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[Loki]

11-12 FTAs != 11-12 game fouls. More like 5 to 6 fouls. He also shoots techs, has the ball in clock fouling situations and is one of the best at converting and1s. Disregarding all that, you honestly don't think Kobe gets fouled 5 to 6 times per game? Give it a rest, Lokster :lol

No other star takes techs? No other star has the ball in in clock fouling situations? :lol This sounds supiciously like the "Well Kobe doesn't actually shoot 40% because he has to take a lot of bail out shots and end of quarter for the team"-- news flash: every great player does that. And what does "converting 'and-1's'" have to do with how many FT's he shoots? Sure, he has great body control and concentration to finish shots off while being fouled. And?


You're also acting as though there are 4 techs called every game and he shoots them all, and also as if every game is close enough that teams try to stop the clock at the end by fouling. But even these finer points are already granting you too much-- the fact is that all star players are in such positions all the time, so it evens out for everyone. Yet Kobe still shoots an inordinate amount of FT's, especially as a percentage of his offense.

 

[Cloudy]

No other star takes techs? No other star has the ball in in clock fouling situations?

Shaq doesn't and isn't that who you were comparing him to? Like I said, forget about those factors if you want.. Do you think Kobe doesn't get fouled 5 to 6 times a agame?

 

[Loki]

Shaq doesn't and isn't that who you were comparing him to? Like I said, forget about those factors if you want.. Do you think Kobe doesn't get fouled 5 to 6 times a agame?

Do you think Iverson doesn't? Wade doesn't? Why aren't they shooting 11.25 FT's per game, then? Why isn't 33% of their offense coming at the line? Why haven't they made more FT's than FG's?


All I'm saying is that Kobe can't put the ball in the hole at a decent rate. Period. Maybe next year he'll average 47% shooting and 10-11 made FG's per game with about 8-9 made FT's per game and I'll shut up. But he hasn't shown me anything this year. To have more made free throws than field goals is a joke imo. To constantly have lines like 7-23 FG and 14-15 FT is a joke. Not once in a while like all great players have-- all the time. Seemingly every game-- certainly nearly every time he drops 32+.

 

[Blackace]

Do you think Iverson doesn't? Wade doesn't? Why aren't they shooting 11.25 FT's per game, then? Why isn't 33% of their offense coming at the line? Why haven't they made more FT's than FG's?


All I'm saying is that Kobe can't put the ball in the hole at a decent rate. Period. Maybe next year he'll average 47% shooting and 10-11 made FG's per game with about 8-9 made FT's per game and I'll shut up. But he hasn't shown me anything this year. To have more made free throws than field goals is a joke imo. To constantly have lines like 7-23 FG and 14-15 FT is a joke. Not once in a while like all great players have-- all the time. Seemingly every game-- certainly nearly every time he drops 32+.

Cloudy...when Loki is right he is right (which isn't often mind you) :lol

 

[DarienA]

Do you think Iverson doesn't? Wade doesn't? Why aren't they shooting 11.25 FT's per game, then? Why isn't 33% of their offense coming at the line? Why haven't they made more FT's than FG's?


All I'm saying is that Kobe can't put the ball in the hole at a decent rate. Period. Maybe next year he'll average 47% shooting and 10-11 made FG's per game with about 8-9 made FT's per game and I'll shut up. But he hasn't shown me anything this year. To have more made free throws than field goals is a joke imo. To constantly have lines like 7-23 FG and 14-15 FT is a joke. Not once in a while like all great players have-- all the time. Seemingly every game-- certainly nearly every time he drops 32+.

Crap I wanna disagree with Loki so bad....

 

[Blackace]

Crap I wanna disagree with Loki so bad....

:lol :lol its rough isn't it

 

[Bat]

:lol Loki, you're entering dangerously pathetic territory. I have never seen someone so obsessed with Kobe Bryant (including Konex). Get over it, nobody really cares if he's making more FT than FG, and certainly no one wants to hear your minute by minute analysis of every game in this context. I can just imagine you hunched over NBA.com's live scoring and celebrating wildly each time he shoots a foul shot or misses a field goal...move one already.

EDIT- Loki, I just checked some stats, and you're very off base. Let's compare Dwayne Wade with Kobe Bryant:

Kobe Bryant (11.3 FTA/G) does shoot many more FT than Dwayne Wade (9.8 FTA/G). However, if you compare how many FTs they shoot relative to their total scoring (PPG), you find a very different picture. Kobe averages 0.402 FTA/PPG (which is high) but Wade clocks in at 0.411 FTA/PPG, which is significantly higher. So if anything, Dwayne Wade can attribute his offense to the ref's whistle much more than Kobe can. Also, the argument that Kobe Bryant hasn't been playing aggressively this year is borderline retarded. His TO rate (many of which come from being overagrresive when surrounded by multiple defenders) is a testimate to that.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

The thing is, if you watch the games, Wade's and AI's style of play is noticeably more aggressive overall than Kobe's is, which explains their attempts. What explains Kobe's? I used Shaq as an example because new rules or not, if people honestly feel that Kobe is getting fouled 12 times per game, then they have to believe that Shaq should have averaged about 17+ FT's back in the day. No two ways about it."

the fact that Kobe's getting to the line so much would tell me that he IS just as aggresive as those guys offensively, if not more. What else would explain that? Some kind of David Stern/ref conspiracy? If anything, his scoring AND free throws should be higher, cause the guy could stand to be MORE aggresive imo, settling for bad jumpers and threes too often. For someone who relies so much on blind statistics to form his opinions, you sure are selective all of a sudden. Comparisons with Shaq in this case are stupid, with Kobe or with any player, because in his prime (and even now) Shaq was fouled on almost EVERY play. He never got his fair shake of the calls, cause if he did, he'd probably go to the line like 25-30 times a game, easily (which would probably be more than the amount of FGs he had OMG A NOTHER PHONY!")

and, once again Loki, i am STILL waiting for you to explain why getting to the line so much is a bad thing. Just because its not done often, if ever. Besides the fact that "In your opinion" you don't like it.

 

[bionic77]

Cloudy...when Loki is right he is right (which isn't often mind you) :lol

Loki hasn't been right about anything for a few weeks now.

He is using the worst kind of logic, it would be like me somehow saying that what Peyton did was impossible because he wasn't Marino.

It is especially funny coming from the Jordan fan when he is always implying Kobe gets some sort of special treatment.

Loki you really need a new hobby. Watching tapes of Jordan and writing a thesis about why Kobe sucks is not healthy. There is a lot more you can do with your life.

Such as worshipping the messiah:

 

[DarienA]

I don't visit this thread nearly as much this season.... mostly because it isn't as fun... but it seems like everytime I do there's a Jordan vs. Kobe thing going on, in some form or fashion... am I getting an accurate take on the thread... or do I just have shitty timing?

 

[bionic77]

I don't visit this thread nearly as much this season.... mostly because it isn't as fun... but it seems like everytime I do there's a Jordan vs. Kobe thing going on, in some form or fashion... am I getting an accurate take on the thread... or do I just have shitty timing?

That is entirely the fault of Loki this year.

Edit: Now that I think about it, it isn't surprising at all that Loki keeps harping on this when everyone else has let it go and is focusing on idolizing Roethlisberger. Remember when the mods forbid everyone from bringing up those wonderful Kobe > MJ or MJ > Kobe posts during the playoffs? I remember Loki couldn't even last 5 minutes....

 

[Miguel]

Two things this thread could use more of....

 

[DarienA]

If I had any kinda of avatar know how I'd figure out how to combined that still christopher walken photo with say a whole bunch of the animated cowbell..... then back to the still christopher walken still...

 

[Cloudy]

Scoop Jackson now writes for ESPN.com

 

[etiolate]

Arco Arena needs more cowbell.

 

[Boomer]

Scoop Jackson now writes for ESPN.com

I read his article on the site...what a fucking idiot.

 

[BatiGOOOOOOL]

Check out this link:

http://216.173.232.173/hc/?team=1

Just enter 78219 when the site asks you for a ZIP Code.

It's a feature similar to MTV Cribs, done with Spurs players by SBC. First episode was Tony Parker's house and the episode released today is Devin Brown's house. And guess who was visiting? #21.

 

[bionic77]

This will make Konex's day. :lol

Shaq most obese player in NBA

Only four players assessed using the body-mass index (BMI) by The Associated Press made it all the way to the “obese” range, most notably — you guessed it — Miami Heat star Shaquille O’Neal.

 

[DarienA]

This will make Konex's day. :lol

Shaq most obese player in NBA

I read the article when it was on espn.com... I love the last paragraph.

And for those who persist in thinking Shaquille O’Neal is obese, he has a simple message: “You think that, stick to science. Top 50, three rings, lot of money, two mansions.”

 

[Cloudy]

AI with 13 TOs in an ugly loss to the Warriors at home. Not like he was careless with the rock but dude is trying to do waaay too much. Webber cannot succeeed in the kind of offense they're running....

 

[etiolate]

I haven't been able to watch any Philly games since the Kings one. I get the feeling they're wasting Webber's passing abilities.

 

[Cloudy]

Seriously. He only gets the ball on rebounds or for that little elbow jumber. He hardly gets to initiate the offense (where he's most comfortable) at all. To make matters worse, no one on the Sixers is that good at moving without the ball so they all stand and watch AI. It reminds me of the Lakers offense under Rudy Three *yuck*

 

[etiolate]

I've watched Korver some and he looks to move well around the court. Of course, these players aren't use to moving and expecting to get the ball. I just don't know how the Iverson Offense works.

And hey Iverson had more TOs than made FGs. Loki stat of the day!

 

[Bat]

Webber was booed by the Philly fans tonight. Ouch.

 

[Cloudy]

They booed AI and the rest too though :lol It's not like it's either of them's fault. O'brien is just not using the players right. Webber is shooting everytime he touches it cos he's not sure he'll see the rock again and it's not cos AI isn't trying to find guys (see the turnovers)

 

[etiolate]

Do they ever run pick n roll with Webber and AI? They could use the weaving triangle play the Kings run with Webber, Korver and AI.

 

[Cloudy]

Yeah, they run that a lot with AI kicking it back out to Webb. It doesn't help that Chris is ice cold right now though..

PS: Anyone watchng the Lakes/Clipps? Triangle offense being run to perfection

 

[BatiGOOOOOOL]

Once again, Bowen > Carter.

 

[Cloudy]

I thought Tim wasn't playing today? Anyways, I'm glad he's ok so he can help beat the Nuggets on Saturday

 

[BatiGOOOOOOL]

Tim admitted to being a little girl, saying he overreacts to pain, even when it's not so bad, like Sunday's ankle sprain. At least he is honest.

 

[Cloudy]

Kobe having a monster game

25, 2 and 2 with 1 block on 7-11 shooting at the half. Lakers by 8. I hope they can finish strong...

 

[bionic77]

Kobe having a monster game

25, 2 and 2 with 1 block on 7-11 shooting at the half. Lakers by 8. I hope they can finish strong...

He made 10 FTs too, I hope this doesn't give Loki a seizure.

Kobe has become a different player since his case was settled.

 

[Cloudy]

He made 10 FTs too, I hope this doesn't give Loki a seizure.

The Clipps were out of fouls with 5 minutes left in the 2nd but Loki can't tell that from the boxscore :lol

Kobe has become a different player since his case was settled.

I think the rest for his foot was the difference. He is attacking the rim everytime down the court now...

 

[DMczaf]

During the 1st quarter

(19:27:10) Konex2k4: lmao @ rockets
(19:27:13) Konex2k4: nice defense

Houston 21 29 22 72 End

Seattle 33 26 6 65 3rd

Thanks Konex!

 

[bionic77]

The Clipps were out of fouls with 5 minutes left in the 2nd but Loki can't tell that from the boxscore :lol



I think the rest for his foot was the difference. He is attacking the rim everytime down the court now...

I don't know, it seemed like all of this happened the day after his case settled. He is shooting about 50% since then and probably averaging about 30+ a game.

 

[Cloudy]

Look at his stats since the Utah game (2nd game back from injury)

 

[bionic77]

Look at his stats since the Utah game (2nd game back from injury)

He didn't play a lot before his case settled. And he is playing better than he was before he got injured too imho. Not like I can prove this, just a feeling.

 

[rc213]

This game is bleh. No one but Kobe came to play tonight.

 

[Cloudy]

They need to play defense and get this game >_<

 

[rc213]

I know Chris Mihm aint doing shit scoring wise but he needs to be in there. Kaman was killing us in that 3rd Q down on the low post.

 

[etiolate]

Bibby at the buzzer!!!!

 

[DMczaf]

Rockets steal one in Seattle! Woo!

T-Mac bitch slaps Ray Ray in the clutch!

 

[Blackie]

Bibby at the buzzer!!!!

That did not look like it was going in, wow. God damn it but the kings almost gave me a heart attack during this shit ass choke game.

 

[etiolate]

That did not look like it was going in, wow. God damn it but the kings almost gave me a heart attack during this shit ass choke game.

Yeah, their offense is out of rhythm and it nearly cost them the game. I think Bibby made all their shots in the 4th quarter, he is just clutch.

 

[VPhys]

Lamar should be doing this every game. Underachieving SOB.

 

[bishoptl]

C'mon, enough already. Go make a separate thread for all things comparison related between #23 and #8, and leave this thread for those of us who don't swing on either athletes' nutsack.

Don't make me hit you with another 6 months, Loki!

And bionic....wtf man, you finally converted to Brady? Good job!

 

[Cloudy]

Make your layups, Lamar

 

[bionic77]

C'mon, enough already. Go make a separate thread for all things comparison related between #23 and #8, and leave this thread for those of us who don't swing on either athletes' nutsack.

Don't make me hit you with another 6 months, Loki!

And bionic....wtf man, you finally converted to Brady? Good job!

I did no such thing!

That is blasphemy for any God fearing man.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

so is it set, Bish? I want to take bets on how long Loki lasts this time. I give him 3 hours, tops.

 

[VPhys]

BS