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Official NFL 2011 Offseason Thread of OUR LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE IS OVER

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TheFatOne

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After a day away, the Patriots were back on the practice field with another full-pads workout. I was interested to see how they’d respond after time time off.

How did the workout go?

– Albert Haynesworth was far more involved in this practice than he was in those previous day. He took a bunch of primary reps alongside Vince Wilfork, preaenting a serious problem for linemen. Haynesworth moved OK, working at a steady practice clip but not exerting himself too much. Clearly still working his way in there.

– It may be me, but it certainly looks like the defense is way ahead of the offense. True, the offensive line isn’t together and all that. But in the secondary, for instance, the coverage was tight. Receivers did make catches, with Wes Welker beating Jonathan Wilhite over the shoulder and Chad Ochocinco doing so in the end zone. But everything was a battle and they are always fighting for the ball.

– Speaking of the DBs, Ras-I Dowling made his first appearance and I can confirm he’s tall. Looks like a safety. While its tough to tell much from one practice, he did show he’s physical. Down on the goal line, he locked up Chad Ochocinco, knocking him off his spot and ruining the play. Early indications are positive. RB Shane Vereen was also practicing.

– Safety James Sanders, NT Kyle Love and NT Myron Pryor all practiced for the first time in pads. Sanders was on the non-football injury list, but he looked OK today. Pryor took his pads off and watched the second half.

– The QBs still look a little out of sorts and not just in their reads. It seems a lot of their throws are short, perhaps as they work their guns into shape. And it doesn’t get easier with Bill Belichick firing pads at them before they throw.

– OL Sebastian Vollmer is a beast. No surprise, but he’s tossing guys around. Twice, he shoved DE Eric Moore’s face in the dirt. C Dan Koppen also looks tough. And oddly, undrafted OT Corey Woods keeps catching my eye.
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What a surprise sea bass is killing guys.
 
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BigAT said:
Upon hearing news of the injury, delusional Lions fans have reevaluated their predictions for the season to a modest 15-1.
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You will see.
 
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Elfforkusu

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The NFC West is the Rams' division to lose. They're the only team in that division where 9-7 wouldn't feel like a mysterious event.

Cardinals have a shot too, I guess.
 
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beast786

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Tweet from Lions linebacker Zack Follett could mean end of career


"Respect to (coach Jim) Schwartz, (general manager Martin) Mayhew, (president Tom) Lewand," Follett wrote in a Tweet late Tuesday. "Didn't want to risk a life-threatening injury after seeing my pain. Someone had to make the tough decision."
:(
 
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filler

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So we should be getting some compensatory picks after losing Nnamdi and Miller. Anybody know how it works exactly and what we should be getting? I heard it would probably be a 3rd rounder for NNamdi.
 
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Rorschach

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Hate to be the old man in the room, but so tired of tweet news format. Some guys are alright, but others go overboard with tags and retweets and trying to trend certain things.

RT: @JJWalkin - @Dildobaggins told me that @jeremyjabes is meeting with #giants, #patriots, and #bears. He says he's #excited. #getpaidyo
 
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TheFatOne

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Lunchbox said:
first round pick for a 29 year old is not worth it
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All the teams interested are refusing to give up 1st round picks. If they trade him it would be for a 2nd and possibly a lower pick(5th?6th?). For a second I would do it. I know he isn't the best guy against the run,and I know he is inconsistent but I think it would be worth it. Cunningham,Wilfork,Haynesworth, and Osi would be a killer line. No way I give Osi 10 mill a year though.


Rorschach said:
Hate to be the old man in the room, but so tired of tweet news format. Some guys are alright, but others go overboard with tags and retweets and trying to trend certain things.

RT: @JJWalkin - @Dildobaggins told me that @jeremyjabes is meeting with #giants, #patriots, and #bears. He says he's #excited. #getpaidyo
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Yea I just don't bother with those tweets. It's all so confusing.
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Don't you guys have two next year? As a Jet fan I would cry if you guys got him.
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Yea they have two firsts(their own, and the saints)and two seconds(their own, and the raiders)
 
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Futurevoid

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Trade demands have apparently now dropped to 2nd for Osi.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2011/08/the_new_york_giants_have.html

I haven't seen this from any other source as of yet. The Ravens look like strong contenders but as the article states, they haven't signed Ngata to a new deal yet which could create cap issues in signing Osi to a big contract.

2nd is about what he's worth as we mentioned previously. If we got a later round pick and/or a player, I'd be quite happy with that.

Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Of course it is worth it when you are talking about a top tier player in the prime of his career.
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If the Pats want to give over a first rounder. Go for it. You guys can have "in his prime, top tier" (lol) Osi and enjoy.
 
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Alligatorjandro

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Futurevoid said:
Trade demands have apparently now dropped to 2nd for Osi.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2011/08/the_new_york_giants_have.html

I haven't seen this from any other source as of yet. The Ravens look like strong contenders but as the article states, they haven't signed Ngata to a new deal yet which could create cap issues in signing Osi to a big contract.

2nd is about what he's worth as we mentioned previously. If we got a later round pick and/or a player, I'd be quite happy with that.
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You know what to do Belichick.Go get him
 
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TheFatOne

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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
What? Of course it is worth it when you are talking about a top tier player in the prime of his career.
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As some of the Giants gaf(Futurevoid,Wellingtond) have said Osi isn't worth top DE money, but I sure as hell want him on my team. If they could work out a deal for 6-7/mil year that would be sweet.


Futurevoid said:
Trade demands have apparently now dropped to 2nd for Osi.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2011/08/the_new_york_giants_have.html

I haven't seen this from any other source as of yet. The Ravens look like strong contenders but as the article states, they haven't signed Ngata to a new deal yet which could create cap issues in signing Osi to a big contract.

2nd is about what he's worth as we mentioned previously. If we got a later round pick and/or a player, I'd be quite happy with that.
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I wish the Pats had an over abundance of linebackers. Then this deal would have been much easier :( Don't want to see Osi on the Ravens.
 
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Sanjuro

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Futurevoid said:
If the Pats want to give over a first rounder. Go for it. You guys can have "in his prime, top tier" (lol) Osi and enjoy.
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Are you telling me a player in his late to early thirties isn't a prime? Chances are you guys aren't getting a first rounder. I'm just using it for argument sake.


TheFatOne said:
As some of the Giants gaf(Futurevoid,Wellingtond) have said Osi isn't worth top DE money, but I sure as hell want him on my team. If they could work out a deal for 6-7/mil year that would be sweet.
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That is the point. We aren't and don't have to give him top DE money.
 
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TheFatOne

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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Are you telling me a player in his late to early thirties isn't a prime? Chances are you guys aren't getting a first rounder. I'm just using it for argument sake.



That is the point. We aren't and don't have to give him top DE money.
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If we don't have to give him top DE money sign me up right now. Seriously I get my self too excited about trade scenarios that I know are never going to happen :( The thing that gives me hope is that the Pats look like they may be really switching over to a 4-3 this season. If that is the case Osi makes so much sense. I need to stop thinking about things that will never happen :(
 
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Tom Penny

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The Jets have a better shot at Osi then the Pats. The bottom line is the Pats will not pay since the Adalius Thomas fuck up. Unless it's reasonable money. Forget it.
 
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Sanjuro

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TheFatOne said:
If we don't have to give him top DE money sign me up right now. Seriously I get my self too excited about trade scenarios that I know are never going to happen :( The thing that gives me hope is that the Pats look like they may be really switching over to a 4-3 this season. If that is the case Osi makes so much sense. I need to stop thinking about things that will never happen :(
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He would be a rental for this season. I believe he is getting three million or something near there.

If we give up a first, probably getting some late picks back so Bill can play his littler poker game with them. In reality we or another team give up a second and still probably get a pick as well.
 
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Futurevoid

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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Are you telling me a player in his late to early thirties isn't a prime?
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Are you telling me a guy nearly two years removed from major knee surgery along with hip surgery in this offseason from a lingering injury that has bothered him for years is "in his prime"? A woefully inconsistent player (as has been proven statistically in this thread) that will blow up in a contract year (in his mind) like 2010 but then play so fucking awful against the run that he's benched a year before? A guy who was run at 29 times in a game and didn't make a single tackle. Not one. Opposing offenses gameplan against the Giants in 2009 was "Run at Osi". A guy that has had consistency issues playing the run since he's been a Giant and has prospered in a pass rushing defensive line that's had him across from a future Hall of Famer (Strahan) and a man who's truly in his prime and is one of the top tier DE's in the league (Tuck). That's "in his prime and top tier"? Ok.

Like I said, the Giants would be happy to take that first round pick off your hands and smile while you hand him 8-10MM/yr (which is what he wants).

He's a fine situational player and I would not mind him continuing on with the Giants if he puts forth the same effort he gave last year, but not at that price tag. He simply isn't worth it.
 
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Tom Penny

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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
He would be a rental for this season. I believe he is getting three million or something near there.

If we give up a first, probably getting some late picks back so Bill can play his littler poker game with them. In reality we or another team give up a second and still probably get a pick as well.
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Your on something if you think the Pats are trading a 1st for anyone.
 
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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Are you telling me a player in his late to early thirties isn't a prime? Chances are you guys aren't getting a first rounder. I'm just using it for argument sake.
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i would consider 25-30 the prime. after that you start to decline slowly, and osi already has banged up knees from when he was with the jets

2nd round and lower would be the perfect deal for him. and like you said he would be a rental for the season, thats why giving away a first rounder isnt worth it for something experimental
 
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Sanjuro

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Futurevoid said:
Are you telling me a guy nearly two years removed from major knee surgery along with hip surgery in this offseason from a lingering injury that has bothered him for years is "in his prime"? A woefully inconsistent player (as has been proven statistically in this thread) that will blow up in a contract year (in his mind) like 2010 but then play so fucking awful against the run that he's benched a year before? A guy who was run at 29 times in a game and didn't make a single tackle. Not one. A guy that has had consistency issues playing the run since he's been a Giant and has prospered in a pass rushing defensive line that's had him across from a future Hall of Famer (Strahan) and a man who's truly in his prime and is one of the top tier DE's in the league (Tuck). That's "in his prime and top tier"? Ok.

Like I said, the Giants would be happy to take that first round pick off your hands and smile while you hand him 10MM/yr.
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You keep telling this to yourself to make you feel better. He put up fine numbers last season which shadowed his prior injury numbers.


Tom Penny said:
Your on something if you think the Pats are trading a 1st for anyone.
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I've already said I don't think they will. I'm playing fantasy speculation talk right now, but doesn't seem well out there. Seems like the NY fans are on something...oh wait...it's called the media.
 
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Futurevoid

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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
You keep telling this to yourself to make you feel better. He put up fine numbers last season which shadowed his prior injury numbers.
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Believe what you like. I don't much care. Folks that have watched Osi play for years know the kind of player he is and what he's not. You can feel fee to delude yourself into believing he's more than that and as long as the Giants get value for him - goodbye. The Giants have plenty of depth at the position.

Oh and his weaknesses been there far before his "injuries". You keep telling yourself otherwise though.

These posts illustrate it quite nicely:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29787630&postcount=23261

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29787953&postcount=23273
 
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bionic77

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Normally I discount all preseason talk as worthless, but then I remembered that last year the analysts were predicting that Green Bay would win the Superbowl after their impressive destruction of the preseason. Could the same analysts do the impossible and get two predictions right (in a row)?

Seems implausible, but then again Clay Matthews passed every steroid test. In the NFL anything is possible!
 
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Sanjuro

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Futurevoid said:
Believe what you like. I don't much care. Folks that have watched Osi play for years know the kind of player he is and what he's not. You can feel fee to delude yourself into believing he's more than that and as long as the Giants get value for him - goodbye. The Giants have plenty of depth at the position.

Oh and his weaknesses been there far before his "injuries". You keep telling yourself otherwise though.

This post illustrated it quite nicely:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29787630&postcount=23261
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Interesting. So tell me which other available DE are superior to Osi?
 
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TheFatOne said:
Cunningham,Wilfork,Haynesworth, and Osi would be a killer line. No way I give Osi 10 mill a year though.
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You're pretty high on Cunningham. Is this you being optimistic that he'll actually produce, or has he shown you something in the 11 games he started?
 
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Sanjuro

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Lunchbox said:
i would consider 25-30 the prime. after that you start to decline slowly, and osi already has banged up knees from when he was with the jets

2nd round and lower would be the perfect deal for him. and like you said he would be a rental for the season, thats why giving away a first rounder isnt worth it for something experimental
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I normally agree, but it depends on the position. I think a solid DE has more longevity than say a WR, RB, CB. Again, we are talking about a rental for a season as well. We aren't wrapping him up for several years. The harm in doing something like this is non-existent.
 
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