brain_stew
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evil solrac v3.0 said:
A bunch of P55 and X58 do, yes.
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A bunch of P55 and X58 do, yes.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Well, you just have to be vigilant and check your order status and email a lot.Crunched said:
That's how I got my 5870. I ordered two different ones that were out of stock and quickly canceled the one that didn't ship first. Amazon doesn't charge you until the item ships.
Thinking about picking this up on black friday: http://bfads.net/HP-Laptop-AMD-Turion-Dual-Core-M500-6GB-RAM-320GB-HD-Windows-7-at-Best-Buy
I'm in need of a new laptop, and this one seems great for $600.
I'm in need of a new laptop, and this one seems great for $600.
drkOne
Member
So, just got my 2x2GB today, installed and now the computer restarts on the "Starting Windows" screen.
I had the same problem with the first kit I got, if I only put one in, it would work fine, if I inserted the other one, it would restart on boot. I thought it was a damaged stick so didn't give it much thought, and everything worked fine with one stick so I didn't mind (didn't want to spend any more time without PC, by returning and waiting for another kit).
Now, I installed the 2 new sticks, and it's all the same, BIOS detects the 4GB, but it restarts during boot.
Tried leaving only one, still restarts. Tried putting the old one alone, still restarts.
Any clue one what's the problem? Mobo is a Asus P5Q Pro P45, RAM I'm using are OCZ Gold Edition DDR2 6400.
I had the same problem with the first kit I got, if I only put one in, it would work fine, if I inserted the other one, it would restart on boot. I thought it was a damaged stick so didn't give it much thought, and everything worked fine with one stick so I didn't mind (didn't want to spend any more time without PC, by returning and waiting for another kit).
Now, I installed the 2 new sticks, and it's all the same, BIOS detects the 4GB, but it restarts during boot.
Tried leaving only one, still restarts. Tried putting the old one alone, still restarts.
Any clue one what's the problem? Mobo is a Asus P5Q Pro P45, RAM I'm using are OCZ Gold Edition DDR2 6400.
I'm finally able to get a new monitor today, and there are two that I'm looking at.
The first one is a 1080p 21.5'' ASUS: LINK
The second is a 1080p 23'' Acer: LINK
The Acer is actually cheaper for me (184 vs. 186) because of free shipping, but 186 is the absolute tops I can spend (including tax/shipping, which living in California, tax fucking sucks). They both seem to be pretty good at what they do, but the Acer has over 500 reviews, while the ASUS has 29. I plan to use it with my PC, obviously, but I really want it so I can use it with my PS3. Both have HDMI and HDCP support, so I should be covered there, right? I think my biggest problem is the Acer doesn't have internal speakers, so how would I get sound? Thanks again GAF for any help!
The first one is a 1080p 21.5'' ASUS: LINK
The second is a 1080p 23'' Acer: LINK
The Acer is actually cheaper for me (184 vs. 186) because of free shipping, but 186 is the absolute tops I can spend (including tax/shipping, which living in California, tax fucking sucks). They both seem to be pretty good at what they do, but the Acer has over 500 reviews, while the ASUS has 29. I plan to use it with my PC, obviously, but I really want it so I can use it with my PS3. Both have HDMI and HDCP support, so I should be covered there, right? I think my biggest problem is the Acer doesn't have internal speakers, so how would I get sound? Thanks again GAF for any help!
Yeah, probably have more of a solid chance with a preorder. I don't like the idea that I may get charged for two of these cards, though. I'll try holding out.Rentahamster said:
Just ordered this from amazon. Bought the $244 one with free shipping. I've been told it won't get here til after Christmas, so I'm in no hurry :lol
Looks like sapphire 5850s are in stock at newegg right now. I'm going to regret not jumping on one, I know it D;
Aaaaaaand it's gone.
arts&crafts
Member
KillerAJD said:
Plug in headphones or speakers? I don't think I have ever owned a monitor with internal speakers, seems like it takes an element away from the game (good sound).
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I had an issue on my new build. My rear panel doesn't line up correctly with the motherboard, blocking the sound ports and some USB ports. I have an Antec 902 and a Biostar T5 XE CFX-SLI. The risers lined up fine and they didn't seem any larger than normal risers. It's screwed in tight so I don't know what else to do.
Anyone else have a similar problem before?
Anyone else have a similar problem before?
anonymousAversa
Member
drkOne said:
This may sound obvious but make sure everything is CLEAN, one spot of dust can ruin things. This happened to me and I simply cleaned off the ram and the mobo and it worked
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Great thread. I will be throwing $600 at a new PC next month. This thread has been a good resource for research.
brain_stew
Member
KillerAJD said:
You really (like really, really) wouldn't want to be using those internal speakers anyway, they're basic laptop speakers, which means horrible tinny hell. The PS3's mult AV port will let you hook the audio upto any speaker setup/headphones you desire. I'd just go with the ACER seems perfect for your needs and you'll appreciate the bigger screen size in games.
brain_stew
Member
Kintaco said:
Is that just bog standard DDR RAM? If its DDR2 you could probably save some cash by getting something that'll let you reuse that.
hmm? $300, for a motherboard, CPU AND posibly RAM upgrade? Definitely go AM3 I'd say.
This combo is good value:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.293438
Then get 4GB of DDR3 and you're sorted.
Strapped for cash this is a nice way to save a little:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.293437
If you're willing to spend a little time OCing there's no reason performance should be any different, even if you don't its only going to be a ~5% difference anyway.
hello, i'm a starving college student who recently got a hold of an XFX Radeon HD 4650 with 1GB GDDR2 memory. my friend didn't want it anymore so he gave it to me for $40. although i've always been interested in computers and pc gaming, i've never built one before. i was hoping to get a little advice on how to build a computer around this graphics card. best cheapest mobo and cpu if possible, ideally taking advantage of any black friday/cyber monday deals coming up. thanks in advance!
brain_stew
Member
blehh said:
He ripped you off then, you can get a DDR3 4670 for that much after rebate and it'll be a good 50% faster in a lot of circumstances.
You don't want to be building a "gaming" rig around a 128 bit DDR2 card.
i'm not looking into getting into hardcore pc gaming. not really a priority right now (emphasis on STARVING college student) but a quick bullet list of things that are required just to get this thing working would be fine (like the obvious pci-e slot for example.) i'm mostly doing this for the experience of building my first computer. and please excuse my ignorance. even though i've read the op and have been following this thread for quite some time now, it can get a bit overwhelming.
brain_stew
Member
blehh said:
I just can't go ahead and recommend building a rig thats going to be doing any amount of gaming around that card, you want to cut your losses on it asap. Athlon ii X3 + 4GB DDR3 + AMD socket AM3 770 chipset mobo + 500GB Samsung F3 is the way to go on the low end, check out the $550 PC thread for an idea of some good quality low cost components.
It just doesn't make sense spending $300+ on other components if you're going to gimp your system with that card, you can build some very nice machines on a really tight budget but that thing will be undoing all your good work as its so insanely bandwidth starved.
your budget pc thread is great! thanks a lot.
yeah, i know i can build a great pc for cheap and have it held back with this 4650, but if you knew how much of a screw up i am with these sort of technical things, i'd rather practice and risk ruining this 4650 before really getting into building serious rigs.
...so whats the ABSOLUTE cheapest way i can use this 4650??
yeah, i know i can build a great pc for cheap and have it held back with this 4650, but if you knew how much of a screw up i am with these sort of technical things, i'd rather practice and risk ruining this 4650 before really getting into building serious rigs.
...so whats the ABSOLUTE cheapest way i can use this 4650??
SundaySounds
Banned
can I get a link to this budget pc thread I keep hearing about?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366177SundaySounds said:
brain_stew
Member
I've finally got my i7 920 locked in where I want it and 100% stable.
4.05GHz w/1.2625V (BCLK 211x19) on ASUS P6T SE
1686 on the DDR w/1.64V
EIST and C1E on for less wattage (stability tested with these features)
*If anyone has issues overclocking, make sure you set your uncore 2x memory manually, and not on auto. This was the roadblock that stopped me from hitting 4GHz.
Sapphire 5850 @775/1125 (load) <- kept it here for power saving features to function
It's been fun, now I can just use my PC for boring shit.
4.05GHz w/1.2625V (BCLK 211x19) on ASUS P6T SE
1686 on the DDR w/1.64V
EIST and C1E on for less wattage (stability tested with these features)
*If anyone has issues overclocking, make sure you set your uncore 2x memory manually, and not on auto. This was the roadblock that stopped me from hitting 4GHz.
Sapphire 5850 @775/1125 (load) <- kept it here for power saving features to function
It's been fun, now I can just use my PC for boring shit.
SundaySounds
Banned
brain_stew said:
ahh, sweetness. thanks.
Need some advice, I'm about ready to pull the trigger on an Radeon HD 4670 (I'm cheapass). So would like some advice regarding the amount of memory. If I understood correctly brain_stew mentioned on a previous thread that an HD 4670 would not be able to take advantage of the extra 512 of memory so since both cards below cost about the same I am wondering if the 512mb model would actually run more efficiently. Please advice.
512 MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102854
1 GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102855
btw, if you can point me out to a better deal on this model I would appreciate it. I've been saving the 512 mb link for a few weeks now, waiting for a chance to get it.
512 MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102854
1 GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102855
btw, if you can point me out to a better deal on this model I would appreciate it. I've been saving the 512 mb link for a few weeks now, waiting for a chance to get it.
pestul said:
If you OC outside the official tools limit the card won´t go into idle/2d mode anymore, right?
But then again I don´t plan on really using the pc for non-gaming stuff, so it shouldn´t idle a lot, anyways. And by the time it finally arrives Germany will probably be fully powered by green energy :lol And I´m an old man :/
brain_stew
Member
pestul said:
Very nicely done!
You'll be back fiddling in a couple of weeks though, i guarantee it. :lol
SundaySounds
Banned
Anyone have tips for overclocking a Phenom II 955 3.2Ghz?
Or tips for overclocking in general. I've attempted it before on this machine, but it never seems to work out.
Or tips for overclocking in general. I've attempted it before on this machine, but it never seems to work out.
brain_stew
Member
SundaySounds said:
Head on over to www.overclock.net, they'll sort you out. I've never OCed a Phenom so I can't help.
brain_stew
Member
ACE 1991 said:
Ad doesn't give enough info to really draw an opinion, heck it doesn't even mention its graphics solution, that's not a good sign.
ACE 1991 said:
Doesn't seem like a sale price to me. I priced a similar laptop with the athlon II M300 (Very slightly slower) and 3 GB of ram yesterday for 500$ CAD. If this is in the states it might even be a bit of a cold deal considering how everything is cheaper down there. I also can't tell if the integrated video is using the HD4200 or if it's using something older. If you're looking for a good deal I'd keep on looking.
Edit: Looks like it also has the HD4200 on it. It's no dedicated GPU but it still stomps all over Intel's IGP. I also can't find the model on either the United States or Canadian website. Again 600$ CAD is a fair price, 600$ USD you could do better if you wait it out.
Edit 2: It also doesn't exist on amazon.com which means that it's another model and they just threw in another 2GB of ram to be able to call it a different model number to prevent price matching and/or finding information about it online. One of the reasons I hate BB.
brain_stew
Member
Caoz said:
Neither get the ASUS model that's only ~$40 after rebate.
brain_stew said:
Thanks brain_stew,
Color me intrigued by this $40 4670 that you mention. I only see this one asus 4670 for $60 after rebate :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121328
This one MSI for $54 after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127448&cm_re=4670-_-14-127-448-_-Product
and a couple of 4650's around $38 after rebate, but after reading one of your previous posts, I don't think thats the one you are talking about.
brain_stew
Member
Caoz said:
Eh, well it was there a few hours ago, crap, not surprised they were snapped up straight away it was a great deal, had pretty beefy cooling as well. I'd probably go with the MSI model now then, still really good value imo, you'd be surprised with what that card can pull off. Great for 720p-1440x900 gaming.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Simple question: what is the best 23"-24" gaming monitor out there? I'm about the cave in and purchase a Samsung SyncMaster XL2370 LED, but I'm not sure if there are better alternatives.
I was wondering if anyone here could provide me with some links to good AM3 socket motherboards? I'm thinking of upgrading my CPU and don't see the worth in going to a quad core on my am2+ board since eventually I'll have to upgrade to DDR3 memory and am3 eventually. I have the money for it now so may as well do so now.
Alright, Brain Stew (or anyone else!), one more question for ya!
I have decided on a quad core. I'm gonna go at least one level up from the Q8400. Looking at the Q9400 or the Q9550. I'm searching hard to find comparisons for these two chips and it is a bit difficult. Got a 1080P 23" monitor incoming, couldn't resist and the prices on them are dirt cheap right now.
I'm trying to use this benchmark as a guide:
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,...PU-benchmarks-Phenom-II-very-strong/Practice/
But I have a couple issues with it. First one is they are using a 5870 (I have a GTX 260) for a card, and secondly they are running their benchmark at a lower resolution. But it is using more AA than I'll probably throw at the game and the cpu benchmarks are lower than what I would have with my overclock. If I get the 9550 I'll be able to overclock it to at least 3.4ghz, which is faster than the Q9650 benchmarked. If I go the Q9400 route, I'll get it to 3.2 ghz which is faster than the Q6600 benchmark. The truth is I know I'll be able to hit well over 60fps on an overclocked q9400 with my system, at this point am I wasting my money on a Q9550? I can get a Q9400 for about 70 dollars cheaper, and I don't have a microcenter near me to get a cheap 9550.
I know the q9550 will be the better performer overall, but I do try to make balanced builds. I could spend the extra money on the chip, but I hate wasting money for what could very well be little performance increase.
I have decided on a quad core. I'm gonna go at least one level up from the Q8400. Looking at the Q9400 or the Q9550. I'm searching hard to find comparisons for these two chips and it is a bit difficult. Got a 1080P 23" monitor incoming, couldn't resist and the prices on them are dirt cheap right now.
I'm trying to use this benchmark as a guide:
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,...PU-benchmarks-Phenom-II-very-strong/Practice/
But I have a couple issues with it. First one is they are using a 5870 (I have a GTX 260) for a card, and secondly they are running their benchmark at a lower resolution. But it is using more AA than I'll probably throw at the game and the cpu benchmarks are lower than what I would have with my overclock. If I get the 9550 I'll be able to overclock it to at least 3.4ghz, which is faster than the Q9650 benchmarked. If I go the Q9400 route, I'll get it to 3.2 ghz which is faster than the Q6600 benchmark. The truth is I know I'll be able to hit well over 60fps on an overclocked q9400 with my system, at this point am I wasting my money on a Q9550? I can get a Q9400 for about 70 dollars cheaper, and I don't have a microcenter near me to get a cheap 9550.
I know the q9550 will be the better performer overall, but I do try to make balanced builds. I could spend the extra money on the chip, but I hate wasting money for what could very well be little performance increase.
Funky Papa said:
I've read the Asus monitors are pretty good (scored well at maximum PC too), but seem to have quality control issues in terms of build. The XL2370 is a nice monitor, LED backlighting is nice.
I would just make sure to get it from a place that doesn't hassle about returns. I'm somewhat of a stickler for dead pixels in LCDs, and each place has different return policies. If you are ordering online I would almost look at amazon first versus newegg for LCD screens since Newegg has a firm 8 dead pixel policy for returns. Buying locally helps too then there isn't any cost for shipping and quicker turnaround if you need a replacement.
Full disclosure, I'm a bit partial to samsung for LCD screens. I think they make some of the better ones. But you can find decent ones from LG or Acer too. One of my friends has the 2370 and loves it. Pretty sexy screen.
Druz
Member
Mrbob said:
The XL2370 is impossible to find. Something weird is going on because Best Buy isnt ordering that model anymore.
i want it so bad. I may have posted these already but fuck it.. keep in mind the screen can be set extremely bright, has really good contrast ratio and no ghosting in games:
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Druz said:
Damn that monitor looks beautiful.
SundaySounds
Banned
Aurarian said:
This is the one I'm getting.
ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AMD 785G PC3-14400
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10010972
And then if you buy this cpu with it, you get an awesome combo deal.
AMD Phenom II x4, Black Edition 3.2Ghz
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10010385
And if you're looking for ram to go with it, this was the best deal I could find.
A-DATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211409
Shambles said:
Okay, thanks for the putting the time in. Do you have any recommendations for solid $600 and under laptops? I'm not interested in netbook, not gaming (not on this laptop, I'll be building a PC for that) just for web browsing, watching movies, and writing papers.
SundaySounds
Banned
quick question. Does it matter how I have my power supply flipped? I ask because I'm getting a case that has the power supply on the bottom. I don't need a special power supply for that, right? It doesn't matter which way I have my unit flipped?
Also, can I get an SLi AM3 MoBo, without it having a nvidia chipset?
Also, can I get an SLi AM3 MoBo, without it having a nvidia chipset?
ACE 1991 said:
Tigerdirect sends me a couple of emails a day, today they sent out one for a "laptop liquidation sale", guess it wouldn't hurt to look at the laptops included. This one below looks good to me for $599.
MSI A6005-201US Notebook PC - 2.2Ghz, 4GB DDR2, 320GB, DVD-RW, 16" Screen, Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium, ATI Radeon HD 4330 512 MB, Blue
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=5254389&sku=M455-16004