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Official "Final Presidential Debate of 2004" Thread

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MIMIC

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I hate using the word "official," but oh well. :)

Where: Tempe, Arizona - Arizona State's Gammage Auditorium

When: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 9 p.m. ET

Central Topic: Domestic Issues

Where To Watch: All news stations

Live Feeds: CNN.com, MSNBC.com, and C-Span.org (more links to be offered when they become available).


•First Presidential Debate Transcript (September 30th)
•Second Presidential Debate Transcript (October 8th)
•Third and Final Presidential Debate (October 13th)

Tonight's debate will be moderated by Bob Schieffer of CBS News.

Joke of debate #1 "You forgot Poland!"
Joke of debate #2: "Need some wood?"/"...rumors on the Internets."
Joke of debate #3: Bush's verbal form of entertainment currently unavailable. Check after the debate.

Pre-Debate News:

Bush, Kerry arm themselves for final debate (MSNBC)
Bush, Kerry near final debate (CNN)
Round Three Coming for Bush, Kerry (FOX News)
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
You should add what tonights topic is: Domestic Issues

Hey that's Bushs' strongest topic!
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
Diablos said:
I trust you are being sarcastic

Most definitely. ;)

But as Bush supporters say... hey we haven't been hit again since 911!

Seemingly discounting the fact that we hadn't been hit before that since... well since what the Oklahoma? umm the previous WTC attempted bombing? etc?
 

Diablos

Member
Yeah these people don't realize that terrorists strike when we do not expect it. When the fucking bar goes up to neon pink or some shit, they know everyone is staying at home instead of going out. Well, not everyone, but you get the idea.
 

Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
You should add what tonight’s topic is: Domestic Issues

Hey that's Bush’s' strongest topic!

Actually, most people think Bush won the second half of last debate so there is no sarcasm needed.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
Cooter said:
Actually, most people think Bush won the second half of last debate so there is no sarcasm needed.

Do you really want to be in another political thread you've been getting beat up quite alot in the ones I've seen...
 

MIMIC

Banned
Cooter said:
Actually, most people think Bush won the second half of last debate so there is no sarcasm needed.

I thought Bush was faring better in the first quarter of the debate. It all went downhill from there.
 

Jim Bowie

Member
But as Bush supporters say... hey we haven't been hit again since 911!

By that same accord, we haven't had any huge earthquakes during his administration. I want a president that can fend off earthquakes.
 

xsarien

daedsiluap
Jim Bowie said:
By that same accord, we haven't had any huge earthquakes during his administration. I want a president that can fend off earthquakes.

He's too busy fending off invasions from Mars.
 

Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
Do you really want to be in another political thread you've been getting beat up quite alot in the ones I've seen...

Being outnumber 10 to 1 doesn't translate to getting beat up IMO.

It just means those in the majority feel validated in their opinions at my expense.

Fifteen to twenty percent of the American population describe themselves as “liberal” where as I’d say that number is quadrupled in this form. This place is hardly a representative sample of the electorate.
 
xsarien said:
He's too busy fending off invasions from Mars.

This is why we must reinstitute the STAR WARS program! The empire could strike at any moment.

And why Heston MUST have guns -- we must preemptively strike at the apes before they can disarm us!
 

Jim Bowie

Member
Cooter said:
Fifteen to twenty percent of the American population describe themselves as “liberal” where as I’d say that number is quadrupled in this forum. This place is hardly a representative sample of the electorate.

They must be using one of the other internets.
 

xsarien

daedsiluap
Joke of debate #1 "You forgot Poland!"
Joke of debate #2: "Need some wood?"
Joke of debate #3: Bush's verbal form of entertainment currently unavailable. Check after the debate.

My only reason to watch.
 

MIMIC

Banned
Diablos said:
Yeah these people don't realize that terrorists strike when we do not expect it. When the fucking bar goes up to neon pink or some shit, they know everyone is staying at home instead of going out. Well, not everyone, but you get the idea.

I don't think al-Qaeda is in any kind of hurry, anyway. 9/11 did enough damage to last for 5 more years.
 
"When a drug comes in from Canada, I wanna make sure it cures ya, not kill ya... I've got an obligation to make sure our government does everything we can to protect you. And one - my worry is that it looks like it's from Canada, and it might be from a third world."

capt.sge.qsw59.091004205516.photo00.default-380x305.jpg
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
If Bush is concerned about drugs from Canada does that mean we're finally gonna invade Canada?
 

DrLazy

Member
That quote rocks.

However I think this last debate will be a lot closer than people think. Domestic issues also mean SOCIAL ISSUES like Abortion and Gay marriage, something I think makes Bush look resolute and Kerry look foolish.
 

alejob

Member
LOL! This thread is funny already and Bush hasn't even opened his mouth.


Its stickified, good now if only we can get everyone up here instead of them making new threads down there.
 
DrLazy said:
However I think this last debate will be a lot closer than people think. Domestic issues also mean SOCIAL ISSUES like Abortion and Gay marriage, something I think makes Bush look resolute and Kerry look foolish.
I thought that exchange last time made Bush look like a dope... maybe it's my Kerry-colored-glasses.

(I'm trimming their responses down...)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bush: "I signed the partial-birth -- the ban on partial-birth abortion. It's a brutal practice. It's one way to help reduce abortions. My opponent voted against the ban."

----

Kerry: "Well, again, the president just said, categorically, my opponent is against this, my opponent is against that. You know, it's just not that simple. No, I'm not.

I'm against the partial-birth abortion, but you've got to have an exception for the life of the mother and the health of the mother under the strictest test of bodily injury to the mother."

----

BUSH: "Well, it's pretty simple when they say: Are you for a ban on partial birth abortion? Yes or no?

And he was given a chance to vote, and he voted no. And that's just the way it is. That's a vote. It came right up. It's clear for everybody to see. And as I said: You can run but you can't hide the reality."

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Kerry made a point about how the world isn't black and white, and Bush came back with, "Yes it is." WTF.
 

xsarien

daedsiluap
If Dubya says "You can run, but you can't hide..." one more time, I'm going to throw a brick at my TV.

Banjo Tango said:
Kerry made a point about how the world isn't black and white, and Bush came back with, "Yes it is." WTF.

Pretty much the exact discussion I tend to have with conservative friends of mine.
 
DrLazy said:
However I think this last debate will be a lot closer than people think. Domestic issues also mean SOCIAL ISSUES like Abortion and Gay marriage, something I think makes Bush look resolute and Kerry look foolish.

I think the best Bush can hope for is to do as well as he did in the 2nt debate. But the style of the debate is back to the first, where they're behind podiums and quizzed. Bush did much better in the free-wheeling town hall style, and I'm not so sure he'll do as well here. This could easily lead to him losing his cool again; making faces and saying stuff like "I know that!".
 

MIMIC

Banned
BREAKING!! Debate questions LEAKED!!

Debate Questions Leaked, CBS Denies Internet Rumors
(2004-10-13) -- Questions allegedly drafted by CBS reporter Bob Schieffer for tonight's final presidential debate of 2004 were accidentally emailed to Mr. Schieffer's "buddy list" then forwarded to a blogger who leaked them to the public.

CBS immediately disavowed the questions and refused to launch an internal investigation to discover the cause of the leak. Nevertheless, internet rumors persist that the following questions on domestic policy are among those Mr. Schieffer plans to ask President George Bush and John Forbes Kerry, who is also a U.S. Senator.

To Kerry: Sen. Kerry, if an American earns more than $200,000 per year, and has $35,000 more than he needs to pay his bills: What should he do with the extra money? Choose the alternative which is best for America:
a) Spend it on a new Chrysler Crossfire.
b) Hire a new employee for his business.
c) Invest it in a stock mutual fund.
d) Send it to the Internal Revenue Service so President Kerry can use it to help people whose lives were ruined by the Bush administration.

To Bush: Mr. President, of all the mistakes you have made in the White House, which one made you look most stupid and unfit to be president?

To Kerry: Since your healthcare plan (available at JohnKerry.com) is not a federal government takeover of one-seventh of the U.S. economy, what hope can you really offer to save us from this horrendous crisis?

To Bush: After you leave the White House in January 2005, do you think you'll return to your privileged life of leisure or will you team up with former vice president Cheney to make confiscatory profits in the oil industry?

To Kerry: Given your failure, during two decades in the senate, to introduce legislation to provide healthcare for all Americans, tell us about your most heroic moment in combat in Vietnam?

To Bush: With your administration's track record of demanding accountability from public schools, does it ever embarrass you or the First Lady that you look so much like a chimpanzee?

To Kerry: As president, what will you do to ensure that Americans don't squander their opportunity to retire in luxury on Social Security?

To Bush: Mr. President, what's that thing on your back, under your jacket?

To Kerry: Sen. Kerry, since you're a child of privilege who attended private schools and married a wealthy heiress, does it shock you that President Bush lacks your sense of compassion for hard-working middle Americans?

To Bush: What's your favorite feature of Sen. Kerry's plan?

:lol
 

bob_arctor

Tough_Smooth
Banjo Tango said:
I thought that exchange last time made Bush look like a dope... maybe it's my Kerry-colored-glasses.

(I'm trimming their responses down...)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bush: "I signed the partial-birth -- the ban on partial-birth abortion. It's a brutal practice. It's one way to help reduce abortions. My opponent voted against the ban."

----

Kerry: "Well, again, the president just said, categorically, my opponent is against this, my opponent is against that. You know, it's just not that simple. No, I'm not.

I'm against the partial-birth abortion, but you've got to have an exception for the life of the mother and the health of the mother under the strictest test of bodily injury to the mother."

----

BUSH: "Well, it's pretty simple when they say: Are you for a ban on partial birth abortion? Yes or no?

And he was given a chance to vote, and he voted no. And that's just the way it is. That's a vote. It came right up. It's clear for everybody to see. And as I said: You can run but you can't hide the reality."

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Kerry made a point about how the world isn't black and white, and Bush came back with, "Yes it is." WTF.

This is EXACTLY what had me so pissed off after the debate. Who the fuck thinks things are that cut-and-dry? What person with any inkling of common sense or a shred of logic really believes this??

I also agree Kerry made Bush look like an idiot when he mentioned that he wouldn't force a 16 year old daughter raped and impregnated by her own father to tell him that she's about to have an abortion.<<<<<<<That ain't so muthafuckin' simple, now is it, Mr.President?
 
"The truth of that matter is, if you listen carefully, Saddam would still be in power if he were the president of the United States, and the world would be a lot better off."

- George W. Bush, second presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004

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i believe kerry will win the debate if and only if he sticks to dishing out facts, highlighting his plans, and alerting the nation of bush's failures.

if the debate turns into a social commentary, bush wins easily. kerry must criticize bush and his administration to the point of repetition. it has to stick, it must.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
xsarien said:
If Dubya says "You can run, but you can't hide..." one more time, I'm going to throw a brick at my TV.

He has to, he can't say Wrong War, Wrong Place, Wrong Time, etc. anymore..
 

MIMIC

Banned
heavy liquid said:
"The truth of that matter is, if you listen carefully, Saddam would still be in power if he were the president of the United States, and the world would be a lot better off."

- George W. Bush, second presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004

r3610102088.jpg

:lol They take some funny ass pictures


Here's one they missed:

bush_protectingmyass.jpg
 
Debate Questions Leaked, CBS Denies Internet Rumors
by Scott Ott
(2004-10-13) -- Questions allegedly drafted by CBS reporter Bob Schieffer for tonight's final presidential debate of 2004 were accidentally emailed to Mr. Schieffer's "buddy list" then forwarded to a blogger who leaked them to the public.

CBS immediately disavowed the questions and refused to launch an internal investigation to discover the cause of the leak. Nevertheless, internet rumors persist that the following questions on domestic policy are among those Mr. Schieffer plans to ask President George Bush and John Forbes Kerry, who is also a U.S. Senator.

To Kerry: Sen. Kerry, if an American earns more than $200,000 per year, and has $35,000 more than he needs to pay his bills: What should he do with the extra money? Choose the alternative which is best for America:
a) Spend it on a new Chrysler Crossfire.
b) Hire a new employee for his business.
c) Invest it in a stock mutual fund.
d) Send it to the Internal Revenue Service so President Kerry can use it to help people whose lives were ruined by the Bush administration.

To Bush: Mr. President, of all the mistakes you have made in the White House, which one made you look most stupid and unfit to be president?

To Kerry: Since your healthcare plan (available at JohnKerry.com) is not a federal government takeover of one-seventh of the U.S. economy, what hope can you really offer to save us from this horrendous crisis?

To Bush: After you leave the White House in January 2005, do you think you'll return to your privileged life of leisure or will you team up with former vice president Cheney to make confiscatory profits in the oil industry?

To Kerry: Given your failure, during two decades in the senate, to introduce legislation to provide healthcare for all Americans, tell us about your most heroic moment in combat in Vietnam?

To Bush: With your administration's track record of demanding accountability from public schools, does it ever embarrass you or the First Lady that you look so much like a chimpanzee?

To Kerry: As president, what will you do to ensure that Americans don't squander their opportunity to retire in luxury on Social Security?

To Bush: Mr. President, what's that thing on your back, under your jacket?

To Kerry: Sen. Kerry, since you're a child of privilege who attended private schools and married a wealthy heiress, does it shock you that President Bush lacks your sense of compassion for hard-working middle Americans?

To Bush: What's your favorite feature of Sen. Kerry's plan?


http://www.scrappleface.com/
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
CrimsonSkies said:
I can't wait to hear Kerry's two positions tonight.

kerry-two-face.jpg

this is funny.. because it is impossible to be for the general idea of something, and against specific parts of its application.
 

Socreges

Banned
StoOgE said:
this is funny.. because it is impossible to be for the general idea of something, and against specific parts of its application.
Bush and his administration realize this, I'm sure. So they can be excused for trying to exploit people's naivety and stupidity. Such as CrimsonSkies and countless others.
 
So who want's to take bets on how long it will take either opponet to say 9/11, Terrorism, or Iraq.

I'm saying it will take no longer than 8 min
 
Tommie Hu$tle said:
So who want's to take bets on how long it will take either opponet to say 9/11, Terrorism, or Iraq.

I'm saying it will take no longer than 8 min

8 seems like a long time. I bet within the first 3 questions one of them will say "Iraq." Unless it's 8 minutes of the program as opposed to 8 minutes of debate. It'll be "Economy," then "IRAQ! Economy." Or domestic security.
 
Oh lord, one of the crowd signs behind the MSNBC table during their pre-debate coverage read "Bush Killed Superman". I'm going to hell for laughing at that.
 

xsarien

daedsiluap
Anybody catch the CNN coverage?
In the crowd behind Wolf Blitzer about ten minutes ago, there was sign that said:

WMD?
WTF?

I nearly choked on my rice.
 

cvxfreak

Member
Just saw the ABC pre-coverage, and they played a documentary on the Russian terror attacks. So sad. :(

Anyway... hope this debate seals the deal for undecided voters.
 
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