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Official NFL 2011 Offseason Thread of OUR LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE IS OVER

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jakncoke

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bionic77 said:
Yes they have made me soft but I stand by that statement. Some teams vastly overachieve and for them to come up short doesn't diminish their accomplishments. If the Browns were to make the playoffs or even win the division I would say that that was a very successful season for them and I think most would agree. You are judging every team by what your definition of success is as a Steelers fan, but you can't apply that to everyone and every fan base.

For me a successful season is the Pats being humiliated and going home losers at some point in the season. For me a VERY successful season would be that plus the Steelers winning the Superbowl. For me the greatest season of all would involve the Steelers destroying the Pats in the AFC Championship at home and then going on to win the Superbowl.

We have all seen the first two scenarios, is this year going to be the year that we get the greatest season of football the world has ever seen? Only time will tell...
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Very true on all points. The greatest season of all that i would envision would come down as the following winning the division with 14-2 record. Beating the Ravens 35-0 in the division, beating the Pats 51-6 in the afc championship and beating the Packers 41-0 in the SB. This would make my life.
 
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bionic77

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jakncoke said:
Very true on all points. The greatest season of all that i would envision would come down as the following winning the division with 14-2 record. Beating the Ravens 35-0 in the division, beating the Pats 51-6 in the afc championship and beating the Packers 41-0 in the SB. This would make my life.
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I don't really care who we play in the SB. Packer fans can be annoying but the team doesn't really bother me and we don't have any history with them.

If I had to choose I think I would want to get the Niners so I wouldn't have to hear FMT talk about them never losing a SB and also because it would get us one step closer to beating every NFC West team in the Superbowl.
 
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DeaconKnowledge

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bionic77 said:
Yes they have made me soft but I stand by that statement. Some teams vastly overachieve and for them to come up short doesn't diminish their accomplishments. If the Browns were to make the playoffs or even win the division I would say that that was a very successful season for them and I think most would agree. You are judging every team by what your definition of success is as a Steelers fan, but you can't apply that to everyone and every fan base.

For me a successful season is the Pats being humiliated and going home losers at some point in the season. For me a VERY successful season would be that plus the Steelers winning the Superbowl. For me the greatest season of all would involve the Steelers destroying the Pats in the AFC Championship at home and then going on to win the Superbowl.

We have all seen the first two scenarios, is this year going to be the year that we get the greatest season of football the world has ever seen? Only time will tell...
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Couldn't disagree more.

The goal of every organization in any competitive league is to win the Championship. That is the ultimate barometer of success and anything less is a failure.

Example: In 20 years nobody but die hard NFL fans will remember:

The Patriots going 14-2
The Jets getting to two back to back AFC Championships

All they will remember is the Packers beating the Steelers, because that's the goal of the entire league.


jakncoke said:
Very true on all points. The greatest season of all that i would envision would come down as the following winning the division with 14-2 record. Beating the Ravens 35-0 in the division, beating the Pats 51-6 in the afc championship and beating the Packers 41-0 in the SB. This would make my life.
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If this happened I would quit watching football. That is a perfect season that could never be topped.

Actually, forget the Super Bowl and Divisional. I just want to to see this 51-6 game.
 
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bionic77

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DeaconKnowledge said:
Couldn't disagree more.

The goal of every organization in any competitive league is to win the Championship. That is the ultimate barometer of success and anything less is a failure.

Example: In 20 years nobody but die hard NFL fans will remember:

The Patriots going 14-2
The Jets getting to two back to back AFC Championships

All they will remember is the Packers beating the Steelers, because that's the goal of the entire league.
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So success is determined by casual fans?

Because if that is the case then you just made the argument that the Cowboys are the best franchise in the league...

I know what you mean though and I used to think like that, but I think we will have to agree to disagree.
 
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Fox318

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MechDX said:
ahhhhhhh...Training camp time. Eternal optimism everywhere.

first one to avatar quote me gets punched in the junk!
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talisayNon

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bob_arctor said:
Jets/Miami is an eternal hatred deep in the depths of the soul since birth. The Patriots are simply a common enemy interrupting our sacred blood feud.
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Patriots are a minor bump in the road. Nothing I loathe more than scum sucking Dolphins and their fans.
 
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DeaconKnowledge

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bionic77 said:
So success is determined by casual fans?

Because if that is the case then you just made the argument that the Cowboys are the best franchise in the league...
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You'll have to explain yourself here.

bionic77 said:
I know what you mean though and I used to think like that, but I think we will have to agree to disagree.
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Fair enough.


It's not that I don't see where you're coming from; there are degrees of success that teams weigh themselves against (The Bucs, for example, improving to 10-6 last season after a 2 win season the year before) however as far as the team and the total consensus there is only one ultimate success.

Going back to the Heat, I'm sure if you talked to Lebron, Wade, or Bosh they wouldn't be crowing about being Champs of the Eastern Conference.

Similarly i'm no less proud of the Steelers for being AFC Champs and it is a great accomplishment that can never be taken away. But the Steelers, or any team, don't put on Pads to win AFC Championships, they do it to win Super Bowls.
 
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McNabb on the current Eagles:

"I was there for 11 years, and the biggest thing we brought in was T.O. [Terrell Owens]," said McNabb. "Now they’re getting the so-called 'Dream Team.' It’s amazing, but I look back on my career and what they’re doing now ... that’s great; that’s excellent. But you’re seeing another side. You’re seeing Andy (coach Andy Reid) taking that chance. It’s not just taking that chance on one guy. They’re taking a chance on a bunch of guys. And they’re spending money. That’s amazing. Ever since the lockout [ended], teams have to spend money."

"With T.O.," he said, "after the first two or three weeks of training camp we felt like we had something. But you never say, 'Aw, we’re going to win the Super Bowl. Fans say that. Radio says that. But now they expect them to win.

"Now they bring in a Cullen Jenkins, and we all know he’s a dominant force. They bring in a Nnamdi Asomugha. You have Rodgers-Cromartie, who is the one they don’t mention the most because they have Asante Samuel, too. The problem is: What do you do with Asante Samuel?

"Then, you've got to worry about DeSean (Jackson). When he comes back are you going to give DeSean the ball or throw it to (Jeremy) Maclin? Remember, you have to give LeSean McCoy the ball, too. And then at the end you still have to pay Mike Vick. They have more problems than people are looking at."
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bionic77

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Alligatorjandro said:
Steelers fans will have even more hate after Brady beats them in Pittsburgh again this year.
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We probably would if it happened, but as far I know you have to win a playoff game to get to the AFC Championship game and recent history doesn't make it seem like the Pats are capable of getting over that hurdle...

DeaconKnowledge said:
You'll have to explain yourself here.
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You used the example that in 20 years casual fans would only remember who won and lost in the Superbowl as an example of why only winning it all matters. My counter to that is casual fans are almost as dumb as people from Wisconsin and should never be used to support any argument.
 
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DeaconKnowledge

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bionic77 said:
You used the example that in 20 years casual fans would only remember who won and lost in the Superbowl as an example of why only winning it all matters. My counter to that is casual fans are almost as dumb as people from Wisconsin and should never be used to support any argument.
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Good point.
 
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Kave_Man

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bionic77 said:
Yes they have made me soft but I stand by that statement. Some teams vastly overachieve and for them to come up short doesn't diminish their accomplishments. If the Browns were to make the playoffs or even win the division I would say that that was a very successful season for them and I think most would agree. You are judging every team by what your definition of success is as a Steelers fan, but you can't apply that to everyone and every fan base.

For me a successful season is the Pats being humiliated and going home losers at some point in the season. For me a VERY successful season would be that plus the Steelers winning the Superbowl. For me the greatest season of all would involve the Steelers destroying the Pats in the AFC Championship at home and then going on to win the Superbowl.

We have all seen the first two scenarios, is this year going to be the year that we get the greatest season of football the world has ever seen? Only time will tell...
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I don't speak for Browns-Age but for me hell 7-9 is a successful season for me this year. Anything more then that is just gravy on top.
 
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effzee

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Striker said:
McNabb on the current Eagles:
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He is right about the Eagles taking chances, signing all these players, TO thing, and up to how as a team you don't call yourself the dream team or claim you already won the SB. Thankfully no one but Babin and Vince Young mentioned that.

No idea what he is talking about with too many offensive weapons being a problem. Its basically the team full of skill set players I always wished they provided him in his prime.
 
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AngmarsKing701

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bionic77 said:
Yes they have made me soft but I stand by that statement. Some teams vastly overachieve and for them to come up short doesn't diminish their accomplishments. If the Browns were to make the playoffs or even win the division I would say that that was a very successful season for them and I think most would agree. You are judging every team by what your definition of success is as a Steelers fan, but you can't apply that to everyone and every fan base.

For me a successful season is the Pats being humiliated and going home losers at some point in the season. For me a VERY successful season would be that plus the Steelers winning the Superbowl. For me the greatest season of all would involve the Steelers destroying the Pats in the AFC Championship at home and then going on to win the Superbowl.

We have all seen the first two scenarios, is this year going to be the year that we get the greatest season of football the world has ever seen? Only time will tell...
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Demolishing the Ravens in the divisional round would make it even sweeter.
 
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TheFatOne

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@Greg_A_Bedard
Greg A. Bedard
As far as the Patriots' level of interest in DE Osi Umenyiora, "due diligence" is how one league source termed it.
 
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Dirtbag

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effzee said:
He is right about the Eagles taking chances, signing all these players, TO thing, and up to how as a team you don't call yourself the dream team or claim you already won the SB. Thankfully no one but Babin and Vince Young mentioned that.

No idea what he is talking about with too many offensive weapons being a problem. Its basically the team full of skill set players I always wished they provided him in his prime.
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Eagles are looking really scary.
IMO (and probably everyone else) they have had the best off-season in the NFC
Followed by Saints or Seahawks
 
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Futurevoid

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effzee said:
Its basically the team full of skill set players I always wished they provided him in his prime.
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him too:). Part of his commentary is bitterness at that fact, I'd say. The Eagles never splurged to bring in weapons for him. Now that he's gone and Vick is the QB, he gets this insane offseason of nothing but FA signings. Most of which are on the defensive side of the ball mind you but the point still stands.

Striker said:
Get your ass in camp, Prince!
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That fourth year guaranteed is causing all of the hold up. They need to get his butt in there for sure! By the end of the week, I think he'll be there.
 
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Gully State

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Defensive coordinator Gregg Williams on the signing of DT Aubreyo Franklin: "(Niners LB) Patrick Willis is crying in his milk because we got Aubrayo Franklin ."
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On a separate note, Olin Kreutz has decided not to retire and the Niners are trying to sign Malcolm Floyd.
 
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Monroeski

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jakncoke said:
Only thing that matter is winning. everything else is meaningless.
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I was responding to somebody that implied the Heat weren't worth worrying about. I would say that a team which had a great regular season and steamrolled through the playoffs to the championship is worth worrying about, whether they won in the finals or not.

I've been seeing a lot lately the sentiment that the Eagles remind people of the Heat and that means they'll suck, but the Heat most certainly didn't suck last year.
 
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Soroc

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Rex Ryan calls out to Braylon like a lost puppy :)

Rex Ryan: "If Braylon (Edwards) wants to come for what we want to pay... Come on back."
 
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squicken

Member
Monroeski said:
I was responding to somebody that implied the Heat weren't worth worrying about. I would say that a team which had a great regular season and steamrolled through the playoffs to the championship is worth worrying about, whether they won in the finals or not.

I've been seeing a lot lately the sentiment that the Eagles remind people of the Heat and that means they'll suck, but the Heat most certainly didn't suck last year.
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I think the idea is that when a bunch of ring chasers join together, like the Steve Young SB team, or the Heat last year, the goal is a championship. Anything else is failure.
 
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DMczaf

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http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Rookie-Revenge-full-guarantees.html

The first contract negotiated in this year’s first round was between the Buccaneers and Adrian Clayborn. To the surprise of many, the entire contract for the 20th pick in the NFL Draft was guaranteed.

Clayborn’s contract has become a polarizing issue in this year’s condensed negotiations. There are a few front offices around the league cursing the Buccaneers under their breath for creating a precedent that will certainly be in place now for probably the ten-year length of the deal.
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umad
 
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Manos: The Hans of Fate

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http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Eagles-made-an-offer-to-Randy-Moss.html

Between DeSean Jackson’s holdout and Jeremy Maclin’s mystery illness, it makes sense that the Philadelphia Eagles would be in the market to add another wide receiver to the roster.

And with the series of high-profile transactions the team has pulled off in the last week, it should come as no surprise that at one point, there was reportedly an interest in free agent Randy Moss.

Karen Guregian of the Boston Herald is reporting that the Eagles reached out to Moss and offered him a one-year contract after the Pro Bowl wide receiver had filed his retirement papers.

Sometimes timing is everything.

Whether or not Moss would have accepted the offer had he not already filed his retirement papers remains to be seen, but we’re still of the belief that we haven’t seen the last of one of the greatest receivers to ever play the game
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That would have been kind of odd to see.
 
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Futurevoid

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Monroeski said:
I've been seeing a lot lately the sentiment that the Eagles remind people of the Heat and that means they'll suck
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Anyone that thinks the Eagles are going to '"suck" is ridiculous. The Eagles have been consistently competitive for years. Both in terms of regular season wins and playoff appearances/wins. They've added major pieces to a defense that was problematic and woefully bad in the red zone. Whether that defense comes together with all of these new pieces with a new defensive coordinator *(formerly the offensive line coach), new scheme etc. remains to be seen. Whether Mike Vick can remain healthy with his play style remains to be seen.

I get the hype but you've got Banner saying they're "all in" which sets the expectation that its Super Bowl in or bust for the team. If they don't make it or win - it will be viewed as a failure. Fair or not.
 
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Marleyman

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jakncoke said:
Very true on all points. The greatest season of all that i would envision would come down as the following winning the division with 14-2 record. Beating the Ravens 35-0 in the division, beating the Pats 51-6 in the afc championship and beating the Packers 41-0 in the SB. This would make my life.
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Fuck yes. The 2 teams that have the best chance of beating the Steelers are the Pats and Packers; to beat them both this season would be life-fulfilling.
 
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Futurevoid

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Well, that's that.

MikeGarafolo Mike Garafolo
BREAKING: Giants rescind permission for Osi Umenyiora to seek a trade
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http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2011/08/giants_tell_osi_umenyiora_agen.html?mobRedir=false

The window for the Giants to trade Osi Umenyiora has apparently closed.

The team informed the two-time Pro Bowl defensive end today he and his agent are no longer allowed to seek a trade partner, according to someone informed of the conversation between the two camps today.

The person, who requested anonymity because the talks were to remain private, said the team's reasoning was Umenyiora's agent, Tony Agnone, has been unable to find a team willing to give up a first-round pick. A report in the Baltimore Sun Tuesday said the Giants had lowered their asking price for Umenyiora, though today's decision demonstrates the team's valuation of Umenyiora on the trade market has not changed.
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That Giants aren't budging.
 
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Gigglepoo

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The Niners had an excellent front seven last year. Now they suck. And that as their one strength. Can the league go on strike again?
 
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Wellington

BAAAALLLINNN'
I'm gonna miss Deon Grant, but TT at that third S position sounds epic. He's a great tackler and has excellent ball skills. The problem for me is that he's a good #2, so if Prince isn't up to par come week 1, who starts at #2 CB? I guess it's Aaron Ross, which I definitely do not mind, but moving TT is like asking a gold glove short stop to play third base.

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CB3

intangibles, motherfucker
Wellington said:
I'm gonna miss Deon Grant, but TT at that third S position sounds epic. He's a great tackler and has excellent ball skills. The problem for me is that he's a good #2, so if Prince isn't up to par come week 1, who starts at #2 CB? I guess it's Aaron Ross, which I definitely do not mind, but moving TT is like asking a gold glove short stop to play third base.

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Get that baseball shit outta here
 
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TheLegendary

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So glad football is back. There should be bans given out for mentioning baseball from now on.

Edit: Fewell is still using his 3 safety scheme that worked so well last year? LOL

I wish we played them again. This time it'd be 70-0
 
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Nemesis121

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TheLegendary said:
So glad football is back. There should be bans given out for mentioning baseball from now on.

Edit: Fewell is still using his 3 safety scheme that worked so well last year? LOL

I wish we played them again. This time it'd be 70-0
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Diehard fan failure not knowing your schedule, we play week 13...
 
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JABEE

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Striker said:
McNabb on the current Eagles:
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This sounds like someone that wishes they were still on the Eagles. He starts listing off the names and realizes that they are pretty good and decides to add the "how are they going to get them the ball" part. McNabb is right when he says the Eagles didn't give him the offensive weapons when he was throwing balls to Torrence Small, James Thrash, and Todd Pinkston. I still believe that if they had T.O. or an elite receiver for one of the four years they lost in the NFC Championship, they would have won one. The Eagles defense back then was outstanding under Jim Johnson with Brian Dawkins, Bobby Taylor, Hugh Douglas, Jeremiah Trotter, Corey Simon. It was a shame they never went all in before 2004.
 
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Skiptastic

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TheApatheticOne said:
Colts not acting like the Colts by signing DE Jamaal Anderson, LB Ernie Sims, and DT Tommie Harris. Dont know much about these guys, pretty much a collection of busts?
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Veterans who were promising early on but have been struggling. Maybe a Booger situation where they know the D and can contribute (especially hoping for Tommie Harris in this respect). Not much risk. It's still kind of the Colts way in that we're not going out and getting big name, young FAs.
 
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