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Official "I need a new PC!!" 2009 Edition

Coldsnap

Member
quick question about Bluetooth mice: Hows the technology on these now adays? Whats the good bluetooth mice available? I'm thinking of when I buy a laptop to make sure it has bluetooth so I don't occupy a USB port with a IR wireless dongle for my mouse.
 
I'm looking to upgrade my PC a bit but I'm not sure if it's worth it to just wait until I can build a brand new one. Here's my specs:


> Mainboard : Acer F690GVM

> Chipset : AMD RS690/RS690M

> Processor : AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ @ 2100 MHz

> Physical Memory : 3072 MB (3 x 1024 DDR2-SDRAM )

> Video Card : NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT (Microsoft Corporation - WDDM v1.1)

> Hard Disk : ST3250820AS (250 GB)

> DVD-Rom Drive : Optiarc DVD RW AD-7170S ATA Device

I don't have too much of a problem running the games that I want but a bit of a boost in games like Mirror's Edge and Fallout 3 as well as some upcoming releases would be great.

What do you guys think?
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
so i haven't owned a desktop in like ten years. what's the word on keeping it on now? i have a wireless usb kbm so i'll have to charge those. is just leaving it on hibernate ok?
 
AstroLad said:
so i haven't owned a desktop in like ten years. what's the word on keeping it on now? i have a wireless usb kbm so i'll have to charge those. is just leaving it on hibernate ok?
As far as I know, yes. Hibernate only consumes about 10% of power compared to when it is left on. Which is pretty good. It may even be less at this point. But Windows 7 starts up so quickly that there is very little difference with slight startup maintenance. I <3 it.
 

Minsc

Gold Member
Befragen19 said:
As far as I know, yes. Hibernate only consumes about 10% of power compared to when it is left on. Which is pretty good. It may even be less at this point. But Windows 7 starts up so quickly that there is very little difference with slight startup maintenance. I <3 it.

Hibernate should consume no power. I can put my computer to hibernate, then unplug all the cables, move it, and reconnect the cables, and come out of hibernate with no problems.

MWS Natural said:
Thanks I read that but wasn't entirely sure. Two 60 or 80GB SSD's should be enough then.

The other benefit of RAID 0 SSDs is they scale almost perfectly, the drive will be almost exactly twice as fast, as if a normal SSD wasn't already enough :D

Probably make more sense to just do 1 SSD, and then RAID 0 two fast mechanical drives, and end up with a ton of fast storage. I'm only running a 20 gig partition on my XP drive, hard to imagine I'd need more than 60 with Windows 7.
 

Rimshot

Member
I am on the lookout for a new screen and it is standing between Benq G2411HD & G2412HD.

The only difference I see is that 2411 is 24" and 2412" is 23,6". Now my question then is why is the smaller one more expensive (just 20 USD) and why are people buying the smaller one a whole lot more when it is more expensive and it seems to be the same in every other aspect?
 

Nos_G

Member
Looks like the G2412HD has DVI and HDMI inputs adding to the additional cost.
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Hmm... okay, so I've been out of the game for quite some time in regards to following PC technology (I've just used consoles for gaming and laptops for productivity). However, the fiance has complained that my laptop (her's is broke) is too slow for PhotoShop use. "Let's get a newer, faster PC... and I think I'd rather have a desktop." To which I replied "let's do it!"

However, the P4 was cutting edge the last time I cared about PC technology. And even given that, I've never actually built a PC. For being a lifelong nerd, this is a sad fact that I need to rectify before I die. So, after skimming this thread and other forums, I put together this rough first pass when I should have been working. I'm sure there's some dumb/wrong choices in there, so any help (especially suggestions for shaving the cost down a tad without sacrificing too much quality) would be most appreciated. These are all from NewEgg. If my formatting sucks, let me know.

1. LG 22X DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model GH22LS50 LightScribe Support - OEM
Item #: N82E16827136168 - $27.99

2. Antec Sonata Elite Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retai
Item #: N82E16811129057 $99.99 -$10.00 Instant = $89.99

3. Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822136319 $74.99

4. LG W2353V-PF Black 23" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Full HD 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail
Item #: N82E16824005125 $249.99 -$40.00 Instant = $209.99

5. GIGABYTE GV-R487D5-1GD Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814125256 $169.99

6. Rosewill Green Series RG700-S12 700W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power ... - Retail
Item #: N82E16817182191 $99.99 -$20.00 Instant = $79.99

7. G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL7D-4GBPI - Retail
Item #: N82E16820231200 $64.99

8 & 9. AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ955FBGIBOX - Retail
Item #: N82E16819103674

ASUS M4A79T Deluxe AM3 DDR3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813131363

$454.99 -$60.00 Instant -$85.00 Combo $309.99

10. Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116677 $109.99

11. Microsoft Gift - Windows 7 Release Candidate 1 x64 64-Bit - OEM
Item #: N82E16800996054 $0.00

Subtotal: $1,137.91
 
Legjend said:
I'm looking to upgrade my PC a bit but I'm not sure if it's worth it to just wait until I can build a brand new one. Here's my specs:


> Mainboard : Acer F690GVM

> Chipset : AMD RS690/RS690M

> Processor : AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ @ 2100 MHz

> Physical Memory : 3072 MB (3 x 1024 DDR2-SDRAM )

> Video Card : NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT (Microsoft Corporation - WDDM v1.1)

> Hard Disk : ST3250820AS (250 GB)

> DVD-Rom Drive : Optiarc DVD RW AD-7170S ATA Device

I don't have too much of a problem running the games that I want but a bit of a boost in games like Mirror's Edge and Fallout 3 as well as some upcoming releases would be great.

What do you guys think?

A GPU upgrade (to say a 4870) and a modest CPU overclock would give you a huge boost in gaming performance.
 
Steve,

Why not take the windows disk out of the purchase and just download yourself windows 7 RC and then buy a fancy copy of Win7 when it releases? Also you can get yourself a triple core cpu to save yourself some money (you may even be able to unlock the 4th core)
 
Steve Youngblood said:
Hmm... okay, so I've been out of the game for quite some time in regards to following PC technology (I've just used consoles for gaming and laptops for productivity). However, the fiance has complained that my laptop (her's is broke) is too slow for PhotoShop use. "Let's get a newer, faster PC... and I think I'd rather have a desktop." To which I replied "let's do it!"

However, the P4 was cutting edge the last time I cared about PC technology. And even given that, I've never actually built a PC. For being a lifelong nerd, this is a sad fact that I need to rectify before I die. So, after skimming this thread and other forums, I put together this rough first pass when I should have been working. I'm sure there's some dumb/wrong choices in there, so any help (especially suggestions for shaving the cost down a tad without sacrificing too much quality) would be most appreciated. These are all from NewEgg. If my formatting sucks, let me know.

1. LG 22X DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model GH22LS50 LightScribe Support - OEM
Item #: N82E16827136168 - $27.99

2. Antec Sonata Elite Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retai
Item #: N82E16811129057 $99.99 -$10.00 Instant = $89.99

3. Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822136319 $74.99

4. LG W2353V-PF Black 23" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Full HD 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail
Item #: N82E16824005125 $249.99 -$40.00 Instant = $209.99

5. GIGABYTE GV-R487D5-1GD Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814125256 $169.99

6. Rosewill Green Series RG700-S12 700W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power ... - Retail
Item #: N82E16817182191 $99.99 -$20.00 Instant = $79.99

7. G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL7D-4GBPI - Retail
Item #: N82E16820231200 $64.99

8 & 9. AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ955FBGIBOX - Retail
Item #: N82E16819103674

ASUS M4A79T Deluxe AM3 DDR3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813131363

$454.99 -$60.00 Instant -$85.00 Combo $309.99

10. Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116677 $109.99

11. Microsoft Gift - Windows 7 Release Candidate 1 x64 64-Bit - OEM
Item #: N82E16800996054 $0.00

Subtotal: $1,137.91

Check out my $800 PC config in the other thread for a good recommendation, though it looks like you're on the right sort of lines there. A x4 940 '+ DDR2 saves you a wad of cash without sacrificing any of the performance. You can get a 4890 at that sort of pricerange and the PSU you chose is trash.
 
TouchMyBox said:
Why not take the windows disk out of the purchase and just download yourself windows 7 RC and then buy a fancy copy of Win7 when it releases?
Well, it is supposed to come with the free upgrade. Am I better off just waiting and buying Windows 7 when it comes out?
 
Steve Youngblood said:
Well, it is supposed to come with the free upgrade. Am I better off just waiting and buying Windows 7 when it comes out?

No, install RC now and buy the $50 upgrade preorder dealy. Cheaper and you get access to 7 now.
 
So these will be a good substitutes for the aforementioned suggestions (also ditched Vista OEM):

1. OCZ Reaper HPC Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2RPR800C44GK - Retail
Item #: N82E16820227267 - $59.99 - $15.00 Instant = $44.99

2 & 3. AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor Model HDZ940XCGIBOX - Retail
Item #: N82E16819103471

BIOSTAR TA790GXB A2+ AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813138143 $299.98 - $25.00 Instant -$79.99 Combo = $194.99

4. Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE ... - Retail
Item #: N82E16817371021 $139.99 -$40.00 Instant = $99.99

Brings the total to $912.92.
 
My (somewhat) new system

MOBO: Gigabyte GA-MA790XT-UD4P
CPU: AMD Phenom II X3 720
HS: Arctic Cooling Freezer Pro 64
RAM: G.Skill 4GB DDR3 1333
Video Card: Geforce 9600 GSO
Hard Drives: Seagate-160GB and Maxtor 200GB SATA
Optical Drive: Lite-on DVD-ROM/CD-RW, Sony DVD-RW
PSU: Enermax FMA II 535W


The bolded are the new parts. The rest I transfered( or recycled) from my previous machine.
I overclocked the CPU to 3Ghz...I guess its just a minor overclock. So I need a bigger hard drive and a video upgrade as well. I'm only running WinXP SP3, but I'll give Windows 7 a try when I get a new hard drive.

This minor upgrade cost me $380. I got the CPU+Mobo for $264 from NCIX.
 

TheExodu5

Banned
Steve Youngblood said:
So these will be a good substitutes for the aforementioned suggestions (also ditched Vista OEM):

1. OCZ Reaper HPC Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2RPR800C44GK - Retail
Item #: N82E16820227267 - $59.99 - $15.00 Instant = $44.99

2 & 3. AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor Model HDZ940XCGIBOX - Retail
Item #: N82E16819103471

BIOSTAR TA790GXB A2+ AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813138143 $299.98 - $25.00 Instant -$79.99 Combo = $194.99

4. Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE ... - Retail
Item #: N82E16817371021 $139.99 -$40.00 Instant = $99.99

Brings the total to $912.92.

Looking really good. I like the switch to X4 940, DDR2, and the Antec PSU.

Given your original budget, may I suggest the upgrade to the HD 4890?

MSI HD 4890 -> $199 - $30 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127427

If you don't want to deal with MIR and want a better warranty:

XFX HD 4890
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127427

Here's another fantastic deal as well, this time for a GTX 275:

XFX GTX 275 - with free FarCry 2 and CoD: World at War
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150387

If you're interested in FC2 and CoD:WaW, I'd definitely recommend that GTX 275 over the HD 4890.
 
Steve:

Definitely upgrade to the 4890. You will not regret it.



Speaking of the 4890, has anyone read about any aftermarket cooling being made specifically for it? The reference fan on the thing can get pretty loud playing Crysis. I know that the cooling solutions for the 4870 will fit, but I've read some accounts of others doing that and their VRM temps going through the roof. I don't want to deal with the workarounds for this (leaving the stock fan holder on, etc..) if I can help it.
 
TheExodu5 said:
Here's another fantastic deal as well, this time for a GTX 275:

XFX GTX 275 - with free FarCry 2 and CoD: World at War
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150387

If you're interested in FC2 and CoD:WaW, I'd definitely recommend that GTX 275 over the HD 4890.
If I'm only mildly intrigued (I say mildly because I already have World at War for the 360, and had considered, but never pulled the trigger on FarCry 2) which is the better card?
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
My computer has been sitting at Fedex for two days. I guess it's not "scheduled for delivery" until tomorrow. And I have my new monitor, kb, mouse, speakers, etc. all sitting at home ready to go. Bastards.
 
Steve Youngblood said:
So these will be a good substitutes for the aforementioned suggestions (also ditched Vista OEM):

1. OCZ Reaper HPC Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2RPR800C44GK - Retail
Item #: N82E16820227267 - $59.99 - $15.00 Instant = $44.99

2 & 3. AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor Model HDZ940XCGIBOX - Retail
Item #: N82E16819103471

BIOSTAR TA790GXB A2+ AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813138143 $299.98 - $25.00 Instant -$79.99 Combo = $194.99

4. Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE ... - Retail
Item #: N82E16817371021 $139.99 -$40.00 Instant = $99.99

Brings the total to $912.92.

That motherboard's shitty, get something from ASUS or Gigabyte.

The 4890 and 275 are quite similar though the 3890 tends to edge it. nHancer with its easy profile manager and extra IQ options would perhaps swing it for me, but not everyone is bothered about stuff like that.

COD: WAW is a much better game on PC ofcourse, so its not a total waste. 600p can be pretty damn grating once you're used to native 1080p but it doesn't bother everyone so its upto you.

Edit: Holy shit! Didn't realise it was $195 for the pair. Yeah, it'll more than suffice at that price. Crazy.

That PSU is nice but a little pricey for something that isn't modular. If you've no plans for dual GPUs (and its not something I recommend) you could actuall have your PSU sorted for $40 after rebate:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341016

That's both modular and 80+ so it'll likely suit you better in the short-medium term.
 

TheExodu5

Banned
Steve Youngblood said:
If I'm only mildly intrigued (I say mildly because I already have World at War for the 360, and had considered, but never pulled the trigger on FarCry 2) which is the better card?

Honestly, they're pretty darned equivalent. The HD 4890 is better in some games, and the GTX 275 is better in others. However, I'm more partial to NVidia myself for the (usually) better driver support, and the fact that it's performance seems to be a bit more stable accross games (probably due to the TWIMTBP thing). Also you get PhysX support, but I usually disable that myself. The only two games where the HD 4890 seems to have problems with are The Last Remnant and Far Cry 2. Not really a huge deal if you don't plan on playing those two.
 
brain_stew said:
Edit: Holy shit! Didn't realise it was $195 for the pair. Yeah, it'll more than suffice at that price. Crazy.

That PSU is nice but a little pricey for something that isn't modular. If you've no plans for dual GPUs (and its not something I recommend) you could actuall have your PSU sorted for $40 after rebate:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341016

That's both modular and 80+ so it'll likely suit you better in the short-medium term.
So I shouldn't worry about upgrading to a different motherboard? I just selected this one because of the combo deal, but if it IS shitty then I don't mind ponying up a little more cash.

Thanks guys!
 
Steve Youngblood said:
So I shouldn't worry about upgrading to a different motherboard? I just selected this one because of the combo deal, but if it IS shitty then I don't mind ponying up a little more cash.

Thanks guys!

Biostar are just generally a lower tier, there's nothing inherantly wrong with that motherboard. You quite literally get it for free with that combo, so you'd be crazy to go with anything else, its based on the same chipset as any of the other boards so nothing much to worry about really.
 

TheExodu5

Banned
Steve Youngblood said:
So I shouldn't worry about upgrading to a different motherboard? I just selected this one because of the combo deal, but if it IS shitty then I don't mind ponying up a little more cash.

Thanks guys!

I'm sure it can't be that bad. I'd only worry about it if you plan on OC'ing. That's a smoking deal.
 
Minsc said:
Hibernate should consume no power. I can put my computer to hibernate, then unplug all the cables, move it, and reconnect the cables, and come out of hibernate with no problems.



The other benefit of RAID 0 SSDs is they scale almost perfectly, the drive will be almost exactly twice as fast, as if a normal SSD wasn't already enough :D

Probably make more sense to just do 1 SSD, and then RAID 0 two fast mechanical drives, and end up with a ton of fast storage. I'm only running a 20 gig partition on my XP drive, hard to imagine I'd need more than 60 with Windows 7.

My plan is to take out my current 1TB drive and move it into a NAS box then put in two 32 or 64GB SSD's (RAID 0) in there as my main drive. I want the OS and all apps on the main drive so I need atleast 80GB minimum.
 
Just scored a Dell XPS desktop with:

i7 920
4GB Ram
640GB HDD
Radeon 4850
Mouse & Keyboard n' stuff
DVD Burner
1 year in-home warranty


for.....$570! :D :lol

Dell Outlet FTW. I don't really even need a desktop, but who in their right mind passes on this?
 

yanhero

Member
Steve Youngblood said:
If I'm only mildly intrigued (I say mildly because I already have World at War for the 360, and had considered, but never pulled the trigger on FarCry 2) which is the better card?

If you want HDMI audio, you should get the 4890.
 
I really want to buy Anno 1404: Dawn of Discovery... looks like a great game. But I have been reading about horrible DRM, even on the Steam version. Is there any version of this game without this retarded DRM that limits to 3 installs and has a rootkit or whatever? Are people overreacting about it and it's nothing really to worry about?
 
So I'm really itching to finally get into modern-quality PC gaming (mainly to start clearing out my backlog of Steam weekend deals that my laptop can't do justice). But I can't really justify buying a full-blown new PC at the moment. I'm toying around with the idea of stripping the guts out of my HTPC and adding a cheap 4850 (or similar) to get something that should tide me over at least until Lynnfield and DX11.

The only potential setback is the processor, which is an Athlon X2 4050e (2.1 GHz). It's only a year old, but it was cheap and I bought it for low-power HTPC duties and not for gaming. I know it has no chance of handling CPU-heavy stuff like Arma II, but would it be okay for most average games?
 
TheExodu5 said:
I'm sure it can't be that bad. I'd only worry about it if you plan on OC'ing. That's a smoking deal.

Well it uses one of AMD's more premium chipsets, sure you'll be able to manage a decent enough OC out of it. You're getting the thing for free, its worth a little compromise.
 
rohlfinator said:
So I'm really itching to finally get into modern-quality PC gaming (mainly to start clearing out my backlog of Steam weekend deals that my laptop can't do justice). But I can't really justify buying a full-blown new PC at the moment. I'm toying around with the idea of stripping the guts out of my HTPC and adding a cheap 4850 (or similar) to get something that should tide me over at least until Lynnfield and DX11.

The only potential setback is the processor, which is an Athlon X2 4050e (2.1 GHz). It's only a year old, but it was cheap and I bought it for low-power HTPC duties and not for gaming. I know it has no chance of handling CPU-heavy stuff like Arma II, but would it be okay for most average games?

OC like crazy and it should manage even ARMA 2 just fine. Get 3ghz out of that thing and you're laughing.

Alternatively there's a very good chance the new Phenom iis will run on your motherboard, pick up X3 720 for $120 and you're laughing.

What's the model number of your motherboard?
 

DarthWoo

I'm glad Grandpa porked a Chinese Muslim
So I installed my shiny new GTX260, being delighted that I didn't have to actually remove a drive cage in the process, just had to move the drives around to accommodate it. It has definitely provided a great improvement, but there are some quirks that I'm concerned about. I know it seems like a silly waste to be playing with such a card, but I do still play a Ragnarok Online private server a lot, but now I find that it takes a lot longer to alt-tab out of it than it did with my 9600GT. I could probably just play windowed to save time, but it seems a bit of an odd issue.
 

K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
DarthWoo said:
So I installed my shiny new GTX260, being delighted that I didn't have to actually remove a drive cage in the process, just had to move the drives around to accommodate it. It has definitely provided a great improvement, but there are some quirks that I'm concerned about. I know it seems like a silly waste to be playing with such a card, but I do still play a Ragnarok Online private server a lot, but now I find that it takes a lot longer to alt-tab out of it than it did with my 9600GT. I could probably just play windowed to save time, but it seems a bit of an odd issue.
It might be a driver thing. I remember Mass Effect taking nearly three minutes to come back from alt-tabbing, until I changed driver versions. Are you using 186.18?
 

DarthWoo

I'm glad Grandpa porked a Chinese Muslim
K.Jack said:
It might be a driver thing. I remember Mass Effect taking nearly three minutes to come back from alt-tabbing, until I changed driver versions. Are you using 186.18?

Nope. Yeesh, I thought I installed 185.85 last month. Guess I'll try that, but it was fine under the previous versions either way.
 
Steve Youngblood said:
So these will be a good substitutes for the aforementioned suggestions (also ditched Vista OEM):

1. OCZ Reaper HPC Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2RPR800C44GK - Retail
Item #: N82E16820227267 - $59.99 - $15.00 Instant = $44.99

2 & 3. AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor Model HDZ940XCGIBOX - Retail
Item #: N82E16819103471

BIOSTAR TA790GXB A2+ AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813138143 $299.98 - $25.00 Instant -$79.99 Combo = $194.99

4. Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE ... - Retail
Item #: N82E16817371021 $139.99 -$40.00 Instant = $99.99

Brings the total to $912.92.

Try to update your build if you can, its all over the place at a moment and its a bit hard to keep up.

Comments on newegg with that motherboard are claiming for AM2+ chips you need a bios update. That'll be mighty interesting to do if you can't get the CPU working out of the gate. Honestly i'd avoid that land mine and just get this motherboard:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128387

Its tried and tested, works wonderfully. It can also be combo'd with a 940 here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.213790

Its not free but then when they are literally handing out free motherboards on newegg that rings warning bells.

You might as well get this RAM as well, its DDR2 8500 which is faster and cheaper to boot:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166

All you need for your setup is a high quality 500W PSU, anything more than that is a waste unless you want to go into Crossfire.

Also consider the Coolermaster 690 for your case selection, I much prefer it over what you picked out. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137

Steve Youngblood said:
If I'm only mildly intrigued (I say mildly because I already have World at War for the 360, and had considered, but never pulled the trigger on FarCry 2) which is the better card?

PC GAF overall recommends the 4890. The differences in performance are marginal. The 275 runs hotter/quieter/more energy draw whereas the 4890 is the exact opposite, being cooler, louder and being more energy efficient. The 275 is also a physically larger card.

Practically the 4890 is a significantly better overclocker, whereas the 275 enjoys having superior driver support. If you are looking for raw performance per dollar get a 4890.
 
brain_stew said:
OC like crazy and it should manage even ARMA 2 just fine. Get 3ghz out of that thing and you're laughing.

Alternatively there's a very good chance the new Phenom iis will run on your motherboard, pick up X3 720 for $120 and you're laughing.

What's the model number of your motherboard?
It's a Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H, AM2+ socket, so I'm pretty sure it'll take a Phenom II.

Right now I want to keep costs as minimal as possible, though. I'm planning to do a full upgrade within the year, so I don't want to buy anything that I won't reuse then. Right now I'm thinking I'll buy a case/PSU now, and get either the cheapest 4850 I can find (and swap it out later for a new DX11 card) or a 4890 (and hold on to it for longer). Once I have more stable finances, I'll probably upgrade to either a Lynnfield or a Phenom II X4, which is why I'm hesitant to commit to a cheaper Phenom II right now -- even though the 720 looks like a really nice value.

OCing is a good call though, thanks. I'm not sure I want to mess around with a third-party cooler yet, but it's a low-voltage processor so I could probably get a bit of an overclock on the stock cooler.
 

Yoboman

Member
For some reason whenever I launch a game on Windows 7 it's starting up in low resolution (1024x758), with settings on low and sometimes in a windowed display... This isn't normal is it? What kind of setting would be causing this?
 
TheHeretic: Thanks! I had not yet pulled the trigger.

Edit:

Here's an update of the cart following through on your recommnedations:

1. LG 22X DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model GH22LS50 LightScribe Support - OEM
Item #: N82E16827136168 - $27.99

2. COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Item #: N82E16811119137 - $84.99 -$5.00 Instant = $79.99

3. Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822136319 - $74.99

4. SAMSUNG 2343BWX High Glossy Black 23" 5ms 16:9 Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail
Item #: N82E16824001317 - $259.99 -$40.00 Instant = $219.99

5. XFX HD-489A-ZDFC Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814150359 - $249.99 -$50.00 Instant = $199.99

6. OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC ... - Retail
Item #: N82E16817341016a - $89.99 -$30.00 Instant = $59.99

7. G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK - Retail
Item #: N82E16820231166 - $59.99 -$10.00 Instant = $49.99

8 & 9. AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor Model HDZ940XCGIBOX - Retail
Item #: N82E16819103471

GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4P AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813128387 - $299.98 - 15.00 Instant - $35.00 Combo = $249.98

Total = $962.91
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
so my computer's waiting at home...whooooo

what do i need to do in terms of general maintenance? i have canned air that i used to use on my laptop every month or so. case is a coolermaster cosmos fwiw
 
Steve Youngblood said:
TheHeretic: Thanks! I had not yet pulled the trigger.

Fwiw, all the recent comments on that motherboard combo say its just fine. I'd still buy it personally. Looks like all recent stock has the latest firmware.
 

vg260

Member
What's a good amount of RAM nowadays? What are must-have and some future-proof amounts? What max capacity should I look for in a MB? Thanks.
 
2&2 said:
What's a good amount of RAM nowadays? What are must-have and some future-proof amounts? What max capacity should I look for in a MB? Thanks.

4GB or 6GB depending on whether your motherboard supports dual or triple channel memory.

If you're using RAM heavy applications then by all means go with 8GB.
 
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