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Official NFL 2011 Offseason Thread of OUR LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE IS OVER
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Futurevoid
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The Osi situation is getting uglier. Dottino posted up some recent commentary from his sources:
Oh Osi. Should be fun to see who blinks first.
Alligatorjandro
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msdstc said:
Tom threw only 14 less TD's last year basically without Moss
Ninja Scooter
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You guys are crazy. You could have put David Boston in that 07 Pats offense and he would have had 20+ TDs. Respect the Lord.
Happy they were able to retain Bradshaw. Curious on the deal.
Next is Smith and TE. Whether Boss or not, I rather them look into Zach Miller. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten more looks in FA.
While they could offer a lucrative 2-year deal, why would Osi want to accept that?
Next is Smith and TE. Whether Boss or not, I rather them look into Zach Miller. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten more looks in FA.
They know his age, and he won't be a starter for long enough because they have JPP waiting in the wings. Why not attempt to get as much as you can via trade?cwmartin said:
While they could offer a lucrative 2-year deal, why would Osi want to accept that?
Ninja Scooter
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Big-E said:
uhh, yeah no. At least not anybody sane. WRs seem to always get this treatment, especially guys like Moss and TO with attitude issues. Harder for them to get in. Both guys will eventually be in IMO though.
Alligatorjandro
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Milchjon said:
Bionic will probably say Charlie Batch should get in before Brady.
With the disclaimer that I have watched football only from the mid-80s, I can safely say Moss is the best player I have ever seen, Montana, Marino, Manning, Rice, Reggie White, Sanders (either of them) included. I believe he had more talent than anyone else who has ever played the game. I can understand his mental problems, which makes the fact that he didn't live up to his potential (which is saying something) probably sadder than people who just think he's a selfish nutcase.
A truly once-in-a-lifetime talent.
A truly once-in-a-lifetime talent.
He's pretty young and from what I understand he's a nice player. I followed his career fairly closely because he played at my alma mater (Oklahoma State). He filled in for the injured o-lineman (right tackle iirc) when the Colts won the Super Bowl, and has been a fixture on their line ever since.Slo said:
He played freaking tight end at OSU... Smh. Les Miles really knows to utilize his talent.
Gigglepoo said:
lots of people liked to say that Brady was a QB that never had great numbers, but twice prior to Moss he led the league in total yards passing. And they added Wes Welker the same offseason as Moss didn't they?
darkside31337
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Randy Moss should be a first ballot hall of famer no questions asked.
I think anyone who thinks he is a lock is crazy. A ton of writers dislike him for various reasons, a few of them legitimate and the overwhelming of them completely asinine.
There are definitely enough writers out there who will not vote guys into the hall for various reasons. He'll get in eventually but I don't think it'll be first ballot. TO is the guy who will never get in.
I think it's all moot though because I'm not buying that Randy is really retired.
I think anyone who thinks he is a lock is crazy. A ton of writers dislike him for various reasons, a few of them legitimate and the overwhelming of them completely asinine.
There are definitely enough writers out there who will not vote guys into the hall for various reasons. He'll get in eventually but I don't think it'll be first ballot. TO is the guy who will never get in.
I think it's all moot though because I'm not buying that Randy is really retired.
levious said:
Yeah, they did.
Also, sounds like the Pats are far from done with Free Agency.
Looking forward to a few more trades. Is there really no good OLB available?
levious said:
You made the same arguments 4 years ago. Fantastic!
2007 Brady: 4806 yards, 50 TDs
His second best yardage in a season came in 2005, when he had 4110.
His second best touchdowns in a season came last year, when had 36.
That year with Moss was unbelievable. I still think Randy was the MVP.
Gigglepoo said:
that doesn't really dispute what I say does it? I'm not saying that arguing for Randy as MVP doesn't have merit, but you can't really use the arguments you were using. Especially the one claiming that Randy was the only major change to the offense that year.
levious said:
Brady's numbers rose to a crazy place with the addition of Moss. When Moss started to fade, they went back to normalcy. Yes, they added Welker in 2007 as well, though Brady hasn't sustained his unbelievable pace with him.
Meanwhile, Moss has been the main offensive threat on the two highest-scoring offenses in history. Praise the QBs!
TheApatheticOne
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I guess this is what happens when you have so much money wrapped up in a handful of players, but Im worried about my Colts.
Offensive: The OL is in shambles. Saturday and Diem are on their last leg, and the rest is rubbish and a few rookies. Forget depth, they dont even have the starting line right now. Wayne is a year older, Garcon struggled for the first 10 games or so pretty badly, Collie had some nasty concussions last year, Clark and Gonzo are coming off injuries, and of course, the key, Peyton Manning, is ALSO coming off injury. Behind him.... still Curtis Painter. As a Colts fan, I hope I bear no witness to any era that begins with the words "Curtis Painter".
Defensive: The DT position has not been addressed in the slightest... again, as per usual. Freeney and Mathis are there, but getting a little older. Hughes has the faint smell of bust on him and they haven't resigned Dawson. The LB CORP will have 2 first year starters in Angerer and Conner. Our secondary will have Bethea, Bullitt, Powers, Tryon, and Lacey, but not much after that.
And the biggest kick in the junk... Jim Caldwell is still head coach. (Yes, Im still bitter at him losing the Jacksonville game, and then making the same mistake, the exact same one, in the playoff lost against the Jets. You know, the one where Peyton looked like he was going to punch someone in the face....)
All that, and all the other AFC South teams will be better IMO this year.
Offensive: The OL is in shambles. Saturday and Diem are on their last leg, and the rest is rubbish and a few rookies. Forget depth, they dont even have the starting line right now. Wayne is a year older, Garcon struggled for the first 10 games or so pretty badly, Collie had some nasty concussions last year, Clark and Gonzo are coming off injuries, and of course, the key, Peyton Manning, is ALSO coming off injury. Behind him.... still Curtis Painter. As a Colts fan, I hope I bear no witness to any era that begins with the words "Curtis Painter".
Defensive: The DT position has not been addressed in the slightest... again, as per usual. Freeney and Mathis are there, but getting a little older. Hughes has the faint smell of bust on him and they haven't resigned Dawson. The LB CORP will have 2 first year starters in Angerer and Conner. Our secondary will have Bethea, Bullitt, Powers, Tryon, and Lacey, but not much after that.
And the biggest kick in the junk... Jim Caldwell is still head coach. (Yes, Im still bitter at him losing the Jacksonville game, and then making the same mistake, the exact same one, in the playoff lost against the Jets. You know, the one where Peyton looked like he was going to punch someone in the face....)
All that, and all the other AFC South teams will be better IMO this year.
Futurevoid
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Let me add to that: LOL.effzee said:
Amusingly, David Carr and Sinorice actually had some pretty decent chemistry when he had the opportunity to come in and play.
Aaron Ross is unwilling to play Safety this year according a Garafolo report.
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2011/08/giants_cb_aaron_ross_im_not_wi.html
I hope he realized he'll end up 4th on the depth chart behind Prince when gets into camp. I hope he can entertain time on the bench.
Spectral Glider
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Slo said:
Pass? Jen Sterger?
TheApatheticOne
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Slo said:
Serviceable, borderline good. We had him at every position on the line at some point it seemed, so he never really had time to get to comfortable, but I always thought considering that, he did an okay job. Once he kinda got locked into the LT position, I thought he played well. Not much of a rush blocker though. Colts fans seem to vary on him quite a bit, but I liked him well enough. Not great, not terrible. I was up for keeping him, but not if it was going to cost the Colts a lot.
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