in this.
Seems like they only redesign the characters based on actor/actresses look, nothing to do with their respective VA.
ClaptoVaughn
Member
I prefer Poison Ivy to look slightly less human than AK's version, personally.
I always liked to think that her mutation/powers were literally and slowly turning her into a plant, with the visual implication that if left unchecked after a few decades all you'll find in her lair is a massive growth of flowers and vines with something like this at its core:
(but plant like, not circuitry)
I don't know if her characterization in the comics ever hinted that she would even want this, but that's what I imagined.
Edit: Let's be honest though. For all intents and purposes, Poison Ivy should be nude, or practically nude with vegetation covering the private areas. She's obviously a naturalist. She would prefer not to wear clothes made of synthetic materials, and would definitely not kill plants to merely weave clothes out of. At most, she would have unharmed and casually strewn vegetation over (or even growing out of) some parts of her body. It's not my desire to see a comic character naked, but in this particular case it really makes sense to me. Notice I'm not suggesting Harley or Catwoman go nude.
I always liked to think that her mutation/powers were literally and slowly turning her into a plant, with the visual implication that if left unchecked after a few decades all you'll find in her lair is a massive growth of flowers and vines with something like this at its core:
(but plant like, not circuitry)
I don't know if her characterization in the comics ever hinted that she would even want this, but that's what I imagined.
Edit: Let's be honest though. For all intents and purposes, Poison Ivy should be nude, or practically nude with vegetation covering the private areas. She's obviously a naturalist. She would prefer not to wear clothes made of synthetic materials, and would definitely not kill plants to merely weave clothes out of. At most, she would have unharmed and casually strewn vegetation over (or even growing out of) some parts of her body. It's not my desire to see a comic character naked, but in this particular case it really makes sense to me. Notice I'm not suggesting Harley or Catwoman go nude.
Are your eyes ok?
I'm guessing they've modelled Ivy after whoever the voice actress is playing her. Probably Sara Cravens.
The question is are YOUR eyes ok? the guys picture you quoted looks more like Ivy than your pic.
Crossing Eden
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So yea about that gameplay. How are they gonna top Arkham City's side content.
DrGonzo615
Banned
I prefer Poison Ivy to look slightly less human than AK's version, personally.
I always liked to think that her mutation/powers were literally and slowly turning her into a plant, with the visual implication that if left unchecked after a few decades all you'll find in her lair is a massive growth of flowers and vines with something like this at its core:
(but plant like, not circuitry)
I don't know if her characterization in the comics ever hinted that she would even want this, but that's what I imagined.
Well she actually has plants growing on her, so youre not crazy. Her hair that kinda looked like crazy bits of plants in the previous games looks very conventional now. My main gripe is still that basic facial structure elements have been changed to the point where she looks like a totally different person.
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I have no idea, the Riddler is on board... will they clutter the environment with question mark trophies again? I liked them, but I'm not sure if this is the only way you can make the Riddler work and the environment less "empty".
I suspect the Batmobile is heavily implemented...maybe mini races, point A to point B... doesn't sound exciting though. You have to catch get away vehicle of a bank robbery on a regular basis or something.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
More mini plots like the mad hatter encounter would be nice.
Just add more stuff like the Mad Hatter in obv with different chars and different plots.
There are probably gonna be annoying batmobile side missions too. Riddler stuff is sure to make a comeback.
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Yes, that would be welcomed. By the way, I don't know how many people tried it out but you can visit many sidequest places with Selena in Arkham City and she often times has a small dialouge with enemies like Mad Hatter, Calender Man, Penguin etc.
Guess it's in my head.
I wasn't putting forward the idea that every character had been changed to look like their voice actors though. It just seems like they've tried to make everyone look more natural/realistic, and less like UE3 action figures.
wookieofdoom
Member
An M rated Batman game. Can't believe Warner is actually going to push that bar....
DrGonzo615
Banned
I wouldnt count on it pushing the bar too much further than AC. They probably say a few more cuss words or something that just edge it over the bar for an M rating...but I suppose time will tell.
Barkley's Justice
Member
The monologue may as well have been a grown-up speaking on Charlie Brown, but MAN #demGraphics.
neogaffer1
Banned
I made a post in that Rocksteady AMA about the supposed downgrade (framing it in the right way of course, so that it wasn't negative or anything) and now it's like the 300th comment on that page. Likelihood of them even seeing it is like zero now. Great.
wookieofdoom
Member
You are probably right. I already felt that AC was pushing the limit for T rated games. It's just that Warner and DC have, in the past, been very particular about having Batman stay in the PG-13/T ratings. To see them give the 'go ahead' on M is just surprising.
kitschbeam
Member
Scarecrow and Harley's designs are top-tier
so gooooood
If you send me the permalink to your post I'll upvote it (for all that's worth).
http://www.reddit.com/r/batman/comm...m_knight_amaa_with_rocksteady_studios/coy35rq
^ That's mine.
Serviceable. A bit annoying that you HAVE to use the gamepad but some of the features that use it are neat. Framerate can be a bit choppy at times.
Worst version. Those shiny armor on Batman and Catwoman is distracting as hell.
Ooh didn't know about that. So it's either that or stream it through PSNow on my ps4
yiepekaiyei
Banned
i just love this series man. Gonna start another playthrough of city in preparation for the new one.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
That's the first trailer to give me chills so far in 2015.
Maybe, but they made up for it with Harley.
Maybe, but they made up for it with Harley.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
So any word on whether this is using PBR or not, because the character models look like the best yet in an open world game.Scarecrow and Harley's designs are top-tier
neogaffer1
Banned
A bit late, but
http://www.reddit.com/r/batman/comm...m_knight_amaa_with_rocksteady_studios/coy0i9s
I upvoted yours as well.