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Official Mac OS X Snow Leopard thread of Shipping 8/28!!

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mrkgoo

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Lord Error said:
Argh, crap! I think I have just messed up my SL Safari by using XSlimmer on it. It doesn't recognize that it's in 32bit mode anymore, and none of the plugins work. Would it be too much for some good soul to zip up just the Safari EXE file and upload it somewhere. It's a freeware app after all, but Apple doesn't have it as a separate download for Snow Leopard yet (the Leopard Version won't install). I really don't feel like repairing/reinstalling the whole OS again just because of this.

Will pacifist help in extracting the safari pkg from the install disc?
 

Shanks

Member
What is up with the fan and the heat? Seems like right after I installed SL the fan is constantly going and audible whereas before I barely ever heard it. It also seems to be hotter and using more CPU according to iStat...
 

Ignignort

Member
Did a fresh install, didn't want any of my Applications to carry over. Seems ok, worth the $39 (Australian) for me simply for Exchange working in mail. :D
 

Futureman

Member
Shanks said:
What is up with the fan and the heat? Seems like right after I installed SL the fan is constantly going and audible whereas before I barely ever heard it. It also seems to be hotter and using more CPU according to iStat...

Weird. What Mac are you using?

I have a 3 year old iMac that was pretty quiet, then the fan ran A LOT under Leopard. The fan seems to run a lot less on SL now...

EDIT: actually not really, fans still goin'.
 

sc0la

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peppermints said:
Anyone found a way to get a clear dock in Snow Leopard yet? i.e., no glass dock or Tiger style dock, just floating icons?
My clear dock from leopard carried over. That's weird

EDIT: have you tried the terminal commands that worked in leopard and tried them, they should work again if they still work for me after the install
 
Yeah, it just defaulted to the Tiger-style dock that it uses when you have the dock set to be on the left/right side of the screen.

I used the commands to get it back to the glass dock, but no luck on icon only dock.
 

sc0la

Unconfirmed Member
peppermints said:
Yeah, it just defaulted to the Tiger-style dock that it uses when you have the dock set to be on the left/right side of the screen.

I used the commands to get it back to the glass dock, but no luck on icon only dock.
Oh I see. I misunderstood your question, I thought you wanted the tiger dock with no glass, didn't see you wanted an icon only dock.

edit: got your PM, I have "tiger" type dock, not floating icons dock sorry.
 

Killthee

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scola said:
A few beachballs here and there but nothing major yet. for future reference how do I make a bootable dg backup anyway, I have never tried that.
Its very easy. First thing you have to do is make sure the drive/partition you want to backup can be unmounted. That means you can't make a backup of a drive you're currently using, so if you want to make a backup of your system partition you have to boot into an OS X installation disc and run Disk Utility off of it. Once you open Disk Utility you select the partition/DVD you want to backup -> Click the New Image icon -> then select the folder you want to save the DMG to and that's it.

When you need to restore the DMG you boot into installation disc Disk Utility if your destination drive is can't be unmounted -> setup the drive first with whatever partitions you want -> Images -> Scan Image For Restore..... -> Wait for the long scan -> select the drive -> Restore tab -> Drag the DMG you scanned to the Source -> Drag the partition you want to restore it to Destination -> Check mark Erase Destination if its not checked marked -> Restore.

Shanks said:
What is up with the fan and the heat? Seems like right after I installed SL the fan is constantly going and audible whereas before I barely ever heard it. It also seems to be hotter and using more CPU according to iStat...
Same.... : /

peppermints said:
Anyone found a way to get a clear dock in Snow Leopard yet? i.e., no glass dock or Tiger style dock, just floating icons?
Like this?

Screenshot2009-08-31at141548PM.jpg


It shouldn't be too hard, just make the Dock 2D and then replace the dock background images with a transparent set. Here's the background images you need.
 
No worries, I probably wasn't very clear anyway. First day of classes/work, a bit tired. :lol

So is there a running list of commonly used apps that have released 64 bit versions or is the best method to just wait until the apps themselves inform you of an update?
 

Maximus.

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im waiting to get snow leopard, since sometime this week my school apple store is gettin it in. Just wondering if anyone thinks that apple may one day allow the ability to change the silver metal look into a color or something. I noticed that quicktime X is black? would be sick if all the UI was black too. I still like the silver, but i like changing it up sometimes lol.
 

mrkgoo

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Kill Thee, is that a hack to show the menu bar as Month, date? I have a New Zealand region format, and when I click the menubar, it's right, but if I add it into the menubar, it's the crazy American way.
 

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mrkgoo said:
Kill Thee, is that a hack to show the menu bar as Month, date? I have a New Zealand region format, and when I click the menubar, it's right, but if I add it into the menubar, it's the crazy American way.


you can customize it however you want. 'Open Date & Time' then click the 'Open International...' button at the bottom of the screen. Select the 'Formats' tab, click 'Customize'
 

mrkgoo

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quadriplegicjon said:
you can customize it however you want. 'Open Date & Time' then click the 'Open International...' button at the bottom of the screen. Select the 'Formats' tab, click 'Customize'

That's my point - no matter how I adjust it, when it shows up in the menu bar, the month is always before the date, no matter how I adjust it in formats. It's fine in the drop down menu from the menu bar, but the menu bar is always month/date.

10dur91.png
 

celebi23

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I hate to crosspost but, I'm in need of advice from AppleScript users/developers

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=17380906

celebi23 said:
I almost have the Recent Items selection all set up. It still won't make the selection though >_< The script won't open when I'm in QuickTime (via the script menu. all of the others open just fine. Have to run it from the AppleScript Editor to test it out). All of the individual Terminal commands work just fine though. Oh & there's an invalid connection with QuickTime apparently >_<

Recent_Items.png


Code:
set recentItems to {"None", "5", "10", "15", "20", "30", "50"}

display dialog (choose from list recentItems with prompt "Select the amount of Recent Items.")


if recentItems is "None" then
	do shell script "defaults write com.apple.QuickTimePlayerX NSRecentDocumentsLimit 0"
else if recentItems is "5" then
	do shell script "defaults write com.apple.QuickTimePlayerX NSRecentDocumentsLimit 5"
else if recentItems is "10" then
	do shell script "defaults write com.apple.QuickTimePlayerX NSRecentDocumentsLimit 10"
else if recentItems is "15" then
	do shell script "defaults write com.apple.QuickTimePlayerX NSRecentDocumentsLimit 15"
else if recentItems is "20" then
	do shell script "defaults write com.apple.QuickTimePlayerX NSRecentDocumentsLimit 20"
else if recentItems is "30" then
	do shell script "defaults write com.apple.QuickTimePlayerX NSRecentDocumentsLimit 30"
else if recentItems is "50" then
	do shell script "defaults write com.apple.QuickTimePlayerX NSRecentDocumentsLimit 50"
end if

display dialog "Please restart QuickTime Player for the preference changes to take effect." & return buttons {"Restart QuickTime Player"} default button 1 with icon alias ((path to me) & "Contents:Resources:QuickTimePlayerX_128.icns" as string)
copy the result as list to {restartButton}

if restartButton is "Restart QuickTime Player" then
	tell application "QuickTime Player" to quit
	tell application "QuickTime Player" to open
end if

Still trying to figure out how to include the "Restore Defaults" button. The code would be something like this. It would go before the restart dialog. Not sure where in the code to include the "Restore Defaults" button though >_<

Code:
if theButton is "Restore Defaults" then
	do shell script "defaults delete com.apple.QuickTimePlayerX NSRecentDocumentsLimit"
end if
 

Killthee

helped a brotha out on multiple separate occasions!
mrkgoo said:
That's my point - no matter how I adjust it, when it shows up in the menu bar, the month is always before the date, no matter how I adjust it in formats. It's fine in the drop down menu from the menu bar, but the menu bar is always month/date.

10dur91.png
Seems like its a bug that affects all date/month regions except for the U.K...... : /

nac5.png

jagj.png


For now, try switching to U.K. region in Language and Text and then turn off the 24 hour clock if it bugs you so much.
 

hirokazu

Member
Killthee said:
Seems like its a bug that affects all date/month regions except for the U.K...... : /

nac5.png

jagj.png


For now, try switching to U.K. region in Language and Text and then turn off the 24 hour clock if it bugs you so much.
WTF is that transparent About This Mac dialog?
 

sk3

Banned
So is there no way to get a custom date in the menu bar anymore? I know SL has built in support for day and date, but it's ugly "Tue Sep 1".

In 10.5 I had "Tuesday, September 1st 2009". I can't seem to make 10.6 do that.
 

Mar

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LCfiner said:
hey, kinda cool… The Ars review, on page 6, links to Robert Ashley’s A Life Well Wasted podcast. (new episode just went up today)

Siracusa has great taste in gaming podcasts :)

Yeah I noticed that too. So awesome.

The review is all kinds of amazing. I'm halfway through... Finish the other half tomorrow. It's giving me an all new insight in OS specifics.
 
Hey GAF, I'm having a rather stranger problem here.

On my Mac Mini, it seems that the contrast color is buggy and hold on purple



While, with the exact same settings, it's blue on my MBA...



I tried to ajust colors, gamma, contrast, but it's still purple. I've been in system options but I can't figured out why it's purple and not blue... Anyone got a clue ? Is it a bug ? Or am I missing something ?
 

hirokazu

Member
UnluckyKate said:
Hey GAF, I'm having a rather stranger problem here.

On my Mac Mini, it seems that the contrast color is buggy and hold on purple



While, with the exact same settings, it's blue on my MBA...



I tried to ajust colors, gamma, contrast, but it's still purple. I've been in system options but I can't figured out why it's purple and not blue... Anyone got a clue ? Is it a bug ? Or am I missing something ?
System Preferences > Appearance > Highlight color: Change this from Purple to Blue?

Otherwise, no idea, looks kinda cool though.
 

mrkgoo

Member
UnluckyKate said:
Hey GAF, I'm having a rather stranger problem here.

On my Mac Mini, it seems that the contrast color is buggy and hold on purple



While, with the exact same settings, it's blue on my MBA...



I tried to ajust colors, gamma, contrast, but it's still purple. I've been in system options but I can't figured out why it's purple and not blue... Anyone got a clue ? Is it a bug ? Or am I missing something ?
Do you have a custom color profile? In my experience blues suffer the most from the use of older color profiles, and traditionally, Macs have had issues with some blues (like some are colour managed but others not).

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=8908549&tstart=0

For example, in iCal, an event with a bullet point in blue have yet and bullet as the same shade with the default profile, but the text becomes purple on a custom (bullet remains blue).
 
hirokazu said:
WTF is that transparent About This Mac dialog?

It's a HUD mod. A lot of that is just replacing a lot of the core services resources with new images, sometimes you also have to play around in terminal to get it to look like that. My Adium chat windows look like that right now.
 

hirokazu

Member
BrandNew said:
It's a HUD mod. A lot of that is just replacing a lot of the core services resources with new images, sometimes you also have to play around in terminal to get it to look like that. My Adium chat windows look like that right now.
I'm guessing you just find and open the right NIB file and change the window type and save it? Didn't Apple start removing NIB fiiles or making them unable to be opened in Interface Builder?

Or is this done using some other technique?
 

Lord Error

Insane For Sony
mrkgoo said:
Will pacifist help in extracting the safari pkg from the install disc?
The only Pacifist I know of is an Atari ST emulator, but I'm looking into this now. Crap, Safari seems near useless now without Glims...
 
The Nvidia drivers in Snow Leopard for at least the 9400M definitely need some work. I'm watching the 720p 30fps version of Co-Op using Quicktime X and getting stuttering out the wazoo, where as the video would play back smooth as butter under Leopard. I've also had lots of subpar framerates/stuttering with Expose and Spaces half the time.

Clean Install, BTW.
 
hirokazu said:
System Preferences > Appearance > Highlight color: Change this from Purple to Blue?

Otherwise, no idea, looks kinda cool though.

No, I've tried that already and the Highlight color is blue, as always been blue...

mrkgoo said:
Do you have a custom color profile? In my experience blues suffer the most from the use of older color profiles, and traditionally, Macs have had issues with some blues (like some are colour managed but others not).

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=8908549&tstart=0

For example, in iCal, an event with a bullet point in blue have yet and bullet as the same shade with the default profile, but the text becomes purple on a custom (bullet remains blue).

Sound like my problem, but... What's a custom color profile ? I can't think of anything named like this that I might have ever download...
 

mrkgoo

Member
UnluckyKate said:
No, I've tried that already and the Highlight color is blue, as always been blue...



Sound like my problem, but... What's a custom color profile ? I can't think of anything named like this that I might have ever download...

If you'r not using a custom colour profile, then it may not be your issue, unless the profile is being treated differently.

Believe me colour management is poorly understood even by professionals - I have no clue to the depths of it all. As a brief overview, however, colour management is basically the system used to standardise colour viewing across everything from displays to printers. Ever print a photo and the colours come out slightly different? Partially that's to do with different colour spaces, but also could be due to poor management.

Traditionally, Macs have been colour managed through the entire system, and I believe have been a big reason why they've been so dominant in the graphics and design market where colour management is crucial.

Every single display has different display properties, brightness, contrast, colours. Even two computers with the exact same display will have subtle differences. In Mac OS X every display panel has its own profile attached. This profile is basically like a 'target output' - when a picture is displayed (which has its own profile), the display reads the image, its associated profile and tries to translate that with the target of the display profile.

That blue/purple thing in my link above is a really weird consequence of custom profiles and how the blue is translated. I'm not sure if it has ever been figured out as you can see from that link, and it may not be related to your issue, as if you were unaware of it, it's unlikely you ever modified it.

But for your testing, if you got to System Preferences -> Displays -> Color, that will show you what profile is currently set. The default is normally Color-LCD, but this file is generated from a library in Mac OS X depending on the panel manufacturer/model. That is my Color-LCD profile would be different from yours, and it would certainly be different from your Mac Mini (I'm not actually sure what a Mac Mini uses).
 

mrkgoo

Member
Lord Error said:
The only Pacifist I know of is an Atari ST emulator, but I'm looking into this now. Crap, Safari seems near useless now without Glims...
Pacifist is a shareware app that can investigate mac os x .pkg files before you install them. Traditionally, it has been used to install only parts of packages, say, the iLife suite from an osx install disc, or separate default apps. There are nefarious ways to use it too. Not sure about use in snow leopard, however.

More details visit charlesoft.com.
 

Lord Error

Insane For Sony
mrkgoo said:
Pacifist is a shareware app that can investigate mac os x .pkg files before you install them. Traditionally, it has been used to install only parts of packages, say, the iLife suite from an osx install disc, or separate default apps. There are nefarious ways to use it too. Not sure about use in snow leopard, however.

More details visit charlesoft.com.
Actually, now I remember that I think I made a time machine backup right before I started compressing things. Thanks for the pacifist advice though, that will come in handy some day for sure.

Mr. Wonderful said:
The Nvidia drivers in Snow Leopard for at least the 9400M definitely need some work. I'm watching the 720p 30fps version of Co-Op using Quicktime X and getting stuttering out the wazoo, where as the video would play back smooth as butter under Leopard. I've also had lots of subpar framerates/stuttering with Expose and Spaces half the time.

Clean Install, BTW.
Same here with Intel X3100. I would think it was crappy GPU, but same things worked perfectly under Leopard. Much of the problem is in regards to new Quicktime. Even under SL, videos play just fine with QT7. I only have this problem with AVI and WMV videos though, MP4s play fine just as before. I'm considering ditching QTX altogether. It s a step back in every conceivable way to me.

Expose stutters for me all the time now as well, whereas before it was perfect 60FPS pretty much no matter how many open windows I had.
 

giga

Member
Thoroughly enjoying the Ars review. In several ways, it makes 10.6 seem like a much bigger release than 10.4/10.5 due to all the under hood transitions Apple has done. (or is continuing to do)
 

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Foob said:
Google Chrome is pretty sweet...
You made me get excited that they finally released Chrome for Mac...bah...
 

White Man

Member
RubxQub said:
You made me get excited that they finally released Chrome for Mac...bah...

A new dev build was released early today. It's almost ready for prime time. I can't imagine it will be all that much longer before it is released.
 

panda21

Member
are you talking about the daily chromium builds, or that google 'dev' version, thats basically the same but was called google chrome?

chromium has been getting better and better and flash seems to work most of the time now, but it still feels slower than safari to me and some of its rendering is pretty fugly (even google.com looks much better in safari). i dont like the default grey theme either and the custom ones all suck.
 
mrkgoo said:
If you'r not using a custom colour profile, then it may not be your issue, unless the profile is being treated differently.

Believe me colour management is poorly understood even by professionals - I have no clue to the depths of it all. As a brief overview, however, colour management is basically the system used to standardise colour viewing across everything from displays to printers. Ever print a photo and the colours come out slightly different? Partially that's to do with different colour spaces, but also could be due to poor management.

Traditionally, Macs have been colour managed through the entire system, and I believe have been a big reason why they've been so dominant in the graphics and design market where colour management is crucial.

Every single display has different display properties, brightness, contrast, colours. Even two computers with the exact same display will have subtle differences. In Mac OS X every display panel has its own profile attached. This profile is basically like a 'target output' - when a picture is displayed (which has its own profile), the display reads the image, its associated profile and tries to translate that with the target of the display profile.

That blue/purple thing in my link above is a really weird consequence of custom profiles and how the blue is translated. I'm not sure if it has ever been figured out as you can see from that link, and it may not be related to your issue, as if you were unaware of it, it's unlikely you ever modified it.

But for your testing, if you got to System Preferences -> Displays -> Color, that will show you what profile is currently set. The default is normally Color-LCD, but this file is generated from a library in Mac OS X depending on the panel manufacturer/model. That is my Color-LCD profile would be different from yours, and it would certainly be different from your Mac Mini (I'm not actually sure what a Mac Mini uses).

Very interesseting facts here, that I had no idea about. It might be my problem (since the display I'm using for the Mac Mini kinda suck) but the colors seem normal when I'm comparing to others icons (Messenger or Photoshop) so maybe, this very blue/purple confusion is very specific... I guess it's not such a big deal anyway.
 

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To be honest, Firefox isn't nearly as bad as I remember and I'm not missing Safari nearly as much as I expected. Once I skinned Firefox with the "OSX" theme, it looks nice a purty and feels very much like Safari did...minus the blowing up on gifs.

I do miss me some Safari, but Firefox has been a good friend to me while I patiently wait for Multi-clutch to get updated or something to replace it.
 

Ashhong

Member
UnluckyKate said:
Very interesseting facts here, that I had no idea about. It might be my problem (since the display I'm using for the Mac Mini kinda suck) but the colors seem normal when I'm comparing to others icons (Messenger or Photoshop) so maybe, this very blue/purple confusion is very specific... I guess it's not such a big deal anyway.

your issue definitely seems like a bug. i say this because the white font inside of it is also messed up, so you know its not just a label issue. is it ONLY the firefox icon that has this problem? or is it all blue that looks purple?
 

LCfiner

Member
RubxQub said:
To be honest, Firefox isn't nearly as bad as I remember and I'm not missing Safari nearly as much as I expected. Once I skinned Firefox with the "OSX" theme, it looks nice a purty and feels very much like Safari did...minus the blowing up on gifs.

I do miss me some Safari, but Firefox has been a good friend to me while I patiently wait for Multi-clutch to get updated or something to replace it.


The GrApple Tangy theme is the one I found closest to Safari. (well, 3.0) quite nice.

yeah, I like the auto text correction stuff too much in safari to leave it but Firefox isn’t quite as shitty a Mac citizen as it once was :)

It’s startup time is still horrible, though
 
Hmm, just opened up VMWare Fusion, booted up XP, and after just a few minutes my MacBook (13" unibody) was blazing hot with the fans going full-pelt!

Don't remember it being this bad under Leopard...
 

thetrin

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RubxQub said:
To be honest, Firefox isn't nearly as bad as I remember and I'm not missing Safari nearly as much as I expected. Once I skinned Firefox with the "OSX" theme, it looks nice a purty and feels very much like Safari did...minus the blowing up on gifs.

I do miss me some Safari, but Firefox has been a good friend to me while I patiently wait for Multi-clutch to get updated or something to replace it.

I feel strangely lucky that I never knew about multiclutch until after SL came out and people were bitching about it. I don't feel like a disabled person trying to control a space station.
 

mrkgoo

Member
Ashhong said:
your issue definitely seems like a bug. i say this because the white font inside of it is also messed up, so you know its not just a label issue. is it ONLY the firefox icon that has this problem? or is it all blue that looks purple?

The top picture is more compressed, being a jpg - it's just compression artifacts.
 
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