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Official NeoGAF US Mid-term Elections 2006 Thread
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BigJonsson
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What a night....
...even though I'm Canadian....but I am a Poli Sci grad student and there was an event for poli sci students at the campus pub and free beer is always awesome...
Montana keeps shrinking....makes me not want to go to bed
...even though I'm Canadian....but I am a Poli Sci grad student and there was an event for poli sci students at the campus pub and free beer is always awesome...
Montana keeps shrinking....makes me not want to go to bed
Bush didn't fail because he was too much like a Democrat. Out of the three things he did to kill the budget, two were classic right-wing stuff: tax cuts and a hawkish foreign policy.
List all the podunk pork giveaways you want, they don't add up to anything near that. Don't tell me foreign interventionism is anti-conservative either, not if you want to hold Reagan up as a conservative icon.
List all the podunk pork giveaways you want, they don't add up to anything near that. Don't tell me foreign interventionism is anti-conservative either, not if you want to hold Reagan up as a conservative icon.
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Mandark said:
I disagree. First, the European states that are now floundering in their 35 hour work weeks and double-digit unemployment will provide a stark example of what not to do. Second, Medicare and Social Security are going to cost so much in upcoming years that some poor political party is going to have to take the rap for stripping away tons of benefits. Personally, I think that the money I pay in Social Security and Medicare taxes is gone for good, and I'll never have anything to show for it but some lame excuses from politicians 20 years from now, who will point the finger at politicians of this decade and next for not having the guts to fix an obviously urgent problem.
BigJonsson
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Johan van Benderschlotten said:
No
Give him a scream
Montana Dem lead back up to 6,000...
BigJonsson
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Johan van Benderschlotten said:
I stopped watching CNN 10 minutes ago, have they mentioned anything about Montana recount law?
Europe is having problems because medicine is too good, so you get an old population. This is a problem with or without social programs. You either 1) make them work longer into their lives, 2) ignore them and let them move in with their kids/eat dog food, or 3) keep running social programs that tax current, younger workers. There is no magical market solution.
Can anyone point to a large, economically libertarian country as an example of what we should be doing? Or an era of American history with laissez faire policies that didn't involve massive inequality and a woeful working class?
Can anyone point to a large, economically libertarian country as an example of what we should be doing? Or an era of American history with laissez faire policies that didn't involve massive inequality and a woeful working class?
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Mandark said:
United States federal budget, 2007 - $2.8 trillion (submitted February 2006 by President Bush)
United States federal budget, 2006 - $2.6 trillion (submitted February 2005 by President Bush)
United States federal budget, 2005 - $2.4 trillion (submitted 2004 by President Bush)
United States federal budget, 2004 - $2.2 trillion (submitted 2003 by President Bush)
United States federal budget, 2003 - $2.1 trillion (submitted 2002 by President Bush)
United States federal budget, 2002 - $2.0 trillion (submitted 2001 by President Bush)
BTW - tax cuts are not right wing, just as civil liberties are not left wing. You should look into what right wing really means.
Mr. E. Yis
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Wow. the polls from the last day on the electoral vote site are exactly what happened. The only unsure states, Montana and Virginia, were projected to lean slightly Democratic, as we're seeing now. Everything is exactly how it happened. No upsets for those following the daily polls.
I just wanted to stop in here and say that it has been a wonderfully exhausting night. With the news from MSNBC that there is a recount underway in Montana and thus they won't have an official result till 7 or 8 am, I am going to turn in. First time I've gone to bed on election night optimistic and content in quite some time. Here's hoping I wake up to a Democratic Senate as well! *knock on wood*
BigJonsson
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4,000 now...
echoshifting
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xsarien said:Can Allen just concede already so I can go to bed? It's nearly 1am.
I thought he already went to bed and encouraged his supporters to do the same.
Either way I don't think he'll concede right away. He'll at least sleep on the possibility of demanding a recount.
BigJonsson
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Soooo
It might come down to Montana, not Virginia
It might come down to Montana, not Virginia
He SHOULD do it tomorrow. 8000 votes are not going to be found in a recount, especially when a lengthy fight is probably going to highlight some sleazy shit that Allen's campaign did. Smarter to take your licks like a man and hang up the spurs, then go into lobbying and make a shit ton of money.xsarien said:Can Allen just concede already so I can go to bed? It's nearly 1am.
Open Source: Tax cuttery is certainly a right wing hobbyhorse in the US today. I won't say it's conservative, or libertarian, or anything with a philosophy behind it. But it's definitely the territory of the right wing of US politics, especially the type of tax cuts enacted by Bush.
Thanks for posting those numbers. In a discussion of which factors have increased the budget, a list of the budget totals is just about useless. I'm thinking something like this:
Every single "pork" bill, every dollar that goes to education and faith-based initiatives is in "Non-defense appropriations." Less than one-fifth of the budget.
Again, Bush did three things to make the budget the mess that it is: Tax cuts, the war in Iraq, and the Medicare drug bill. Everything else, as corrupt as it is, and as large as the numbers seem in absolute terms, is not a huge deal relative to the federal budget.
Thanks for posting those numbers. In a discussion of which factors have increased the budget, a list of the budget totals is just about useless. I'm thinking something like this:
Every single "pork" bill, every dollar that goes to education and faith-based initiatives is in "Non-defense appropriations." Less than one-fifth of the budget.
Again, Bush did three things to make the budget the mess that it is: Tax cuts, the war in Iraq, and the Medicare drug bill. Everything else, as corrupt as it is, and as large as the numbers seem in absolute terms, is not a huge deal relative to the federal budget.
BigJonsson
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Matt said:
Montana is scary close :S
BigJonsson
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Johan van Benderschlotten said:
How is it acting weird?
I wrote a song for the democratic victory parade into the legislature. Slow motion. Ooooo baby.
http://home.comcast.net/~donono/satan.mp3
Edit: Bush and Cheney hold eachother as the march causes their house to shake and things to fall off shelves. They'll be crying.
http://home.comcast.net/~donono/satan.mp3
Edit: Bush and Cheney hold eachother as the march causes their house to shake and things to fall off shelves. They'll be crying.
Matt said:
Nope, as I said, Yellowstone was pretty good in favor of Tester. Here's their last posted tallies before the recount:
http://www.co.yellowstone.mt.us/elections/results/RESULTS/DEFAULT.HTM
UNITED STATES SENATOR
Vote for 1
CONRAD BURNS (REP) . . . . . . . 16,888 46.97
STAN JONES (LIB) . . . . . . . . 811 2.26
JON TESTER (DEM) . . . . . . . . 18,161 50.51
WRITE-IN. . . . . . . . . . . 96 .27
Total . . . . . . . . . 35,956
OpinionatedCyborg
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Why the hell am I still awake? Dems are gonna pick up the 6. I just want to know it for certain before I fall asleep...
btw, MSNBC's Chris Mathews is pretty hilarious at this hour.
btw, MSNBC's Chris Mathews is pretty hilarious at this hour.
Matt said:
I sure hope all this is right.
What a wild night....at first I thought the gains were gonna be smaller than expected; then Webb caught up to Allen in the last few precincts reporting and since then everything has gone like a dream. Then the narrowing of the gap in Montana started...sigh.
Well, a few hours ago I thought the Dems had no chance at the Senate and was unsure of their margin of victory in the House. Now they've taken 30+ seats in the House and are on the cusp of controlling the Senate
Demigod Mac
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CNN has Tester (D) up by 5270 votes. 84% precincts
Coincidentally, I'm staying up but it's not because of the politics....and by all counts, the Senate is still hanging on Montana and Virginia. Even if they register as losses, the Democrats have gained massive ground tonight. We'll see how it goes (and more so, in the long run).
Also, :lol @ "Splitney Spears"
Also, :lol @ "Splitney Spears"
CajoleJuice
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:lol :lol :lolsp0rsk said:
DonasaurusRex
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virginia should be ova, and they have a law against recounts, i cant believe the republicans want to whine and cry when they chastised gore for a far closer race.
haha right.LM4sure said:
if democrats gain control of the house and senate, just wait for the hearings to start on Bush. This is clearly a referendum on Iraq and people don't want it anymore. They don't need Bush's approval to hold hearings on anything from Wiretapping to the Valerie Plame stuff to the Iraq war. Just wait-- Bush's life, if the Senate goes Democrat, is going to become a nightmare.
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