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[rc213]

So it was you who bumped my thread :lol
I mean I planned to stick with my 8800GTS (320) for a bit, but then I did a big upgrade to a 8800GT on launch day. 2 day air from Canada for $260 :lol Arrived the next day and couldn't of been happier. Then I got a nice deal on a GTX 260 so no doubt I'll bite on the new GPU when it comes out in time.

Yeah, I've been searching for deals on PC Games and your name caught my eye.

 

[gohepcat]

RAID 0 can effectively double your read and write speeds. In reality it may not be quite that much, but it makes a huge difference.

Horrible for reliability is a little exaggerated too, you're just putting your data's dependency on 2 devices instead of 1. So at worst, it is double the risk (which if you think is horrible, then fair enough, but that just means you don't have much faith in the drive normally either).

Nothing will improve load times quite like a SSD. RAID 0 would be the next best thing, but a single of those new intel SSD's would beat the fastest drive in RAID 0, but putting two SSDs in RAID 0 would be faster than all hell, that's the ultimate way to go. And since they have no moving parts, even in RAID 0 there's pretty much no reliability risk, you just need a spare $1K or so

Weeeel. Let me just clarify. I've dealt with my fair share of disaster recovery of data from hard disks. I can pretty much handle anything on a single drive. 75% of the time you can pull data from a failing drive that will simply not boot (hook it up to a cheap external USB cable and you are good). 15% of the time you can pull data with a little work (turning the dive upside down, putting it in the fridge for a bit). In extreme cases you can pull the platters out and move them to another drive (hard core but not impossible. You don't actually need a clean room, your bathroom a half hour after you take a hot shower is %99.999 dust free.

The other 10% is just beyond my capabilities and equipment.

Now take all those scenarios and fucking throw them out the window with Raid 0. One little hiccup and all your data is gone.

The other thing is SSD. Current SSD drives simply don't perform as well in real world as people think. They are just starting to get there (and they will soon fly past traditional hard drives), but they just are not quite there for what you pay them.

 

[Ranger X]

I have a new option for my PC! A friend of mine might have some deals with his job's hardware provider.

So the shopping continue! (phew, I didn't really want freaking Dell)

 

[Zombie James]

New CPUs and price cuts from Intel. I think the price premium you'd have to pay for the low-TDP quad models is pretty ridiculous. I'm sure you could get the same effect by undervolting.

So far the new pricing doesn't seem to be reflected anywhere.

 

[Minsc]

The other thing is SSD. Current SSD drives simply don't perform as well in real world as people think. They are just starting to get there (and they will soon fly past traditional hard drives), but they just are not quite there for what you pay them.

How many real world Intel X25s have you seen? I'd say a 1000% increase is pretty good!

 

[brain_stew]

Well my new 1080p monitor arrived a few days ago and I'm still shocked at just how much I got for my money. £140 for a 23" 1080p monitor that delivers a sunning picture just can't be beat, forget about any other options, this is the only monitor that matters for UK GAFers:

http://misco.co.uk/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=342071&CatId=3057

Make sure you go through quidco.com to get an extra £5 or so cashback. 2x HDMI 1.3 inputs and VGA just can't be beat at this pricepoint, doesn't hurt that Misco are a great etailer as well. This deal has my 100% backing. I was using a 27" 1366x768 LCD before and it really is amzing just how much more comfortable Windows is with all that extra screen real estate. Images scaled up from 720p really don't look half bad either, so this is a perfect cheap option for anyone looking for a HD bedroom/study/office PS3/360 screen.

 

[Won]

Need a little advise:
Ever since I upgraded to a 1680x1050 screen my 8800GTS 320 doesn't seem to cut it anymore for me. And since I got some spare money from christmas I'm looking for a upgrade that is worth its money. Should I just go for a GTX 260? 4850 (cheaper?)? Or will something new be released soon and I should just stick with it?
GPUs always confuse me.

 

[madmook]

Budget?

 

[Won]

Budget?

In theory, unlimited. But I'm looking for something reasonable. Looking at some benchmarks, the GTX 260 looks a bit too expensive. Maybe I'm missing something here or just look at the wrong benchmarks. (so many out there)

Edit: Looks like I set my mind to the GTX 260 for now. Will hopefully last for a while.

 

[VictimOfGrief]

Quick question: Is it worth waiting for the i7/LGA1366 combo, or should I just buy the Core 2 Duo or Quad Core with the 775 mobo? I don't really want to spend more than $300-350 on both CPU/Mobo, but it seems late in the game to upgrade to a different dual core right now.

I currently have an AMD X2 3800+ 2GHz, so I'm not exactly desperate. Think i7 prices will come down before or around summer?

Having had a OC'ed Q6600 to 3.2GHz and a soon Core i7 920 OC'ed to 3.8-4.0.... I can safely say it's worth it to upgrade to the Core i7 platform.

The premium is on the Mobo/CPU/Memory but if you can swing it, it's completely worth it IMO.... again depending on what your doing.... gaming.... It's the best thing yet.

 

[Hazaro]

Only for Super RTS and $500 cards.
Right?

 

[K.Jack]

We're playing at 1680x1050 and above around here. When is the i7 going to really shine at GPU limited resolutions?

Links to some good benchmarks would be appreciated.

 

[SapientWolf]

We're playing at 1680x1050 and above around here. When is the i7 going to really shine at GPU limited resolutions?

Links to some good benchmarks would be appreciated.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

In theory, unlimited. But I'm looking for something reasonable. Looking at some benchmarks, the GTX 260 looks a bit too expensive. Maybe I'm missing something here or just look at the wrong benchmarks. (so many out there)

Edit: Looks like I set my mind to the GTX 260 for now. Will hopefully last for a while.

I personally use a HD 4870 1GB and I play everything maxxed in 1920x1200 except for Crysis Warhead and get great framerates. I play Crysis Warhead in like 1400 x 900 or something, but with every setting on maximum (no AA / AF though) and it runs really smooth. The card is great considering you can get it for around $300 or less.

For reference the rest of my system is the following:

Gigabyte Ultra Durable 3 Motherboard
Core 2 Duo E8500 (3.2ghz)
4GB DDR2 PC800 Ram (cheap generic stuff)
Vista Ultimate 64bit
Earthwatts 650 Watt PSU
24" LG 1920x1200 LCD

 

[Hazaro]

New RTS that is CPU limited. Obviously it shows it is CPU limited there.

 

[SapientWolf]

New RTS that is CPU limited. Obviously it shows it is CPU limited there.

Any game where the CPU shines at traditionally GPU limited resolutions is going to be considered CPU limited. GTAIV is another example of this, but I don't trust the in game benchmark.

Think of the CPU as your speed limit. If you can only get 120fps at the lowest settings then that is your limit. The only time you would need to upgrade your CPU is when the limit is too low for vsync.

 

[bitq]

Once usb 3.0 comes out, will there be pci cards with usb 3.0 ports you can add on to an older motherboard? I know pci express 2.0 is 5Gbit/s, the same as usb 3.0.

 

[Hazaro]

Any game where the CPU shines at traditionally GPU limited resolutions is going to be considered CPU limited. GTAIV is another example of this, but I don't trust the in game benchmark.

Think of the CPU as your speed limit. If you can only get 120fps at the lowest settings then that is your limit. The only time you would need to upgrade your CPU is when the limit is too low for vsync.

Pretty much, but GTA IV runs like ass to begin with. SupCom, WIC, and probably 1 or 2 other RTS's make up the area which Quads are needed for good framerates.

Also for getting $500 in GPU's and up the CPU muscle helps.
I don't see a 3Ghz Dual-Core Intel being phased out in even 3 years from now to run games.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Once usb 3.0 comes out, will there be pci cards with usb 3.0 ports you can add on to an older motherboard? I know pci express 2.0 is 5Gbit/s, the same as usb 3.0.

Holy shit I didn't even know USB 3.0 was coming. 5.0Gbit/s is insane. Isn't Serial ATA only like 3Gbit/s? With the proper HDD, wouldn't that mean it would theoretically be faster to run programs off your USB 3.0 HDD?

USB 3.0 is going to be awesome. Being able to plug and play external devices and get speeds like that will lead to a lot of cool possibilities. It will easily allow for USB Blu-ray drives (USB 2.0 isn't good enough, right)?

 

[Hazaro]

Holy shit I didn't even know USB 3.0 was coming. 5.0Gbit/s is insane. Isn't Serial ATA only like 3Gbit/s? With the proper HDD, wouldn't that mean it would theoretically be faster to run programs off your USB 3.0 HDD?

Theoretical speed =/= Actual speed.
HDD speed of 140MB/s would be the same on USB or SATA. Better on SATA because of the connection.
If SATA is 3Gbit/s then why don't we have SATA graphics cards yet? (Or external PCI-E slots on laptops?) <--- That would be so awesome. i.e. an exposed cover that reveals a PCI-E slot from the motherboard where you could attach a card of your choice with it's included power adapter.

Once usb 3.0 comes out, will there be pci cards with usb 3.0 ports you can add on to an older motherboard? I know pci express 2.0 is 5Gbit/s, the same as usb 3.0.

Wait what? USB 3.0 won't be backwards compatible in terms of speed, if at all.
Plugging in a PCI card into a computer then into a USB port? What?

 

[zoku88]

A new SATA standard is coming out anyway... doubling again, IIRC

kinda needed since SSDs are getting closer and closer to the SATA limit.

 

[maniac-kun]

i have a strange problem with my new pc i build a phenom x4 9950 with a gigabyte board and the problem i have is that the chipset overheats all the time so i have to active cool it with a 120mm case cooler. using vista 64 if that has something to do with it. the chipset on the mainboard is only passive cooled. normal 80 mm case coolers dont work for that i have 3 in the case.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

What motherboard is it, and are you overclocking anything?

 

[maniac-kun]

What motherboard is it, and are you overclocking anything?

not at home right now but nothing is overclocked
will post exact type etc when iam home again

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Theoretical speed =/= Actual speed.
HDD speed of 140MB/s would be the same on USB or SATA. Better on SATA because of the connection.
If SATA is 3Gbit/s then why don't we have SATA graphics cards yet? (Or external PCI-E slots on laptops?) <--- That would be so awesome. i.e. an exposed cover that reveals a PCI-E slot from the motherboard where you could attach a card of your choice with it's included power adapter.

Wait what? USB 3.0 won't be backwards compatible in terms of speed, if at all.
Plugging in a PCI card into a computer then into a USB port? What?

I never really thought about that. I always just thought that PCI Express 2.0 just had better bandwidth and faster transfer rate than SATA.

Either way USB 2.0 can only get like a maximum of 60MB/s right? If USB 3.0 can do a potential speed of over 600MB/s, that is pretty damn impressive even if a HDD's maximum transfer speed is stuck at 140MB/s. USB 3.0 would still allow for a huge improvement in HDD speed over USB 2.0 at least and would it not be possible to use an external USB 3.0 HDD in the exact same manner as internal drive?

 

[VictimOfGrief]

Once usb 3.0 comes out, will there be pci cards with usb 3.0 ports you can add on to an older motherboard? I know pci express 2.0 is 5Gbit/s, the same as usb 3.0.

I would expect that it will use PCI-E for the expansion cards.

 

[VictimOfGrief]

Case: Custom Cool Master 690
CPU: Intel Core i7 920
CPU Cooling: Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme
Mobo: Gigabyte X58-UD4P
Memory: Corsair Dominator 3x1GB 1600 DDR3
PSU: BFG 800W
GPU: eVGA 9800GT
Drives:
Seagate 750GB 7200.10 |
Samsung 22X DVD Burner
Input:
Microsoft Wireless Keyboard Elite |
Logitech MX500 mouse
Monitor: LG 19" Widescreen 2ms 3000:1 contrast DVI/VGA 1440x900

I moved up the memory to the dominator because of all of the great reviews I've read plus faster is better right?

Anyhoo, total build cost including shipping costs are just a hair under $1100 bucks.

The 9800GT card will be stepped up during the 90 day eVGA step up or I'll be buying another GPU and demote the 9800GT to PhysX duty.

Should be getting my mobo/cpu and psu today and the rest later this week. Just a matter of time now.

 

[Barso]

I have about £1400 and would really appreciate some good advice on who to go to for a decent, reliable gaming PC.
I live in the UK and I don't want to build my own. Is there anything really important that I should look for when buying a PC.
Is ATI or NVIDEA the GPU I should be looking at?
And I would love to buy a purchase I won't need to look at upgarding for a year or two.
I have looked at PCSpecialist, Dell and their Alienware range but I am sure with the expertise on this thread I could get some solid advice.
Thanks to all the help and replies.
It is greatly appreciated.

 

[avaya]

I have about £1400 and would really appreciate some good advice on who to go to for a decent, reliable gaming PC.
I live in the UK and I don't want to build my own. Is there anything really important that I should look for when buying a PC.
Is ATI or NVIDEA the GPU I should be looking at?
And I would love to buy a purchase I won't need to look at upgarding for a year or two.
I have looked at PCSpecialist, Dell and their Alienware range but I am sure with the expertise on this thread I could get some solid advice.
Thanks to all the help and replies.
It is greatly appreciated.

Go to Overclockers.co.uk or Scan.co.uk and choose your system for you.

Stay the hell away from Alienware.

£1,400 will buy you a Core i7 with a Nvidia GTX 260 (best card for this price range).

Here is an example from Scan.co.uk

System: 3XS Intel X58 Core i7
http://3xs.scan.co.uk/ConfigureSystem.asp?SystemID=880

CPU: Intel i7 920, Nehalem, 2.66GHz, 4.8GT/s QPI, 8MB Cache, Retail
Motherboard: Asus P6T Deluxe - Intel X58 - Sok 1366
CPU Heatsink: Thermalright Ultra 120 eXtreme (TRUE) 120mm Heat Sink Fan
RAM: 3GB (3x1GB) Corsair XMS3 DDR3 PC3-10666 (1333) CAS 9-9-9-24
GPU: 896MB XFX GTX 260, 576MHz GPU, 216 Cores, 2000MHz GDDR3
HDD: 1000 GB Samsung HD103UJ Spinpoint F1, 7200 rpm, 32MB Cache
Case: Antec 1200
Power Supply: 620W Corsair HX Series Modular PSU (Single Graphics Card)
Optical Drive: Pioneer DVR-216DBK 20x DVD±R, 12x DVD±DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW x6
Soundcard: Onboard

Cost: £1,443.

Choosing an Antec 900 case will bring this within your budget. But I wouldn't really want to skimp on case due to temperatures. To upgrade this system all you'd really have to do is buy a new GFX card.

I placed an order for a 3XS System from Scan, only cost ~£100 more than if I built it myself. You can choose every component if you phone them up. I take delivery on Tuesday, hopefully.

Scan build time will be around 10 working days. OcUK have a build and ship time of 2-3 working days.

If you move away from Core i7, you can get even cheaper PCs that on Quad-core's. You can even go SLi or Crossfire for that price via that route.

 

[zoku88]

You also have to keep in mind, when talking about SATA and USB and different interfaces, that there are other differences than bandwidth.

For example, USB, I believe, usually has CPU utilization than SATA and firewire. There are probably differences in built in error correction as well.

I never really thought about that. I always just thought that PCI Express 2.0 just had better bandwidth and faster transfer rate than SATA.

Either way USB 2.0 can only get like a maximum of 60MB/s right? If USB 3.0 can do a potential speed of over 600MB/s, that is pretty damn impressive even if a HDD's maximum transfer speed is stuck at 140MB/s. USB 3.0 would still allow for a huge improvement in HDD speed over USB 2.0 at least and would it not be possible to use an external USB 3.0 HDD in the exact same manner as internal drive?

You probably lose some speed, anyway, since the drive inside of the external would probably be using a SATA interface or something internally (they don't make USB HDDs, lol.) Either way, it would be the same as using eSATA at best, speed wise.

Until the next SATA standard comes out. (and eSATA along with it.) I think sometime this year?

 

[VictimOfGrief]

Gigabyte board is damn heavy!

Coaster is of course for scale.

CPU Specs:
Core i7 920
Batch #: 3839A588

Supposedly the batch #3836B043 can be limited in OC'ing so I'm thankful I didn't get one from that batch.

Be on the look out.

 

[Labombadog]

Gigabyte board is damn heavy!

Coaster is of course for scale.

CPU Specs:
Core i7 920
Batch #: 3839A588

Supposedly the batch #3836B043 can be limited in OC'ing so I'm thankful I didn't get one from that batch.

Be on the look out.

Congrats! Looks sexy!

 

[brain_stew]

With a budget of $130 is there anything worth upgrading to from 9600GT SSC 512mb?

The 4850 is bang on budget and is a considerable upgrade. Go for it.

 

[Rimshot]

I have a real problem... The problem is I can not decide what case to get.

It is standing between Antec Three Hundred and Antec P182.

Most importantly is the sound level and secondly the cooling. I am going to buy new more quiet fans for the case I end up with. But my question is how much difference there is in the noise level between the two cases? Is it worth to pay 120% more for the P182?

And since I am going to buy a bigger heatsink for the CPU will things like the Noctua heatsink fit in the Antec Three Hundred? Cooling is of some importance as I am going to clock the CPU. So here again, is it worth the extra money for the difference in airflow the P182 gives you?

Thanks beforehand for your input on this.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

You also have to keep in mind, when talking about SATA and USB and different interfaces, that there are other differences than bandwidth.

For example, USB, I believe, usually has CPU utilization than SATA and firewire. There are probably differences in built in error correction as well.

You probably lose some speed, anyway, since the drive inside of the external would probably be using a SATA interface or something internally (they don't make USB HDDs, lol.) Either way, it would be the same as using eSATA at best, speed wise.

Until the next SATA standard comes out. (and eSATA along with it.) I think sometime this year?

Makes sense. I didn't mean to say that there are USB HDDs. I just meant USB connected external HDDs is all.

Either way this will still be a massive improvement over USB 2.0 at least!

 

[Clever Pun]

I have a real problem... The problem is I can not decide what case to get.

It is standing between Antec Three Hundred and Antec P182.

Most importantly is the sound level and secondly the cooling. I am going to buy new more quiet fans for the case I end up with. But my question is how much difference there is in the noise level between the two cases? Is it worth to pay 120% more for the P182?

And since I am going to buy a bigger heatsink for the CPU will things like the Noctua heatsink fit in the Antec Three Hundred? Cooling is of some importance as I am going to clock the CPU. So here again, is it worth the extra money for the difference in airflow the P182 gives you?

Thanks beforehand for your input on this.

I'll be building a machine in the Antec three hundred tomorrow (i picked up a couple extra fans, but i'm just using the stock cooler on the Q6600) so if you don't hear anything else, I'll comment on the noise level then.

 

[sugaki]

I have the Antec Sonata III 500, the giant 120mm is actually pretty soft. The loudest thing on my computer is my DVD drive when it really starts spinning up.

 

[Rimshot]

I'll be building a machine in the Antec three hundred tomorrow (i picked up a couple extra fans, but i'm just using the stock cooler on the Q6600) so if you don't hear anything else, I'll comment on the noise level then.

Looking forward to hear about your experience with it

 

[Ranger X]

Case: Custom Cool Master 690
CPU: Intel Core i7 920
CPU Cooling: Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme
Mobo: Gigabyte X58-UD4P
Memory: Corsair Dominator 3x1GB 1600 DDR3
PSU: BFG 800W
GPU: eVGA 9800GT
Drives:
Seagate 750GB 7200.10 |
Samsung 22X DVD Burner
Input:
Microsoft Wireless Keyboard Elite |
Logitech MX500 mouse
Monitor: LG 19" Widescreen 2ms 3000:1 contrast DVI/VGA 1440x900

I moved up the memory to the dominator because of all of the great reviews I've read plus faster is better right?


Anyhoo, total build cost including shipping costs are just a hair under $1100 bucks.

The 9800GT card will be stepped up during the 90 day eVGA step up or I'll be buying another GPU and demote the 9800GT to PhysX duty.

Should be getting my mobo/cpu and psu today and the rest later this week. Just a matter of time now.

I might copy your build there (+ a second harddrive and an Intensity Pro card)

What do you all think about that build?


.

 

[Rimshot]

I might copy your build there (+ a second harddrive and an Intensity Pro card)

What do you all think about that build?


.

As stated before, don't waste as much money on the cpu/motherboard and make a gfx upgrade instead. Cause that is really a bottleneck in that system.

 

[BitchTits]

Guys, can you recommend a good, reliable HDD.

I'm looking for something mainly for back-up purposes, but I'm weary about going with Seagate (regarding the recent issues), and I've always steered clear of drives that are very big (1TB seems like a lot of data to lose etc). I had a 750GB Seagate go bye-bye on me last year too.

What about Samsung, reliable?

 

[Rimshot]

Guys, can you recommend a good, reliable HDD.

I'm looking for something mainly for back-up purposes, but I'm weary about going with Seagate (regarding the recent issues), and I've always steered clear of drives that are very big (1TB seems like a lot of data to lose etc). I had a 750GB Seagate go bye-bye on me last year too.

What about Samsung, reliable?

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 32MB 640GB Hdd with lowest noise levels on the market as far as I know except SSD and such. As well as very reliable, have many friends with this hdd.

 

[BitchTits]

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 32MB 640GB Hdd with lowest noise levels on the market as far as I know except SSD and such. As well as very reliable, have many friends with this hdd.

Cheers, I'll have a look for it now.

 

[Minsc]

Guys, can you recommend a good, reliable HDD.

I'm looking for something mainly for back-up purposes, but I'm weary about going with Seagate (regarding the recent issues), and I've always steered clear of drives that are very big (1TB seems like a lot of data to lose etc). I had a 750GB Seagate go bye-bye on me last year too.

What about Samsung, reliable?

Internal/External? Price range?

I'd say just buy anything with a 5 year warranty and keep the receipt, especially if it is for a backup drive. It will more than likely be obsolete in 5 years, and you can just update for a larger new one with a new 5 year warranty.

 

[BitchTits]

Internal/External? Price range?

Don't really mind. I was looking at internal/OEM as I have a spare eSATA drive caddy, but I'm happy with external too. Price, cheap as poss, but quality is more important than price.

 

[Minsc]

Don't really mind. I was looking at internal/OEM as I have a spare eSATA drive caddy, but I'm happy with external too. Price, cheap as poss, but quality is more important than price.

Well I don't think I'm going to be able to top a $79.99 640GB drive with a 5 year warranty and free shipping.

 

[travisbickle]

I have an Intel P4 3.6
2gb ram
and a Geforce 6600

I was thinking of upgrading my gpu, just wondering which gpus are going to get me best bang for buck? any sites for good deals?(I'm british)

 

[CAVE343]

I have a real problem... The problem is I can not decide what case to get.

It is standing between Antec Three Hundred and Antec P182.

Most importantly is the sound level and secondly the cooling. I am going to buy new more quiet fans for the case I end up with. But my question is how much difference there is in the noise level between the two cases? Is it worth to pay 120% more for the P182?

And since I am going to buy a bigger heatsink for the CPU will things like the Noctua heatsink fit in the Antec Three Hundred? Cooling is of some importance as I am going to clock the CPU. So here again, is it worth the extra money for the difference in airflow the P182 gives you?

Thanks beforehand for your input on this.

I have the p182, and I can say that it's pretty big! I've always had laptops so the case is huge imo

The casefans itself are adjustable in 3 levels. I've set them on medium and it's pretty quiet when doing normal stuff like surfing. But when gaming the GPU fan (4870X2) kicks in and that thing makes so much noise, it's like a freakin' jumbojet.

I can't comment on the cooling capabilities of the Three Hundred, but the airflow in the p182 is quite good.

About space, the 4870 barely fits in the case because it's so long. But for other components there is more than enough space. You can easily fit in a aftermarket cooler and several harddrives. The HDD bay's are also very easy to customize becuse of the little cages inside the case. You can open the side panel of the case through easy thumbscrews.

All in all I would suggest the p182 for the space and it does looks pretty slick.

 

[YuriLowell]

I also have a P182 and I hope the next upgrade that I do to it will be alright.

I need to know what GAF thinks about this.

I currently have a 6400+ @3.4ghz.
I want to upgrade to either a gtx280, or gtx285, or gtx 295.

Would my CPU bottleneck my card at all?

Also would any fellow P182 owners tell me if the 280 cards are too large for the case?

 

[K.Jack]

Internal/External? Price range?

I'd say just buy anything with a 5 year warranty and keep the receipt, especially if it is for a backup drive. It will more than likely be obsolete in 5 years, and you can just update for a larger new one with a new 5 year warranty.

Can you rec me a decent external? Budget: the lower the better, certainly less than $150. My notebook has eSATA