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[Barkley's Justice]

once again, apple proves how non-green they are.

hey apple, there's this new thing called digital content delivery. it's crazy. you can buy software online and download it. i know, it's totally nuts.

but hey, thanks for shipping out all of those OS discs. i am sure the carbon emissions the USPS will kick up during delivery will be rad. oh, and thanks for the manufacturing carbon emissions too on those dvds as well as the trees you'll be choppin down for the packaging. good job there.

 

[Mailenstein]

Is there actually some kind of household diary compatible with snow leopard? Something where you can enter how much money you spend every day etc. I used to have a real one while I was living in Japan. It comes in handy when you're wondering where all your money goes :lol.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

once again, apple proves how non-green they are.

hey apple, there's this new thing called digital content delivery. it's crazy. you can buy software online and download it. i know, it's totally nuts.

but hey, thanks for shipping out all of those OS discs. i am sure the carbon emissions the USPS will kick up during delivery will be rad. oh, and thanks for the manufacturing carbon emissions too on those dvds as well as the trees you'll be choppin down for the packaging. good job there.

LOL!

 

[criesofthepast]

So nobody else here is having any problems connecting to peers with Transmission?

Yes it's happening to me as well. It takes a good 5 minutes to make that initial connection but then the speed and amount of seeders is fine for me. Not sure why it's taking so long to make that first contact.

 

[mrkgoo]

7% actually. A drive on Leopard and before will report 7% less space than the same drive on Snow Leopard. I did the math one day. Every drive I had was 7% less than advertised so I assumed that was how it was.

i.e. My 500GB drive in SL is 500GB. But in Leopard it's 465GB. My 1TB drive in SL is 1GB (Fine, 999.78GB, ugh, just round up!) while in Leopard it's 931GB.

.

Ya, I said <10%. It's close to 7%, because by the time you get out to Gigabytes, the difference is 1,000,000,000 vs 1,073,741,824 bytes in a Gigabyte (new) vs Gibibyte (old).

 

[CrunchinJelly]

So from the last few pages I guess Snow Leopard is just as buggy as every other x.0 OS X release.

 

[celebi23]

So from the last few pages I guess Snow Leopard is just as buggy as every other x.0 OS X release.

Yep. I've had more things quit on me over the last 2 days than have quit on me over the last month >_< Half considering going back to Leopard >_<

On a slightly positive note, I finished version 2.0.1 of my QuickTime X Hidden Preferences scripts.

Added a cool icon for when you have the DMG mounted

http://web.me.com/celebi23/QuickTimeXScripts/Main.html

 

[mrkgoo]

So from the last few pages I guess Snow Leopard is just as buggy as every other x.0 OS X release.

It's the first one I jumped into on release. I started with 10.3, but bought machine during the grace period for 10.4. I didn't install it until it hit like a .3 release. I had 10.4 until early 2008, when I bought a machine with Leopard preinstalled.

I wouldn't say it's out of the realm of bugginess, but I'm pretty happy. Colour management is pretty much my only issue, and that wasn't perfect in any other release ever. Oh yeah, and the four finger bug.

The only other problem I had was compiling a 64-bit unix app, but I was given a fix. You will always get some 3rd party apps or process not being fully functional.

Had a Safari crash and some widgets crash (these have been updated).

But really, I don't think it's all that bad.



Barkley Justice: Are you for real? It's an OS - these kind of need to be on a disc to be bootable. The installer has no serial - how will people buy this? Do you expect everyone who wants to upgrade their Os to have a broadband account, plus an account with Apple? I mean you act like Apple is the only company ever to use discs or something.

Mecha_infantry: I have 4 GB ram, and it reports as 4GB in my Activity Monitor.

 

[Kryten]

I liked the old Applications stack - is there any way to reduce the icon size and remove scrolling when in grid view? I've been looking and can't find anything configurable at all.

 

[mrkgoo]

I liked the old Applications stack - is there any way to reduce the icon size and remove scrolling when in grid view? I've been looking and can't find anything configurable at all.

I don't think so. I preferred the old way too. So much so, that I switched to list view.

 

[freshair]

Anyone know why this happens on Safari sometimes?

I get a blue question mark as if the link is broken, but when going to the source, the link is active/good. Refreshing gives the same result. :\

 

[mrkgoo]

Anyone know why this happens on Safari sometimes?

I get a blue question mark as if the link is broken, but when going to the source, the link is active/good. Refreshing gives the same result. :\

I always thought it was because my connection was too slow, so it ended up not loading one of the images. A refresh probably tries from cache, and it's not in the cache.

Maybe. Safari does a lot of things. Or rather doesn't do a lot, as it were.

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

I don't think so. I preferred the old way too. So much so, that I switched to list view.

Ewww. Really? Different strokes I guess.

 

[Jasoco]

once again, apple proves how non-green they are.

hey apple, there's this new thing called digital content delivery. it's crazy. you can buy software online and download it. i know, it's totally nuts.

but hey, thanks for shipping out all of those OS discs. i am sure the carbon emissions the USPS will kick up during delivery will be rad. oh, and thanks for the manufacturing carbon emissions too on those dvds as well as the trees you'll be choppin down for the packaging. good job there.

Oh shut up. Talk to the console companies who still ship games on discs inside big plastic boxes. This is the least packaging they've ever used. INCLUDING the 10.1 upgrade. Also, USPS is going to use those emissions no matter what. They deliver all the time and until people stop sending mail, they will continue to do so whether you order an OS or not.

So from the last few pages I guess Snow Leopard is just as buggy as every other x.0 OS X release.

Yep. I've had more things quit on me over the last 2 days than have quit on me over the last month >_< Half considering going back to Leopard >_<

I don't have any problems. So you two must have fucked up your computers. Mine is working fine and nothing crashes. Even with a broken fan that causes the processor to heat up to 90ºC if I try to do anything processor intensive.

 

[Not a Jellyfish]

Oh shut up. Talk to the console companies who still ship games on discs inside big plastic boxes. This is the least packaging they've ever used. INCLUDING the 10.1 upgrade. Also, USPS is going to use those emissions no matter what. They deliver all the time and until people stop sending mail, they will continue to do so whether you order an OS or not.


I don't have any problems. So you two must have fucked up your computers. Mine is working fine and nothing crashes. Even with a broken fan that causes the processor to heat up to 90ºC if I try to do anything processor intensive.

His point was that Apple does parade how "green" they are, most console companies do not (at least not in their commercials). Saying that the USPS is going to use those emissions regardless is giving an excuse.

 

[WordAssassin]

Oh shut up. Talk to the console companies who still ship games on discs inside big plastic boxes. This is the least packaging they've ever used. INCLUDING the 10.1 upgrade. Also, USPS is going to use those emissions no matter what. They deliver all the time and until people stop sending mail, they will continue to do so whether you order an OS or not.

Plus isn't there inherently a problem with trying to write an operating system to a drive while the file it's writing from, is on the drive it's writing to? Wouldn't the installer need to be, I don't know, on a disc or something?

Edit: how is it Apple's problem at all if another company is making emissions?

 

[Ashhong]

is the dock "ledge" (the thing under all the icons) a lighter color than before? i think THAT is why i think my icons were brighter before, the contrast is gone. it seems more white or transparent now

 

[Juice]

Yep. I've had more things quit on me over the last 2 days than have quit on me over the last month >_< Half considering going back to Leopard >_<

On a slightly positive note, I finished version 2.0.1 of my QuickTime X Hidden Preferences scripts.

Added a cool icon for when you have the DMG mounted

http://web.me.com/celebi23/QuickTimeXScripts/Main.html

Awesome, awesome work!

You know, you can simplify your install process somewhat. To have the scripts appear specifically in QuickTime Player X only, just drop the scripts in a folder named

`~/Library/Scripts/Applications/Quicktime Player`

And when QuickTime Player is open, the menu item will always appear and allow you to directly choose the QT scripts.

 

[Jasoco]

Edit: how is it Apple's problem at all if another company is making emissions?

That's what I wanted to know! Like all of a sudden Apple is in charge of the United States Postal Service.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

His point was that Apple does parade how "green" they are, most console companies do not (at least not in their commercials). Saying that the USPS is going to use those emissions regardless is giving an excuse.

Apple says they have the greenest notebooks on the planet, not that they have the greenest everything they ever do on the planet.

 

[Ashhong]

Awesome, awesome work!

You know, you can simplify your install process somewhat. To have the scripts appear specifically in QuickTime Player X only, just drop the scripts in a folder named

`~/Library/Scripts/Applications/Quicktime Player`

And when QuickTime Player is open, the menu item will always appear and allow you to directly choose the QT scripts.

what is the ~? is it the user folder or Macintosh HD folder?

it would be EVEN EASIER if you provided a shortcut in the DMG file like other programs do, where all you have to do is drag an icon over

 

[Futureman]

Plus isn't there inherently a problem with trying to write an operating system to a drive while the file it's writing from, is on the drive it's writing to? Wouldn't the installer need to be, I don't know, on a disc or something?

This is what I was thinking. Not sure if there's a way around that.

As for 10.6 being buggy... it seems like if you have a ton of little apps and utilities you run, then maybe things aren't all working properly, but that happens with every major OS upgrade (Apple or not).

I pretty much just leave everything stock and I'm loving the smoothness and and snappiness of everything.

 

[Stryder]

Is there actually some kind of household diary compatible with snow leopard? Something where you can enter how much money you spend every day etc. I used to have a real one while I was living in Japan. It comes in handy when you're wondering where all your money goes :lol.

Try out Cha-ching, there is a version for iPhone as well and they work together.

 

[mrkgoo]

what is the ~? is it the user folder or Macintosh HD folder?

it would be EVEN EASIER if you provided a shortcut in the DMG file like other programs do, where all you have to do is drag an icon over

~ is the user.

In Linux/Unix "/" represents the root directory, and "~/" is the user home directory.

Futureman, I thought about that too, but I think it's technically possible, but it has to be written into the firmware or something to read a script that tells it exactly what to do. It's done in consoles, but then, they are much simpler systems and can probably just have a whole chunk dropped in and out. A computer OS is perhaps little more difficult, especially if you want to retain certain things but dump others. But I'm sure it's possible. It wouldn't be the best way to install an operating system, I would think.

 

[Ashhong]

~ is the user.

In Linux/Unix "/" represents the root directory, and "~/" is the user home directory.

well i put it in that folder and it doesnt work. i assume we dont have to have the "enable scripts" dialog checked to make this work right? what would be the point otherwise.

also the dmg i downloaded again still has the enable/disable folders and the blue label, isnt that the old file?

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Apple says they have the greenest notebooks on the planet, not that they have the greenest everything they ever do on the planet.

Seems I was beaten.

 

[celebi23]

Awesome, awesome work!

You know, you can simplify your install process somewhat. To have the scripts appear specifically in QuickTime Player X only, just drop the scripts in a folder named

`~/Library/Scripts/Applications/Quicktime Player`

And when QuickTime Player is open, the menu item will always appear and allow you to directly choose the QT scripts.

Thanks! That works a lot better. I've added another dialog to remind the user to restart QuickTime to see the changes

what is the ~? is it the user folder or Macintosh HD folder?

it would be EVEN EASIER if you provided a shortcut in the DMG file like other programs do, where all you have to do is drag an icon over

I'm trying to figure that out. It'd be something like "Macintosh HD/Users/Library/Scripts/Applications/" & then you'd drag the "QuickTime Player Scripts" folder onto the Alias. Having some problems creating the symlink though. Here's what I've got so far:

ln -s /Users/"UserDefinedName"/Library/Scripts/Applications Applications

I'm trying to create a universal symlink to that folder.

well i put it in that folder and it doesnt work. i assume we dont have to have the "enable scripts" dialog checked to make this work right? what would be the point otherwise.

also the dmg i downloaded again still has the enable/disable folders and the blue label, isnt that the old file?

That's weird. I just downloaded it & didn't see the things that you're seeing

 

[Sean]

I may be the only person with mobileme here, but has anyone tried syncing their keychains?

I've never done it before and now seems like a good time to start, just wondering if there are any problems/issues I should be aware of.

edit: also what does "Preferences" option synchronize? Just the system preferences, or your entire preferences folder?

 

[GDJustin]

I had 6.53 GB available prior to upgrading, and my computer is now showing 14.22 GB free. But I know a lot of these "gains" are a result of Snow Leopard calculating the size of a GB differently than leopard did.

So my Q is simple... is there any way I can find out how much space I actually gained?

Edit: my amount of free HD space is fluctuating by the minute o.0 - and not by small amounts, either. It went from 14.22 up to 16, and is now at 14.63 available.

 

[Phobophile]

I had 6.53 GB available prior to upgrading, and my cimputer is now showing 14.22 GB free. But I know a lot of these "gains" are a result of Snow Leopard calculating the size of a GB differently than leopard did.

So my Q is simple... is there any way I can find out how much space I actually gained?

Wait, it's measuring storage in decimal instead of binary now?

 

[GDJustin]

Wait, it's measuring storage in decimal instead of binary now?

Yes, they switched to metric - base 10.

 

[mrkgoo]

I had 6.53 GB available prior to upgrading, and my computer is now showing 14.22 GB free. But I know a lot of these "gains" are a result of Snow Leopard calculating the size of a GB differently than leopard did.

So my Q is simple... is there any way I can find out how much space I actually gained?

Edit: my amount of free HD space is fluctuating by the minute o.0 - and not by small amounts, either. It went from 14.22 up to 16, and is now at 14.63 available.

From above (c/o Giga): Open console ->Files -> /private/var/log -> install.log, search for "reap".

To calculate older style GB, subtract around 7-8%

 

[Big Chief Crazy Cone]

It's working as designed. It would defeat the purpose of permissions if you could just look at any OSX user's files from windows. You probably have to change the permissions of the folders from within osx.

The permissions are correct. "Everyone" can read. I can't even seem to do that.

 

[celebi23]

Ok, added something cool to my scripts. So, here's the new dialog:

See the restart button? It closes & then reopens QuickTime Player so the new preference can be set

Took a little bit of messing around to find the right variable for restart. Wasn't that or close. It was just quit :lol

display dialog "Please restart QuickTime Player for the preference changes to take effect." & return buttons {"Restart QuickTime"} default button 1 with icon alias ((path to me) & "Contents:Resources:QuickTimeXScripts.icns" as string)
copy the result as list to {restartButton}

if restartButton is "Restart QuickTime" then
	tell application "QuickTime Player" to quit
	tell application "QuickTime Player" to activate
end if

Which version of the dialog do you like? The first or the second? Trying to decide which icon to use.

 

[Ashhong]

so...when i open your dmg i get this still, notice the labels and the date modified..

 

[celebi23]

so...when i open your dmg i get this still, notice the labels and the date modified..

That is really weird. I've downloaded it from the 4 computers in my house & I'm only seeing the latest version that I put up. Maybe it has something to do with the filename? I changed it for the next version (2.1). Should have it uploaded in about 5 minutes. Just fixing some small graphical problems.

 

[celebi23]

Created a new topic just for the QuickTime X Hidden Preferences Scripts

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=17363408

Finished version 2.1. Ashhong, let me know if the new version works for you

 

[Alfarif]

Anyone else experiencing constant or near constant crashing from:

Handbrake
MPEG Streamclip
iMovie
Garageband

It's driving me nuts. At this point, I think I will have to do a complete reinstall. The compatibility charts says it's all right, but Handbrake crashes when I try to load a source file into it, and MPEG Streamclip crashes when I try to export something. Garageband and iMovie just do it randomly... I wish Apple would let you save your projects in iMovie whenever you wanted. Ugh.

 

[celebi23]

Anyone else experiencing constant or near constant crashing from:

Handbrake
MPEG Streamclip
iMovie
Garageband

It's driving me nuts. At this point, I think I will have to do a complete reinstall. The compatibility charts says it's all right, but Handbrake crashes when I try to load a source file into it, and MPEG Streamclip crashes when I try to export something. Garageband and iMovie just do it randomly... I wish Apple would let you save your projects in iMovie whenever you wanted. Ugh.

I've had more apps crash on me in the last 2 days than apps that have crashed in the last month >_< Luckily I don't have any actual important work to do. I've lost tons of coding work though. Been working on a few iPhone apps. Did a major revision. Went to save. Got the spinning beachball. Error report pops up >_< x_x

 

[mrkgoo]

I've had more apps crash on me in the last 2 days than apps that have crashed in the last month >_< Luckily I don't have any actual important work to do. I've lost tons of coding work though. Been working on a few iPhone apps. Did a major revision. Went to save. Got the spinning beachball. Error report pops up >_< x_x

I've had Safari crash on me, and a widget. But then, I'm not doing anything much else.

 

[Alfarif]

I've had more apps crash on me in the last 2 days than apps that have crashed in the last month >_< Luckily I don't have any actual important work to do. I've lost tons of coding work though. Been working on a few iPhone apps. Did a major revision. Went to save. Got the spinning beachball. Error report pops up >_< x_x

Between the iMovie and Garageband crash, I lost two perfect takes of a 3 minute segment of my video podcast (recording straight into Garageband), and untold time due to iMovie crashing in the middle of encoding my project, or crashing me out of the project completely.

I typically use Handbrake to shrink my iTunes files down so that the bandwith from my server isn't destroyed from people downloading (all 200 of them), but it refused to work, so I tried MPEG Streamclip. It was acting funky, forcing me to use iMovie's iPhone resolution encoding, which makes the files almost 50% larger. Great.

As for Safari, it crashed on me while uploading to Youtube, but downloading the latest Flash plugin seemed to fix it.

GAH! Everything was so smooth on Friday and over the weekend it's like my Mac is possessed.

 

[pj]

Having some temperature issues again..

I had VMWare fusion running for a little while and when I quit, my temps didn't drop. It's been about 30-40 minutes and the cpu is still sitting at 65C. Activity monitor doesn't show anything using the cpu, so I'm not sure what's going on. This happened once before two days ago, but I can't remember if I had been using fusion.

Anyone with VMWare fusion seen this?

 

[Mailenstein]

Try out Cha-ching, there is a version for iPhone as well and they work together.

Thanks mate ! I hope this will work with SL, since thats what I was exactly looking for. And having a iPhone App which can be synched is just awesome!

 

[dream]

Ugh, anyone else having weird wifi problems with Snow Leopard installed? I'm no longer seeing most of the APs that are around me (and showed up just fine in Leopard) and I keep getting disconnected from my own router (WRT54GL running Tomato). Option-clicking on the wifi bars shows my transmit speed fluctuating between 11 and 54mbps most of the time too.

Fucking annoying.

whew, it's not just me: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2135064&tstart=30

 

[hirokazu]

Make sure you don't have any dying HD's. The only times I've ever had horrible freezing was OS X's way of telling me the HD it is trying to access is dying a silent painful death.

Well the problem doesn't appear limited to any specific HD as I originally thought. And it's only happened in Snow Leopard. I'm hedging my bets on a problem in Snow Leopard, unless it's really a terrible coincidence that it happened so soon after upgrading.

 

[Blindfutur3]

From above (c/o Giga): Open console ->Files -> /private/var/log -> install.log, search for "reap".

To calculate older style GB, subtract around 7-8%

Apparently I've gained 17.7GB after subtracting the 7-8% :\

 

[infiniteloop]

I don't want to jinx it, but 10.6.0 is nice and stable, much better than 10.5.0. No problems so far.

 

[scorcho]

Thought this was an issue in the opengl benchmarks I ran, but it's nice to some minor reports confirming this - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=macosx_106_benchmarks&num=13
Hope this includes ATI's opencl driver, which is orders of magnitudes slower than nvidia's driver.

 

[Lord Error]

Installed 10.6 without a hitch, it regained some 5GB for me (I already had deleted everything that could have been deleted from Leopard, and compressed every app that could have been compressed). While I appreciate that, I don't appreciate performance loss in many aspects of the UI, and particularly new QuickTime. I have a lowly 1600MHz CPU, but I was hoping SL would be faster all around, not faster in some places, slower in others. New Expose has nice new functionality, but doesn't animate as smoothly as before, and even "show desktop" now skips frames when animating windows off, where it was perfectly smooth before.

New Quicktime not only misses all the great exporting abilities (so I still have to keep the QT7 Pro around) but the playback is much slower on AVI and WMV files, using Perian and Flip4Mac. Does anyone know why is this? If I play the same videos in QT7, they play just as fine as before. I'm finding myself switching more and more to MPlayer OSX Extended, where I rarely had to use it before.

I also don't like how Mail now mixes emails and Notes in the same list. Any way to disable this? The font used on Notes clashes so badly with mails in the list, that it boggles the mind someone at Apple thought this was a good idea.

I also noticed Skype crashed when placing a call once, which never happened before. It worked fine after that. I think it will take some time for all applications to be upgraded to 64bit, so that the OS doesn't have to juggle things. Safari I need to keep in 32bit as the plugins I use all the time don't work otherwise. I hope I'm just losing javascript execution speed this way.

 

[ckohler]

Anyone else experiencing constant or near constant crashing from:

Handbrake
MPEG Streamclip
iMovie
Garageband

I used Handbrake like five times this weekend with Snow Leopard and it never crashed.