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Official "I need a new PC!!" 2009 Edition

tenritsu

Banned
ACE 1991 said:
Thinking about picking this up on black friday: http://bfads.net/HP-Laptop-AMD-Turion-Dual-Core-M500-6GB-RAM-320GB-HD-Windows-7-at-Best-Buy

I'm in need of a new laptop, and this one seems great for $600.

Apparently, the Turion II m500 has comparable performance to some C2Ds. that's actually a big step up from the turion x2s. I can't find anything on the graphics, though. One site had it listed as an intel GMA 4500HD... which is just absurd considering it's a freaking amd machine. Seeing the price, I'm going to say expect an integrated Radeon 3200 (for low low low end gaming).

For a comparable C2D laptop, this seems like a better fit. Intel integrated <<<<<<< AMD integrated. And, if the processor speeds are comparable, then it's really not a competition then.
 

Shambles

Member
tenritsu said:
Apparently, the Turion II m500 has comparable performance to some C2Ds. that's actually a big step up from the turion x2s. I can't find anything on the graphics, though. One site had it listed as an intel GMA 4500HD... which is just absurd considering it's a freaking amd machine. Seeing the price, I'm going to say expect an integrated Radeon 3200 (for low low low end gaming).

For a comparable C2D laptop, this seems like a better fit. Intel integrated <<<<<<< AMD integrated. And, if the processor speeds are comparable, then it's really not a competition then.

Better than a lot even. Even the slightly slower athlon M300 still has about a 30% advantage over my T5500 C2D. Even if you have a machine with an AMD that is a little slower for the same price, the integrated AMD GPU easily makes it a better offer (as stated above).
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
can anyone recommend me a AMD based MOBO+CPU combo (phenom ii X4) how does it compare to the i5? same? worse? better bang for buck?

SundaySounds said:
This is the one I'm getting.
ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AMD 785G PC3-14400
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10010972

And then if you buy this cpu with it, you get an awesome combo deal.
AMD Phenom II x4, Black Edition 3.2Ghz
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10010385

And if you're looking for ram to go with it, this was the best deal I could find.
A-DATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211409

*ahem*

I believe this processor would be in between the i5 and the i7, but more bang for the buck in both cases for sure.

This may help your decision as well.
http://www.overclock.net/general-processor-discussions/605258-phenom-ii-x4-965-vs-i5.html
 

ACE 1991

Member
Shambles said:
Better than a lot even. Even the slightly slower athlon M300 still has about a 30% advantage over my T5500 C2D. Even if you have a machine with an AMD that is a little slower for the same price, the integrated AMD GPU easily makes it a better offer (as stated above).

So should I go for the one from tiger direct over the one that I linked, then?
 

Red

Member
Looking for some help: I'm trying to install Windows 7 on a new build, but the HDD I'm using isn't showing up as a drive when I try to actually install the software. It's showing up in BIOS settings and the HDD indicator light is flashing occasionally, but when I get to actually installing Windows, I'm told "no signed device drivers were found." This was an OEM drive. It didn't come with a CD. How do I get around this?
 
Crunched said:
Looking for some help: I'm trying to install Windows 7 on a new build, but the HDD I'm using isn't showing up as a drive when I try to actually install the software. It's showing up in BIOS settings and the HDD indicator light is flashing occasionally, but when I get to actually installing Windows, I'm told "no signed device drivers were found." This was an OEM drive. It didn't come with a CD. How do I get around this?

There should be an option to 'load drivers' somewhere in the process. look for that. I've never personally had to use it, so I can't help too much. But that should point you in the right direction.
 

Red

Member
SundaySounds said:
There should be an option to 'load drivers' somewhere in the process. look for that. I've never personally had to use it, so I can't help too much. But that should point you in the right direction.
Yeah, but there's nothing to load drivers from. I don't have an installation CD and the set up doesn't detect the drive itself, so I can't pull anything from there. I'm googling this issue pretty thoroughly but haven't found a solution yet.
 

Septimus

Member
Hey guys, it would be really cool if someone like brain_stew or someone as knowledgeable could make a quick 'What to do first' guide when you get a new gaming computer. I expect mine to arrive within the next week or two and have no idea what I should be doing first. This comes from seeing things such as OCing, optimal settings, plugins, custom drivers and such.

My personal case would involve a Phenom II X3 720 Black Edition, 5770, and Gigabyte mobo. Are there any settings and stuff I should do to these components? (Windows 7, of course.)
 
Crunched said:
Yeah, but there's nothing to load drivers from. I don't have an installation CD and the set up doesn't detect the drive itself, so I can't pull anything from there. I'm googling this issue pretty thoroughly but haven't found a solution yet.

do you have a floppy drive?
 

Fugu

Member
Crunched said:
Yeah, but there's nothing to load drivers from. I don't have an installation CD and the set up doesn't detect the drive itself, so I can't pull anything from there. I'm googling this issue pretty thoroughly but haven't found a solution yet.
The "load drivers" to which he refers loads drivers off of the CD for nonstandard SATA or SCSI configurations. You don't need to have a disc to load them off of; you just need whatever you're installing Windows with.

Having said that, that's probably not your problem.
 

Fredescu

Member
Crunched said:
Yeah, but there's nothing to load drivers from. I don't have an installation CD and the set up doesn't detect the drive itself, so I can't pull anything from there. I'm googling this issue pretty thoroughly but haven't found a solution yet.
It's not HDD drivers you're looking for, it's drive controller drivers, which is to say motherboard drivers. You should have some CDs that came with your motherboard. Pop that in and point the install to wherever the chipset drivers are. If you don't have the CD, download it from the motherboard manufacturers website and pop it on a USB stick. I'm fairly sure Win 7 lets you load controller drives from a USB drive.

If your motherboard has some extra SATA ports which use a different controller chip and your OS drive is plugged into those ports, you might need to point it to those drivers instead. That should have come with your motherboard too.
 

Red

Member
SundaySounds said:
: / well that's quite a pickle. Can you load drivers from a flash drive?
No, flash drive isn't being detected.
Fredescu said:
It's not HDD drivers you're looking for, it's drive controller drivers, which is to say motherboard drivers. You should have some CDs that came with your motherboard. Pop that in and point the install to wherever the chipset drivers are. If you don't have the CD, download it from the motherboard manufacturers website and pop it on a USB stick. I'm fairly sure Win 7 lets you load controller drives from a USB drive.
That's what I thought at first, but loading the mobo CD gives me the same error. "No drivers detected."
 
SundaySounds said:
*ahem*

I believe this processor would be in between the i5 and the i7, but more bang for the buck in both cases for sure.

This may help your decision as well.
http://www.overclock.net/general-processor-discussions/605258-phenom-ii-x4-965-vs-i5.html

but it will still hang with games a year or two from now right? i'm looking to build something that will last the usual 2-3 years and i'm fairly certain that i would get an i5 system but if i can save some money and get near the same performance.....
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
but it will still hang with games a year or two from now right? i'm looking to build something that will last the usual 2-3 years and i'm fairly certain that i would get an i5 system but if i can save some money and get near the same performance.....

The Phenom II x4 3.2 will last you a good couple years, especially if you overclock it. You could easily crank it to 4.0Ghz with just a $30 heat pipe cooling unit.
 

Red

Member
After a good deal of frustration I've discovered I'm not the first one with this problem. Seems like there is no easy solution, sometimes flashing the BIOS works, sometimes it doesn't. I don't have a floppy drive so it looks like I won't be able to even try that solution. So annoying. Not sure what to do with this board now, doesn't seem like it'll detect anything hooked up to its many SATA connections.
 

chuckddd

Fear of a GAF Planet
Crunched said:
After a good deal of frustration I've discovered I'm not the first one with this problem. Seems like there is no easy solution, sometimes flashing the BIOS works, sometimes it doesn't. I don't have a floppy drive so it looks like I won't be able to even try that solution. So annoying. Not sure what to do with this board now, doesn't seem like it'll detect anything hooked up to its many SATA connections.

Get a floppy drive off an old pc or order one from newegg for <$8
 

Red

Member
chuckddd said:
Get a floppy drive off an old pc or order one from newegg for <$8
Looks like that won't be necessary. I just installed ubuntu 8.10 without issue and the drive suddenly appeared under windows installation. Weird, but I'm not complaining. Thanks for the input everyone.
 

wenis

Registered for GAF on September 11, 2001.
Alright so I need a bit of help. I didnt know I needed an enclosure for my SSD so anyone know where I can pick one up or what brand they'd recommend?
 
SundaySounds said:
*ahem*

I believe this processor would be in between the i5 and the i7, but more bang for the buck in both cases for sure.
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No it wouldn't. If you've got the money for an i5 setup, buy an i5 setup. AMD's rigs are nice for those on a tighter budget, but I can't recommend them over Nehalem based processors, the performance gap is just too big.

If you are going with a Phenom ii rig, I'd tend towards the 925 personally, especially this combo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.293437

You can make up the clockspeed gap through overclocking quite easily and the lower TDP is great for OCing potential, pick up one of these to help you out:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835207004&Tpk=sunbeam 120mm
 
brain_stew said:
No it wouldn't. If you've got the money for an i5 setup, buy an i5 setup. AMD's rigs are nice for those on a tighter budget, but I can't recommend them over Nehalem based processors, the performance gap is just too big.

If you are going with a Phenom ii rig, I'd tend towards the 925 personally, especially this combo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.293437

You can make up the clockspeed gap through overclocking quite easily and the lower TDP is great for OCing potential, pick up one of these to help you out:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835207004&Tpk=sunbeam 120mm

you wouldn't spend an extra 15 bucks to get the 955 BE?
 
SundaySounds said:
you wouldn't spend an extra 15 bucks to get the 955 BE?

If the difference is only $15 sure, why not, I'm just going off Newegg prices, being based in the UK, I'm not inclined to research prices elswhere.

Although having a look at that deal the difference seems to be $30 ($40 AR) all told and you're getting a worse motherboard as well, not sure if its so clear cut considering that.
 

ACE 1991

Member
Caoz said:
Tigerdirect sends me a couple of emails a day, today they sent out one for a "laptop liquidation sale", guess it wouldn't hurt to look at the laptops included. This one below looks good to me for $599.

MSI A6005-201US Notebook PC - 2.2Ghz, 4GB DDR2, 320GB, DVD-RW, 16" Screen, Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium, ATI Radeon HD 4330 512 MB, Blue

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=5254389&sku=M455-16004


I'm probably going to go with this one. Does anyone have any comments before I purchase it?
 
brain_stew said:
No it wouldn't. If you've got the money for an i5 setup, buy an i5 setup. AMD's rigs are nice for those on a tighter budget, but I can't recommend them over Nehalem based processors, the performance gap is just too big.

If you are going with a Phenom ii rig, I'd tend towards the 925 personally, especially this combo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.293437

You can make up the clockspeed gap through overclocking quite easily and the lower TDP is great for OCing potential, pick up one of these to help you out:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835207004&Tpk=sunbeam 120mm


gee, really? hmmm.. guess i still have some thinking to do based on the budget. which is about a $1,000USD
 

Red

Member
Hm, looks like I've got another problem. I have my new PC connected to my TV over HDMI with a sapphire 4850 1 GB. I've tried L4D2, RE5, and Bioshock so far and performance in each game (at 1280x768) has been pretty good, usually between 60 and 120 fps. It's staying pretty cool (about 55C at load), but I'm getting weird artifacts and DirectX 10 seems completely broken- running RE5 in DX10 mode gives me a monochrome screen and some shadows. I've updated my drivers, but the problem is still there. It's not constant, though, which is weird, and it only shows up in-game. I've seen artifacting in games before, but what's happening here is something I haven't encountered. It's like pixels are being stretched out or misplaced, appearing on parts of the screen where they shouldn't be. In L4D2 I'm getting green splotches that pop up every few minutes and in RE5 they're black. I have D3DOverrider set to triple buffering as well, but I'm still getting lots of tearing. You guys think it's my video card? I'm not super worried about it, but it's something unusual.

I've also noticed these little glitches tend to disappear after a while, they're most prevalent the first five to ten minutes I'm playing a game and mostly vanish after that. Oh, and enabling AA doesn't seem to do anything. Edges are still very aliased. It seems to stop being effective after about 2x.

Disregard the bolded, the effects seem random. They went away for a few minutes but are back again now, it's like the graphics aren't being rendered fast enough or something, so there are some "blank" areas.
 
PC GAF, please help.

Parents can't afford to help me get a new PC but they have offered their second PC that they never use. I want to make sure I can pop a proper video card in here. Picture of the PCI slots is in the spoiler

mydell.jpg


Can I pop a newer graphics card in there at all? I realize that I will have to buy a new power supply as well.

The hardware profile in the PC is an Intel Celeron 430 @ 1.80 GHz. Only 1 gig of ram so I would need to upgrade that as well.
 

Hazaro

relies on auto-aim
NorrenRadd said:
PC GAF, please help.

Parents can't afford to help me get a new PC but they have offered their second PC that they never use. I want to make sure I can pop a proper video card in here. Picture of the PCI slots is in the spoiler

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/nlyonssmith/mydell.jpg[IMG]

Can I pop a newer graphics card in there at all? I realize that I will have to buy a new power supply as well.

The hardware profile in the PC is an Intel Celeron 430 @ 1.80 GHz. Only 1 gig of ram so I would need to upgrade that as well.[/QUOTE]
CPU is trash. You'd have to upgrade your CPU (if your motherboard even supports it), even then it looks like a stock mobo so no overclocking.

You are much better off buying a new rig.
[QUOTE=SundaySounds]If a MoBo said it supports 1600(O.C.) ram, does that mean it won't accept 1600 ram stock? do I have to do something to it?[/QUOTE]
It will accept it fine.
 
NorrenRadd said:
The hardware profile in the PC is an Intel Celeron 430 @ 1.80 GHz. Only 1 gig of ram so I would need to upgrade that as well.

If all you were doing is using it as a firewall or home file server maybe it would be worth keeping. But you aren't going to be doing any gaming on that, upgraded video cards or not. That thing literally has the horsepower of a netbook.
 

MoFuzz

Member
NorrenRadd said:
The hardware profile in the PC is an Intel Celeron 430 @ 1.80 GHz.

Wow, I thought I was hurting earlier this year when I was still rocking an AMD Athlon 2.5 GHz. Looks like you got me beat! :lol

Are you looking to get into gaming at all? Or will it mostly be a web/work/media PC?
 

Red

Member
chuckddd said:
Check the gpu temps. Sounds like an overheating video card to me.
Yeah, that's what I thought. I checked temps almost immediately, but the highest the card got was 55C. Surely that's acceptable? My CPU never broke 30C, core was around 32-33 at load. Very strange problem. Was more apparent in RE5 than the other two games I tested, but the system seemed totally stable despite the problems. It's not a gaming rig, so it shouldn't present too much of an issue. It's mostly for my parents and younger siblings, at most it'll be used for some light gaming.
 
Hazaro said:
CPU is trash. You'd have to upgrade your CPU (if your motherboard even supports it), even then it looks like a stock mobo so no overclocking.

You are much better off buying a new rig.

It will accept it fine.

Thanks, that's what I was thinking. Bummer.
 
Smokey said:

SuperEnemyCrab said:
If all you were doing is using it as a firewall or home file server maybe it would be worth keeping. But you aren't going to be doing any gaming on that, upgraded video cards or not. That thing literally has the horsepower of a netbook.

lol, thanks guys. confirmed my suspicions.
 

Shambles

Member
SuperEnemyCrab said:
If all you were doing is using it as a firewall or home file server maybe it would be worth keeping. But you aren't going to be doing any gaming on that, upgraded video cards or not. That thing literally has the horsepower of a netbook.

Give him more credit than that. It has more horsepower than the notebooks that aren't using the 330 atom :p
 

Masenkame

Member
All right, looking to build a PC. Pretty much am looking at the main build from the $550 PC thread. Check it out:

MSI 770 DDR3 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130228
AMD Phenom II X3 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103649
Sapphire 5770 1GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102858
Gigabyte Luxo X140 Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811233058
OCZ 500W Modular 80 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341016
G.SKILL 4GB DDR3 1600 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277

I was also looking at this motherboard: GIGABYTE 770 AM3 DDR3 1666 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128392

Same price as the MSI board above, but different company with good reviews. Anyone know anything about it?

I'm wondering about RAM. A little bit more expensive now, but seems to be of good quality. Also, the PSU comes out to about $59 with a code, seem decent? Thanks.
 

Masenkame

Member
Crunched said:
I just used that board for a new build and it gave me some trouble initially (wouldn't show HDD when installing Windows). After sorting out that problem it was all smooth sailing, works pretty well.

Yes, the reviews on Newegg are quite positive. So what was that problem you had?


EDIT:That Gigabyte Luxo Case just went out of stock, any other suggestions?
 

Red

Member
Masenkame said:
Yes, the reviews on Newegg are quite positive. So what was that problem you had?


EDIT:That Gigabyte Luxo Case just went out of stock, any other suggestions?
Crunched said:
Looking for some help: I'm trying to install Windows 7 on a new build, but the HDD I'm using isn't showing up as a drive when I try to actually install the software. It's showing up in BIOS settings and the HDD indicator light is flashing occasionally, but when I get to actually installing Windows, I'm told "no signed device drivers were found." This was an OEM drive. It didn't come with a CD. How do I get around this?
Was trying to sort it out just a few posts up. Ended up having to use Linux to format the drive before it would show up for Windows installation. It was a weird solution, luckily I happened to try it otherwise the board would have been RMA'd.
 

tenritsu

Banned
ACE 1991 said:
I'm probably going to go with this one. Does anyone have any comments before I purchase it?

It looks like a very solid machine. However, don't expect superb gaming performance:

http://optimitza.cat/benchmarks/laptops

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-4330.13973.0.html

For 600 it's a pretty good deal, especially since you're hard pressed to find a discrete graphics solution at this price range (at least, it was hard a few months ago). I haven't been laptop searching since I got mine, so I'm not sure how it stacks up with others though.
 
Masenkame said:
Yes, the reviews on Newegg are quite positive. So what was that problem you had?


EDIT:That Gigabyte Luxo Case just went out of stock, any other suggestions?

I'd say any of the cooler master cases are good around that price and do the job fine.

I would recommend spending a bit more on a case that you really like and has a well thought out air flow, like a Lian-Li, Silverstone or Antec, and is a piece of hardware that can be carried over to your next build.
 

Masenkame

Member
Romance Pie and Hazaro, thanks so much for the suggestions. Hazaro, the Cooler Master Elite that you linked was perfect. Great price, and free shipping!

Crunched said:
Was trying to sort it out just a few posts up. Ended up having to use Linux to format the drive before it would show up for Windows installation. It was a weird solution, luckily I happened to try it otherwise the board would have been RMA'd.

Thanks, that's very useful to keep in mind. I'm going for that MSI motherboard if all goes well.
 
MoFuzz said:
Wow, I thought I was hurting earlier this year when I was still rocking an AMD Athlon 2.5 GHz. Looks like you got me beat! :lol

Are you looking to get into gaming at all? Or will it mostly be a web/work/media PC?

Um, that Celeron is much better than that old Athlon, its Core 2 based afterall. Sadly, its single core, which means its pretty damn terrible for any modern gaming. He should be able to stick in an old second hand Core 2 for cheap (possibly perform a pin mod on it), get an extra gig of RAM and a 4670. Could make it acceptable for less than $150. Its definitely not the best base to start with though, that's for sure.
 
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