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[Xenon]

Kerry's lawyers are already getting ready to fight Ohio and Iowa.

here we go again...........

 

[norinrad21]

God am gonna be sick and i ain't even an American.


These christians just signed our death wishes

 

[duderon]

I declare the ban on JOHN TITOR officially OVER. GET YER TIME MACHINE ON!

YEA!!!

Someone make thread with a checklist of prophetic events that have happened/are happening.

 

[Ill Saint]

With the stronger Republican Senate, they're already talking about an aggressive plan to get this going.

Exactly, and I bet it's just the beginning.

Oh yeah... Hello Middle East (again)!!

 

[Phoenix]

Do you realize this isn't just about tonight? This is about the past four years, the next four years, and every year following in which it will take a large amount of time and effort to undo what Bush has done/is doing. As far as civil rights, funding for science, the environment, the economy, foreign relations, etc etc etc.

Yes, that's true. But suck it up. We will have to undo the damage so we might as well get ready for that. If the battle is over, so be it. Maybe someone here will work with the democratic party and get them a plan, some balls, and a good presidential candidate in the next 4 years.

 

[ManaByte]

YEA!!!

Someone make thread with a checklist of prophetic events that have happened/are happening.

There are already websites out there that do that...

 

[marko]

CNN must want the tv ratings now, they just moved Ohio to "too close to call" saying with the 370,000 + 250,000 votes left, still too close to call.

 

[fart]

Agreed.

Karl Rove decided that the GOP could get the Bush-base excited by promising them to make all the new, frightening, challenging, different people and ideas go away, and it worked. You have to give them props for that. They had the best plan, and even though voter turnout was better this year, it wasn't enough for democrats.

A slight majority in this country puts their moral values and religion above their financial and national security. They essentially sacrifice their earthly lives for heavenly gains. It's a wonder that this mentality doesn't recognize similar characteristics in "middle-eastern boogymen" with whom they wage war.

I do think we'll see a different face on the GOP in races to come. Republicans are saavy enough to know that while going after the Christian Right works in short-term bursts, it's a bad strategy for long-term planning. That's why the rising power-base in the Republican Party is secular: McCain, Guiliani, Schwarzenegger...

you're an optimistic man. i like that.

 

[jobber]

man wtf?

I tried to get a break from the news and turn it to a local station that broadcast MTV2 for free and now it's a religious station. WTF?!

First the election now they're making me pay $10 for MTV2.


I need to format C: myself

 

[MetatronM]

Iowa's vote counting process has broken!

Literally. Count machines broke, the office workers are fatigued, and they are having problems with absentee ballots.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Too bad America drags the whole world for the ride as well :lol

 

[PS2 KID]

You really have to blame the DNC and whomever else packaged Kerry. I mean here was a president that was absolutely hated by so many yet they could not find a way to beat him. I'm sure many of us could have done a much much better job on Kerry's campaign. How stupid do you have to be to lose a campaign to Dubya? Dubya of all people?

I'm desperately waiting for 2008 where hopefully the Reps swing back to moderates like McCain, Guiliani, etc. It's too bad the party system will support a president who isn't even their best candidate.

 

[The Shadow]

That's the thing about the religious right. "Moral values" like abortion, gay marriages, and stem cell research mean more than the economy, the war on terror, etc. I mean, there was a reason why fliers said(falsely) that Kerry would ban the bible. That's a scary reality for the paranoid ultra-religious right.

Those who voted because of religious issues more than anything else are no different than the people who support Jihad against the US as far as I'm concerned.

I'd love it if I turn out wrong but I think this war on terror will escalate because of this.


And sure, there are those who are religious, logical, intelligent all at the same time. Those weren't the people who ate TV evangelist endorsements with a spoon, ignoring real issues because gay marriage and stem cell research were the reason we were "punished" on 9/11.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

It's really sad that you'd actually believe anyone in America was happy that 9/11 happened.

well - have a good read of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC- whose members include Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, and Woolsey) website and you'll see that their plans relied on a 'cataclysmic' event ('or a new Pearl Harbour') to be set in motion. easier to believe?

 

[Drinky Crow]

1) As far as I can tell, the "cataclysmic event" that has presented itself is the "war on terror." You don't think that the confluence of evangelical Christianity and the increasing rhetoric about the divine inspiration for our overseas military actions is a coincidence, do you?

2) As a former Catholic, I think that it's deeply fucked up that fringe issues like stem cell research or gay marriage trumps more important spiritual concerns like, say, providing for those in need and avoiding needless bloodshed in preemptive wars. If you're going to start building the city of God on earth, as Augustine wrote, you'd better start with the BIG stuff first.

I PERSONALLY agree with you in both cases. I think a certain portion of this country WOULD like a showdown with Islam for the title of The One True Faith (tm), and that makes me shit my pants more than any missing WMDs, trickle-down nonsense, or gay civil rights abuses might.

As for the second point, well, religion isn't about perspective. In the evangelical form, it's the most supremely selfish indulgence of all: sacrificing the world for your heavenly reward. People with even the SLIGHTEST sense of altruism shouldn't be expected to understand it, and I prefer that they don't.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Yes, that's true. But suck it up.

lol @ suck it up.

like we just lost a football game here.

"yea i know kid, but just suck it up"

WOW....

lol

 

[Dan]

2) As a former Catholic, I think that it's deeply fucked up that fringe issues like stem cell research or gay marriage trumps more important spiritual concerns like, say, providing for those in need and avoiding needless bloodshed in preemptive wars. If you're going to start building the city of God on earth, as Augustine wrote, you'd better start with the BIG stuff first.

Wow, I could have written every word of that, right down to being a former Catholic. It's scary, because really it just demonstrates a certain selfishness. Protecting the sanctity of their heterosexual marriages and striking down abortion is more important than saving far more lives from violence and poverty.

 

[Fresh Prince]

God am gonna be sick and i ain't even an American.


These christians just signed our death wishes

Aren't you Dutch, don't you have to worry about the 'right' in your own country as well?

 

[norinrad21]

FUCK OHIO

Aren't you Dutch, don't you have to worry about the 'right' in your own country as well?

Trust me i'm very worried, we have trops in IRAQ too and we may as well get used to people being blown up in our cities centers.


The whole world looks pretty dark right now.


I'm skipping class, i don't know what to do, i can't even cry although am trying to

Another 4 years of George



FUCK OHIO

 

[MetatronM]

John Henry, owner of the Boston Red Sox, has his private jet on stand-by for Democratic lawyers to mobilize if need by.

:lol


HERE WE GO! NOW we've got an election. :lol

God, this country is a disaster. :lol

 

[Phoenix]

That's the thing about the religious right. "Moral values" like abortion, gay marriages, and stem cell research mean more than the economy, the war on terror, etc. I mean, there was a reason why fliers said(falsely) that Kerry would ban the bible. That's a scary reality for the paranoid ultra-religious right.

Those who voted because of religious issues more than anything else are no different than the people who support Jihad against the US as far as I'm concerned.

I'd love it if I turn out wrong but I think this war on terror will escalate because of this.


And sure, there are those who are religious, logical, intelligent all at the same time. Those weren't the people who ate TV evangelist endorsements with a spoon, ignoring real issues because gay marriage and stem cell research were the reason we were "punished" on 9/11.

Dude there were gay/lesbian people who voted for Bush! I think we're drawing conclusions where none can be drawn. The exit polls themselves are very interesting tidbits of information, but its very difficult to draw any conclusions from them.

 

[impirius]

CNN and CBS still won't call Ohio for Bush... who'da thought?


CNN reports that the Kerry camp's plane (owned by the owner of the BoSox) is warmed up and ready to take the hordes of lawyers where they need to go. I heard Kerry say in an interview earlier this week that he had ten thousand lawyers... break out the popcorn!

 

[DJ_Tet]

Yeah, they felt the same depression and confusion as 9/11 was occurring.

At the same time, there were neocons with grins a mile wide.

I don't think I'm a neocon, but I assure you, 9/11 fucked me up personally. I've been in therapy because of 9/11. I was not grinning. Wtf?

 

[Phoenix]

lol @ suck it up.

like we just lost a football game here.

"yea i know kid, but just suck it up"

WOW....

lol

Its either that or sit around and whine like a little bitch and rant about how 'I didn't vote for him' or 'he stole the election' or some other such bullshit. If its over its over.

 

[CrimsonSkies]

What's with the Christian / religion bashing in this thread? Bitter much?

 

[soundwave05]

The Catholic Church was against the war in Iraq. Mel Gibson even has his issues with the war in Iraq.

I think it's more of the splinter Christians (not true Catholics) that dominate the US.

 

[ErasureAcer]

I can't believe so many of you guys are giving up. Hell...we lost Iowa and NM it looks like. That only puts Bush at 261.

Nevada, NH, Wisc, Mich were all going kerry last time I checked.

It comes down to Ohio. Kerry I guess has it under 100,000. There are 150,000 + provisional ballots. Plus absentee and who knows.

We can do this...we can win. Don't give up. Get out there and demand the truth. Protest the outcome of the election.

Hell, Kerry just got NH!

We can do this. Ohio can be ours.

 

[fse]

Stupid religious voters.

 

[DJ_Tet]

Ohio is the new Florida. All hope is not lost for you libs.

 

[SD-Ness]

bloody ohioians

 

[Fresh Prince]

So what's the Democrat's strategy for 2008?

 

[fse]

OHIO IS OURS

 

[BobbyRobby]

Wow, I could have written every word of that, right down to being a former Catholic. It's scary, because really it just demonstrates a certain selfishness. Protecting the sanctity of their heterosexual marriages and striking down abortion is more important than saving far more lives from violence and poverty.

If you believe Abortion is murder, like Catholics do, that's over 1 million murders each year.

I personally can't wait until there is Reversible Sterilization at birth, so this abortion mess won't be an issue.

 

[DJ_Tet]

Do you realize this isn't just about tonight? This is about the past four years, the next four years, and every year following in which it will take a large amount of time and effort to undo what Bush has done/is doing. As far as civil rights, funding for science, the environment, the economy, foreign relations, etc etc etc.

Do you realize that the founding fathers set up the country with checks and balances? The president is not capable of doing whatever you think is sending the country down the shitter. There are a lot of hands on that lever, not ALL of them conservatives.

 

[Bat]

Well, Catholics are a minority. When Christians as a group are discussed in a US context, people do not generally mean Catholics (hell, the Pope was against the war in Iraq).

 

[marko]

96% reporting in Ohio, bush ahead 123,000. It is over. CNN just needs to call it already.

 

[The Shadow]

You really have to blame the DNC and whomever else packaged Kerry. I mean here was a president that was absolutely hated by so many yet they could not find a way to beat him. I'm sure many of us could have done a much much better job on Kerry's campaign. How stupid do you have to be to lose a campaign to Dubya? Dubya of all people?

I agree with this to a point. Kerry wasn't aggressive enough IMO. He didn't defend the whole "Flip-Flop" thing well enough. He didn't attack the Swift boat vet accusations aggressively enough. With or without McCain's help, he should have aired previous Bush ads that attacked McCain in a similar manner and addressed the whole character assassination issues. He didn't do this aggressively enough.

Another thing you have to remember is that voter turnout was fantastic this election and Bush is getting a huge lead on the popular vote. That means that it wasn't simply the DNC's fault or that Kerry was a shoe-in. I suspect the appeal to the religious right got them out to vote more than Kerry's appeal to the younger more liberal crowed. That's what did him in.

 

[fse]

So what's the Democrat's strategy for 2008?

Kerry's second term.

 

[GG-Duo]

Again, would Jesus support the war in Iraq?

Something has gone wrong here.

 

[alejob]

Howard Dean 2008?
Who else is there?

I'm not Democrat I just think Republicans are stupid

 

[Grizzlyjin]

If Kerry wins, I'll scream in the streets. If Bush wins, I'll scream in the streets. So I'm going to yell at the top of my lungs no matter what happens.

 

[soundwave05]

But the Catholic Church is the "true" church or the foundation of modern Christainity.

 

[nathkenn]

I can't believe so many of you guys are giving up. Hell...we lost Iowa and NM it looks like. That only puts Bush at 261.

Nevada, NH, Wisc, Mich were all going kerry last time I checked.

It comes down to Ohio. Kerry I guess has it under 100,000. There are 150,000 + provisional ballots. Plus absentee and who knows.

We can do this...we can win. Don't give up. Get out there and demand the truth. Protest the outcome of the election.

Hell, Kerry just got NH!

We can do this. Ohio can be ours.

win or lose, i've lost hope because so many idiots voted for bush, it really scares me that people can be this unbelievable

 

[Phoenix]

I can't believe so many of you guys are giving up. Hell...we lost Iowa and NM it looks like. That only puts Bush at 261.

Nevada, NH, Wisc, Mich were all going kerry last time I checked.

Check again. NV is 50-49 with 56% reporting. That's going to be another close one but is leaning bush.

 

[Kon Tiki]

I can't believe so many of you guys are giving up. Hell...we lost Iowa and NM it looks like. That only puts Bush at 261.

Nevada, NH, Wisc, Mich were all going kerry last time I checked.

It comes down to Ohio. Kerry I guess has it under 100,000. There are 150,000 + provisional ballots. Plus absentee and who knows.

We can do this...we can win. Don't give up. Get out there and demand the truth. Protest the outcome of the election.

Hell, Kerry just got NH!

We can do this. Ohio can be ours.

Bush has Nev, NM, Iowa and Ohio.

 

[fse]

Kerry in the end will win!

 

[Pochacco]

You guys gotta stop blaming religion.
Gather your facts before finding a scapegoat.

 

[Gahiggidy]

Win would have been bigger too if it wasn't for those WHACKED exit polls showing Kerry winning EVERYTHING. Trust me, the Bush supporters I know were seriously bummed out when they got wind of those very bad BC04 exit poll results.

 

[pestul]

Obama 2008!!

At least he got by the obvious name association..

 

[soundwave05]

I would think Hillary Clinton (ugh) will probably run in 2008.

Obama is a great candidate though. Really strong, down to earth.