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[Fess]

Tons of people buy VC games every week. I bet Nintendo's VC numbers rape the other two services. I could be wrong but casuals love retro gaming.

Yup. I know I do. And at least up here in Europe we got more than two games this week, because of the Commodore 64. So VC is pretty freaking awesome right now as far as I'm concerned.


My wish list right now

The Last Ninja - C64
Last Ninja 2 - C64
Delta - C64
Fist 2, The Legend Continues - C64
Krakout - C64
IO - C64
Impossible Mission 2 - C64
Aladdin - SNES
Axelay - SNES
Secret of Mana - SNES

 

[BooJoh]

I doubt that. Anybody who knows WiiWare exists would basically have to know VC exists, since the two are next to each other in the shop channel, but VC's great advantage is that it has a legacy of two decades, and games that people already knew they loved. WiiWare isn't going to be doing that, especially without downloadable demos; every purchase is going to be a risk. I could be wrong, and perhaps consumers will be able to look past that, but right now I think VC stands to do better sales-wise.

I don't know... for one, I don't think "casuals" are necessarily going to be people who played these games before. I also fully expect Nintendo themselves to prioritize WiiWare over VC, from promoting WiiWare more to possibly even cutting back on VC releases even more.

Then there's the space issue. I've been a handheld-first gamer for ages, and while I appreciate technologically inferior graphics and sound, I've come to accept that most people don't feel the same. I think a lot of people would rather put the "prettier" WiiWare games like FFCC on their system than the dated games from ages past.

Or to use Nintendo's fridge analogy: I think people would rather stock their fridge with roast beef than the bologna they remember loving from their childhood.

 

[Conrad Link]

Title should stay like this until Sonic 3 & Knuckles is released.

Not until you've purchased Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles separately... only then will you be allowed to purchase Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

 

[Slavik81]

How many people ARE actually buying shit every week?

That would be way too time-consuming and expensive... 1 per month is more reasonable...

 

[kswiston]

Not until you've purchased Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles separately... only then will you be allowed to purchase Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

They should make you buy Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles separately, and afterwards let you download the Sonic 3 + Sonic and Knuckles version for free. People should still have to buy both games separately (as they did on the Genesis), but Sega shouldn't charge extra for the connectivity.

 

[sk3tch]

This is new...

http://i28.tinypic.com/2qu81te.jpg

Ramping up their Virtual Console advertising in advance of WiiWare's release? Get the casuals aware that they can buy old games for cheap? If that's the case, why not advertise some of the real classics?

EDIT: looks like I'm a bit late. Well, it was new to me.

 

[Stalfos]

This is new...

Ramping up their Virtual Console advertising in advance of WiiWare's release? Get the casuals aware that they can buy old games for cheap? If that's the case, why not advertise some of the real classics?

I've been getting those for months.

 

[jgkspsx]

We get Mega Turrican AND Fantasy Zone, and you people are still bitching? From the posts the last two pages I thought we got more crappy games instead of two of the best games on their respective platforms. Oh well, no accounting for taste.

(lessness)

 

[A Link to the Past]

You are the problem. Seeing pretty much the top 10 VC games all being to do with mario sickens me

No, it's Nintendo being lazy.

None of my top ten involve Mario games at all. I grew up with Nintendo, and to a lesser extent Genesis. I never seen a Master System, Neo Geo, or a TubroGrafix IRL before.

The problem is INCREASING the number of games they have to add now, and yet decreasing what they add per week.

AFAIC, when they added the NeoGeo and TurboGrafix to the roster, they should have upped it to four.

Or, Hell, have it set-up so a Nintendo system game is released, on top of a Sega system game as well. For the last two slots, we'll either see Neo Geo, TurboGrafix, or both. That's pretty reasonable, but knowing Nintendo, they'll change the release date to every month.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Two games again? Granted for once both games are actually playable(though I wouldn't spend a dime on either of them) but damn!

 

[BooJoh]

Or, Hell, have it set-up so a Nintendo system game is released, on top of a Sega system game as well. For the last two slots, we'll either see Neo Geo, TurboGrafix, or both. That's pretty reasonable, but knowing Nintendo, they'll change the release date to every month.

Something like this. I'd like to see a release from each system publisher every week, if not a release for each system every week. That way no system is left in limbo, and we get a decent quantity of games so that people can get to the ones they want sooner.

 

[MoogPaul]

After staring at 800 points for about 3 months, I broke down, I got gunstar heroes.

Fun game, the gun mechanic as far as combining two to make one weapon is neat. You can cut off one of the gun upgrades too which adds a lot of strategy. Lots of replay value in the sense that you can pick a different starting weapon every time. The differences between Red and Blue adds a little as well. That being said, I'd kill for a Guardian Heroes somewhere...

 

[Dragona Akehi]

When excellent games which have been rated by the ESRB already fail to come out, creating a backlog, and Nintendo insists on releasing a miserly two games per week, this thread topic is far more truthful than the previous one.

 

[cartman414]

When excellent games which have been rated by the ESRB already fail to come out, creating a backlog, and Nintendo insists on releasing a miserly two games per week, this thread topic is far more truthful than the previous one.

Amen. It's as if they're trying to be authentic to that era in terms of how many games were allowed for release at once.

 

[Speevy]

Yes, miserly in emulating the successful xbla. What is Nintendo thinking? I say we get the entire NES library out there to compete with roms. Do away with announcing new releases, and surely everyone has played all the master system and neo geo's most obscure gems so they'll know right away what to choose. Use common sense. The VC is paced to deliver some of the best from every system on there.

 

[Nuclear Muffin]

Yes, miserly in emulating the successful xbla. What is Nintendo thinking? I say we get the entire NES library out there to compete with roms. Do away with announcing new releases, and surely everyone has played all the master system and neo geo's most obscure gems so they'll know right away what to choose. Use common sense. The VC is paced to deliver some of the best from every system on there.

The pacing is too slow right now and there's no excuse for it. Yes it can take quite a bit of time to perfect the emulation for each game and make the instruction manuals (Yes believe it or not these things don't magically appear out of thin air, work does go into these VC releases!) but they should still be able to get at least 4 games out a week!

 

[Jiggy]

When excellent games which have been rated by the ESRB already fail to come out, creating a backlog, and Nintendo insists on releasing a miserly two games per week, this thread topic is far more truthful than the previous one.

That and the way there are (already-translated) games already released in Europe and Japan that they refuse to put up in North America, and vice versa. :/

 

[Dragona Akehi]

Yes, miserly in emulating the successful xbla. What is Nintendo thinking? I say we get the entire NES library out there to compete with roms. Do away with announcing new releases, and surely everyone has played all the master system and neo geo's most obscure gems so they'll know right away what to choose. Use common sense. The VC is paced to deliver some of the best from every system on there.

git

 

[Somnid]

I'll be laughing when Ys 1 & 2 gets overshadowed by a third-rate Nintendo title.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

I'll be laughing when Ys 1 & 2 gets overshadowed by a third-rate Nintendo title.

you do that. i'll just buy it again and enjoy one of the best adventure games ever made.

 

[SickBoy]

Yes, miserly in emulating the successful xbla. What is Nintendo thinking? I say we get the entire NES library out there to compete with roms. Do away with announcing new releases, and surely everyone has played all the master system and neo geo's most obscure gems so they'll know right away what to choose. Use common sense. The VC is paced to deliver some of the best from every system on there.

Of course, original content on XBLA alone makes it a rather different beast, never mind demos, etc.

With the slow trickle of Wii stuff, I've stopped checking weekly what's coming out. Four a week was a decent pace, two isn't enough IMO.

 

[Dave Long]

When excellent games which have been rated by the ESRB already fail to come out, creating a backlog, and Nintendo insists on releasing a miserly two games per week, this thread topic is far more truthful than the previous one.

I'M ENTITLED TO GAMES!

 

[Gig]

you do that. i'll just buy it again and enjoy one of the best adventure games ever made.

Is that the game where you ram into enemies with your body?

 

[Dragona Akehi]

I'M ENTITLED TO GAMES!

Yes, keep on believing that Daddy Nintendo can do no wrong.

Is that the game where you ram into enemies with your body?

Yes. It rocks.

 

[speedpop]

I haven't been interested in the Virtual Console for roughly two months and this thread's new title is evident of that.

Nintendo have screwed up a good thing once again.

The saddest thing is that I have 4000 points here or there waiting to be used and I am not spending them on shitty games.

 

[Gig]

Yes. It rocks.

But, why does it rock? I'm not trying to be condescending, I just really want to know.

 

[Narag]

But, why does it rock? I'm not trying to be condescending, I just really want to know.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=269947

 

[Dragona Akehi]

But, why does it rock? I'm not trying to be condescending, I just really want to know.

If it ever gets released, buy it and find out!

 

[WiiRevolution1]

Ok let me try to figure out what Ninty's up to (...)

1-2 games a week (Mostly 2) both of them are either horrible titles or meh titles...

This could be because Wii Ware launches in eggxacly 1 month, but still its going on for WAY to long :\

Well heres my prediction:

Nintendo will keep making 2 games a wiik then on WiiWares launch there will be no vc games then after WiiWares launch up it a

WiiWares Launch lineup so far is:

FF:CC
Toki Tori
LostWinds
Platchen

Am I missing any?

Other games that are not confirmed to be a launch title but the creators said they were aiming for launch:

Gravitronix (Said on their website)
Pop (Said on a YouTube comment)

WiiWare's launch lineup is deffinitly looking so good after the stuff we are used to getting - it will be worth the wait

Its just kinda sad that after WiiWare comes out and gets its own catagory the Wii Channels catagory will look so shallow in terms of content :lol

/mindless specalation/borded/GIMME MORE VC GAMES!

 

[Dave Long]

Yes, keep on believing that Daddy Nintendo can do no wrong.

LOL! You act like buying games is a mandate you get from heaven!

If you don't like what they're selling, don't buy anything until they have something you like! What's so hard about that?

But this is the Internet, so you have to bitch bitch bitch that you don't get your way. "Boo hoo! Look at me! I cry loudest and longest!"

Who fucking cares? One day the game you want to buy will be available, or maybe not! If it doesn't come out, you have more money to keep a roof over your head.

You people are ridiculous sometimes.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

LOL! You act like buying games is a mandate you get from heaven!

If you don't like what they're selling, don't buy anything until they have something you like! What's so hard about that?

But this is the Internet, so you have to bitch bitch bitch that you don't get your way. "Boo hoo! Look at me! I cry loudest and longest!"

Who fucking cares? One day the game you want to buy will be available, or maybe not! If it doesn't come out, you have more money to keep a roof over your head.

You people are ridiculous sometimes.

Haven't bought anything since Neutopia.

 

[schuelma]

Just give me Shining Force 2. Please Nintendo, I'm begging you.


please

 

[crowphoenix]

Just give me Shining Force 2. Please Nintendo, I'm begging you.


please

Agreed. That's one of those lost games from my childhood that I never beat and would really like to give it another go. This is not taking into consideration that I love the game to pieces and would buy it at 40 bucks.

 

[Yaweee]

I've had a Wii since launch and never bought a VC game. Super Castlevania's been taunting me for a while, though.

How is that Zelda ripoff series for TG-16? Those looked interesting.

The cancellation of Kirby Super Star makes me so very, very sad.

----

Oh, and good ol' Shining Force 2. I got my parents to spend like 60-70 bucks on that for my Birthday, played through it five times, sold it to Funco for about $40, then rebought it for $5 at a rental place hawking their Genesis collection. Then, I sold that copy for like $20.

It would be nice to rebuy it again for $8 dollars, though I wouldn't be able to vend it for profit. Ah, the downside of virtual goods.

 

[DDayton]

When excellent games which have been rated by the ESRB already fail to come out, creating a backlog, and Nintendo insists on releasing a miserly two games per week, this thread topic is far more truthful than the previous one.

I'm still puzzled by this... the Japanese releases aren't anemic (from what I understood), but I haven't seen a major disparity between Nintendo-owned titles released in Japan and the USA. The disparity seems to be in third party titles... and I'm wondering whether that is truly an issue with NOA or with the other companies.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

LOL! You act like buying games is a mandate you get from heaven!

If you don't like what they're selling, don't buy anything until they have something you like! What's so hard about that?

But this is the Internet, so you have to bitch bitch bitch that you don't get your way. "Boo hoo! Look at me! I cry loudest and longest!"

Who fucking cares? One day the game you want to buy will be available, or maybe not! If it doesn't come out, you have more money to keep a roof over your head.

You people are ridiculous sometimes.

There is a certain palpable irony here that I'm having trouble putting my finger on.

 

[DDayton]

There is a certain palpable irony here that I'm having trouble putting my finger on.

Hmm... does it involve "internet forums" and "complaining about complaining"?

 

[MoxManiac]

LOL! You act like buying games is a mandate you get from heaven!

If you don't like what they're selling, don't buy anything until they have something you like! What's so hard about that?

But this is the Internet, so you have to bitch bitch bitch that you don't get your way. "Boo hoo! Look at me! I cry loudest and longest!"

Who fucking cares? One day the game you want to buy will be available, or maybe not! If it doesn't come out, you have more money to keep a roof over your head.

You people are ridiculous sometimes.

What the fuck

 

[Jiggy]

Just give me Shining Force 2. Please Nintendo, I'm begging you.


please

Definitely tops my list of already-rated games that I want, right now. :/ Shoot, I probably want it more than Dragon Slayer, Final Soldier, Ys Book I & II, Gleylancer, and Super Fantasy Zone combined. No offense intended to any of those, of course, as I expect them all to range from good to great, but Shining Force lasted me a significant amount of time as it was, and I saw how much potential the gameplay design had. With everybody clamoring over just how much the sequel improves upon it, and given a couple YouTube glances for pseudo-verification, I really and truly need to play this game. :/

I've had a Wii since launch and never bought a VC game. Super Castlevania's been taunting me for a while, though.

How is that Zelda ripoff series for TG-16? Those looked interesting.

Each is better than Zelda 1, as far as I'm concerned.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7492817&postcount=12511
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7765267&postcount=13119

The cancellation of Kirby Super Star makes me so very, very sad.

What?

 

[schuelma]

No offense intended to any of those, of course, as I expect them all to range from good to great, but Shining Force lasted me a significant amount of time as it was, and I saw how much potential the gameplay design had. With everybody clamoring over just how much the sequel improves upon it, and given a couple YouTube glances for pseudo-verification, I really and truly need to play this game. :/

Yeah, the same thing with me. Played SF for the first time on the Virtual Console and I just loved it. Really am dying to play SF II

 

[crowphoenix]

Yeah, the same thing with me. Played SF for the first time on the Virtual Console and I just loved it. Really am dying to play SF II

As much as I love SF, it doesn't hold a candle to 2.

What the fuck

Ah, it's ok. He just comes in here every so often and yells that we're fools. I think it's how he copes.

 

[Bloodwake]

Yeah, I can agree with this new title.

Seriously, VC is almost a lost cause at this point.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

The Virtual Console was 90% of the reason I bought a Wii.


Yea, the current state of it disappoints me a little.

2008 began nearly 4 months ago. How many games have been released that I've considered purchasing? Three. StarTropics, Lolo II, and Phantasy Star II. Oh, sure, there have been a few other games I have a mild interest in, like DoReMi Fantasy, Lords of Thunder, Super SFII, and Ninja Gaiden III.

But compare the output to last year.

From January through April of 2007, do you know how many 'must-have' games were released? 25. Twenty. Five.

Here's the list of games I purchased that were released during that time frame: Gradius, Kid Icarus, Kirby's Adventure, Excitebike, Galaga, Punch-Out!!, Castlevania, R-Type III, Zelda: A Link to the Past, Contra III, Super Mario World, Donkey Kong Country, Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts, Gradius III, Legend of the Mystical Ninja, Mario Kart 64, Zelda: OOT, Star Fox 64, Comix Zone, Streets of Rage, Beyond Oasis, Wonder Boy in Monster World, Soldier Blade, New Adventure Island, and Bonk's Adventure.

And that doesn't even include the 'meh' games I downloaded like TMNT, Sonic Spinball, and Shockman. Having a high interest in the VC made it more likely for me to download those lesser games. But that interest has dwindled significantly.

Sure, it's all personal preference. But I think most would agree with me that the level of quality software has dropped off. And that's an understatement.

 

[Jiggy]

Hmm... may have to try these. If I only get one, I take it you'd recommend the second?

Yeah. The only issue there is that it would be harder to go back to the first afterward, but I suppose they're different enough in some ways, like the original being less linear and only having four-directional movement.

But yeah, collision detection is loads rougher in the first game... I think I mentioned why in those posts, but basically they seem to have just tossed a hitbox around Jazeta's whole sprite, which throws the perspective off a bit when he's facing upward: his hair passes over blocks and whatnot perfectly, but takes damage just like any other part of his body.

 

[Shard]

I see the Amitron has been playing with the title again.

 

[Jiggy]

I see the Amitron has been playing with the title again.

Dragona this time. If it was Ami, the thread title would probably be about a hard drive.

...Which Nintendo does need to get to working on. Post-haste. :/

 

[Slavik81]

Nintendo's really spoiled you guys. Now two games a week is too slow for you? How many thousands of dollars have you spent on the VC already?

Of course, original content on XBLA alone makes it a rather different beast, never mind demos, etc.

It really doesn't matter how original the content is. The best games I own from XBLA are Symphony of the Night, Ikaruga and Rez. By far. There aren't any other games on the service that are half as good.

So you certainly won't find me complaining about putting old games on a service. If they're better than the new games, I'd rather have them. Give me Sonic 3 over Bliss Island any day.

 

[Christine]

Why the hell doesn't NA have Megaman II?

 

[CreatureX3]

Two games every week averages out to about 100 titles for the year. That seems more than enough to me.

 

[mollipen]

Why the hell doesn't NA have Megaman II?

For the same reason it doesn't have Megaman 1.

Two games every week averages out to about 100 titles for the year. That seems more than enough to me.

Going off of what Wikipedia says to give us a rough idea, we had for the following systems:

NES: 810 games
SNES: 785 games
SMS: 318 games
Genesis: 800+ games
Turbo-16: 95 games
TurboCD: Too lazy to count, as the games list doesn't give a total
N64: 387 games
NeoGeo: 154 games

So, even taking the result and halving it just for the fact that we didn't get all of those games above in North America (and to help drop some of the games where parent companies no longer exist), you're still looking at roughly 16 years to get all of those games if we get 100 games a year.

The entire problem with saying how many games a week/month/year is or isn't "enough", though, is that it isn't about how many games you can buy: it's never been about that. What it's about is having those games come out that you WANT to buy. Even if we got five games next week instead of two, it's very likely that for a lot of people, none of those five would be interesting to them at all. The fewer games we get, the less chance there is that you'll find something you want to buy. The more games, the higher that chance is.

That's why a lot of us think two games a week isn't near enough. Not because we want to spend thousands of dollars on downloads, but because at only two games a week, we realize how long it's going to take for those games we do want to finally come along.