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[Fox318]

pretty much anything will rank Sanchez over Henne. Or anyone over Henne.

Leave the lolphins alone, haven't they suffered enough?

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

hahahah, if that is true.....holy shit

It is. It's the only thing that explains Rivers.

 

[TheFatOne]

As much as I want Osi I don't think the Pats have the cap space for him. I need to check their cap numbers.

 

[jmdajr]

woot.. finally got my season tickets

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Go to the Patriots Osi

 

[Futurevoid]

Go to the Patriots Osi

Feel free to hand over that first rounder. I'll be quite happy if the Patriots are stupid enough to do so.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

Come to the Eagles, Osi. Vick really is making the defense better. It's twuuu!

 

[TheFatOne]

I think the Pats are currently at 110mil, but they still need to sign Ras-I,Solder, and Vareen. If they sign Mankins to a deal they should have enough money for Osi. They could always restructure deals to make space. So what is top DE money theses days? 8-10milper?

Feel free to hand over that first rounder. I'll be quite happy if the Patriots are stupid enough to do so.

If the Pats get Osi I can guarantee you that they would not have given up a first.

 

[Futurevoid]

So what is top DE money theses days? 8-10milper?

Here you go:

giantswfan (TV / Radio Personality) osi's base is $3.1M this season -- clearly team dealing for him will need to pre-qualify to give him raise - to approx. $10M #giants

If the Pats get Osi I can guarantee you that they would not have given up a first.

...and considering the Giants can just sit back and not accept the trade, I can guarantee you they will extract the maximum value they can out of him from whatever team comes calling. *IF* they actually do trade him.

 

[TheFatOne]

Here you go:

Yea too expensive for the Pats, but it's nice to dream.

 

[bionic77]

Brees had 22 ints for 33 Tds, yet is still in the top tier. Seems yards is the most important stat - it's the only thing the top guys share.

It must have great analysis considering Ben didn't even play the whole season (if yards were the biggest factor) and it has Matt Ryan as an elite qb.

This is why you look foolish if you base everything on stats (especially predictions). There is so much that doesn't show up on the stat sheet that determines who wins and loses.

 

[cwmartin]

I honestly don't think the pats would even want him. Crying about money now isn't a good sign IMO. Foreshadowing and all that.

 

[Fox318]

Here you go:




...and considering the Giants can just sit back and not accept the trade, I can guarantee you they will extract the maximum value they can out of him from whatever team comes calling.

The bucs could pick him up.

 

[Enron]

Come to the Eagles, Osi. Vick really is making the defense better.

There is zero chance they trade him within the division.

 

[squicken]

It's tough to trade a #1 since they are so much lower cost now, and then additionally pay free agent rates to a guy who hasn't shown the highest football IQ

 

[Futurevoid]

Vachianno reiterating that the Giants want a 1st round pick to deal Osi:

TheBlueScreen (Beat Writer / Columnist) Never doubt Sal Pal ... Report confirmed. Agent given permission to shop Osi. ... #NYG also want a 1st round pick in return, I'm told.

Reese this morning said the Giants are basically in a good cap position though he noted that he would need to do some trimming after resigning Boss, Smith and Bradshaw. The Giants are simply not in a position to give Osi what he wants money wise.

 

[Sanjuro]

The entire morning radio show was just bashing the idea of the Eagles having a dream team. I feel bad for the Eagles now.

 

[bionic77]

Is Osi even worth a 1st round pick? I mean he is no James Harrison...

 

[BaltimoreLarry]

Ravens are trading for Osi. That pass rush is going to look good this year with Suggs, Osi, and Kindle.

 

[bionic77]

Ravens are trading for Osi. That pass rush is going to look good this year with Suggs, Osi, and Kindle.

Ugh, I don't like the sound of that...

 

[Big-E]

I wouldn't mind the Pats kind of fucking up the future for now. The team won't have too many more chances to make a run I think so go for broke now.

 

[Sanjuro]

Getting Osi would certainly make our defense more dynamic like that fans have been asking for the last several seasons. On the other side, I feel weird being the rehab center for disgruntled NFL players. Feels like the Raiders only not as stupid.

 

[KingGondo]

Any chance the Pats sign Osi? I can't imagine Belichick would give up a 1st, price seems to high for them.

That pass rush could be ferocious though if Haynesworth is even remotely effective.

 

[Sanjuro]

Any chance the Pats sign Osi? I can't imagine Belichick would give up a 1st, price seems to high for them.

That pass rush could be ferocious though if Haynesworth is even remotely effective.

I don't mind giving up a first round pick, because he somehow will get multiple later round picks in the trade.

 

[Striker]

I welcome Seattle's 1st. Get them on the phone, Jerry.

 

[Futurevoid]

I welcome Seattle's 1st. Get them on the phone, Jerry.

Pretty much. I just want the entire situation done with. JPP future.

 

[eznark]

Is Osi even worth a 1st round pick? I mean he is no James Harrison...

For a team that can win this year, absolutely.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

New England has 2 1st rounders next year and I doubt they will use them on 2 players so why not use one on a proven player if they can afford it?

 

[TheFatOne]

I wouldn't mind the Pats kind of fucking up the future for now. The team won't have too many more chances to make a run I think so go for broke now.

This doesn't really screw up the future IMO because everyone knows the cap is going up. When the new tv deal is done the cap is going to go up. The question then becomes is Osi worth a first and then close to 10/year. Any Giant fans still around? I need a scouting report on Osi.

New England has 2 1st rounders next year and I doubt they will use them on 2 players so why not use one on a proven player if they can afford it?

This is how I feel, but BB loves his picks.

 

[beast786]

what does :jncs means?

I feel like I am out of the loop

 

[KingGondo]

I don't mind giving up a first round pick, because he somehow will get multiple later round picks in the trade.

It's just so un-Belichickian for them to trade a truly valuable pick and then drop millions to pay the guy.

I could only see them doing that if they truly think Osi is the answer to their pass-rushing woes and that he'll contribute not only this year, but for 3-4 years down the road.

 

[LyleLanley]

I can't see Belichick trading a first round pick for player given the new rookie salaries.

 

[bionic77]

For a team that can win this year, absolutely.

He is definitely a good player, but I feel like he benefits from playing alongside a lot of other talented players on that Giants frontline. I agree that a 1st is worth it if the player is going to get you over the top, but I am not sure if Osi is that guy. There is always that question in football of system versus player and I don't know the answer with him.

He can of course prove me wrong when he goes to Philadelphia and wins DPOY (please don't let that British bastard go to Baltimore...).

 

[Sanjuro]

It's just so un-Belichickian for them to trade a truly valuable pick and then drop millions to pay the guy.

I could only see them doing that if they truly think Osi is the answer to their pass-rushing woes and that he'll contribute not only this year, but for 3-4 years down the road.

Our defense can't penetrate shit. Osi will completely alter this. We have the pick to give, like I said I wouldn't be surprised we send out a first round or second that we wouldn't get a token late round pick for Bill to play his fantasy game with.

 

[Milchjon]

what does :jncs means?

I feel like I am out of the loop

:jnc is short for :jakncoke, which replaced :lol when the smiley disappeared. Presumably because jakncoke was one of its most frequent users?

 

[TheFatOne]

If Haynesworth is anything close to what he was a line of Vince Wilkfork,Haynesworth,Osi, and Cunningham would be ridiculous.

:jnc is short for :jakncoke, which replaced :lol when the smiley disappeared. Presumably because jakncoke was one of its most frequent users?

This is correct. For the record I believe eznark was the first person to use :jakncoke

 

[KingGondo]

Also, do we have any idea of how the Pats are gonna remedy their OLB situation after releasing Banta-Cain?

 

[TheFatOne]

Also, do we have any idea of how the Pats are gonna remedy their OLB situation after releasing Banta-Cain?

Same guys from last year unless they go 4-3.

 

[cuevas. PhD.]

Bears aren't on the Bleacher Report's "Losers" of FA, fucking terrible website.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

Actually, someone stop the Pats before they fuck this season up. We can't let them win.

 

[Sanjuro]

Actually, someone stop the Pats before they fuck this season up. We can't let them win.

Philly has got you covered with their "Dream Team"...don't worry.

 

[Wellington]

Prying a first rounder away from soneone will be tough. The minimization of the salary requirements to sign these guys makes it much better for the "buying" teams to just keep all their picks.

 

[Futurevoid]

Prying a first rounder away from soneone will be tough.

I think the Giants are banking on that. I don't think the team has serious intentions in trading him and I've said that from the start. They are opening up the opportunity for him to seek a trade to please him and if no serious market develops with teams willing to overpay for him - then he will have little choice but to stay until the Giants are in a better salary-cap position to rework his contract.

Even then the Giants aren't going to pay him $10 million/yr. Tuck is up for a contract extension after the 2012 season is memory recalls - what kind of precedent does that set when Tuck comes to the table to negotiate as a far more important piece of the defense and just a better player in every way?

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

I think the Giants are banking on that. I don't think the team has serious intentions in trading him and I've said that from the start. They are opening up the opportunity for him to seek a trade to please him and if no serious market develops with teams willing to overpay for him - then he will have little choice but to stay until the Giants are in a better salary-cap position to rework his contract.

Even then the Giants aren't going to pay him $10 million. Tuck is up for a contract extension after the 2012 season is memory recalls - what kind of precedent does that set when Tuck comes to the table as a far more important piece of the offense and just a better player in every way.

It just seems like the Giants are trying to prove to Osi that he needs them more than they need him.

 

[Plinko]

Below average: Shaun Hill, Jason Campbell, Jay Cutler, Matt Hasselbeck, Chad Henne, Donovan McNabb, Sam Bradford and Alex Smith.

:jnc

 

[The Frankman]

It just seems like the Giants are trying to prove to Osi that he needs them more than they need him.

Nothing to prove, he DOES. Giants are stacked at that position and arguably has a better all-around player waiting in the wings.

Pretty much. I just want the entire situation done with. JPP future.

YOU DOWN WITH JPP?

 

[vas_a_morir]

Every team right now looks like a million bucks, and everyone has a potential rookie of the year.


Except for the Bengals.

 

[Futurevoid]

It just seems like the Giants are trying to prove to Osi that he needs them more than they need him.

Completely agree. Taking JPP in the first round becomes less and less a "luxury" pick as the situation plays out. I mentioned it before but the Kiwi resigning killed just about all leverage Osi had.

 

[Striker]

It just seems like the Giants are trying to prove to Osi that he needs them more than they need him.

 

[talisayNon]

Cotchery's on the trading block =/