Official NFL Divisional Round -- The no-fieldgoal offense. Nomentum vs. the Media
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yankeehater
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bionic77 said:
I would have no problem with them making it a competition this year, but then you lose any value that you could get for Don. I also dont see how changing QB's is suicide at all. The Redskins won 3 super bowls with 3 different QB's, and the Steelers dropped Neil for Ben even though Neil had taken them to a super bowl. Don will be 34 this year and he, Kolb, and Vick are all entering their final contract years. I think that Vick saying he would be happy to come back as the #2 QB really helped move this along. If Kolb stumbles for some reason, at least you have a proven QB in place.
philly letting McNabb go would be an awful decision don't get me wrong I won't feel sorry one bit. McNabb is a huge reason the eagles have BEEN in the playoffs. I don't think you can ask a QB to do more with what he has been given. Eagles FO should have been looking for a new HC Reid won't bring philly a ring ever!
If the Eagles think that their personnel, particularly on defense, prohibits them from making extended playoff runs in the next couple of years, then they should definitely trade McNabb.
I'm not familiar enough with Philly to know if the last couple of games were aberrations or if the OLine and defense really are that terrible.
I'm not familiar enough with Philly to know if the last couple of games were aberrations or if the OLine and defense really are that terrible.
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harSon said:
What was the name of that no name Steeler's corner who was talking shit about the Patriots in 2007 then got torched on the two biggest plays in the game? I want to compare his stats to Gay's.
yankeehater
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squicken said:
Oline and defense were decimated by injuries this year. I think both groups will bee much better next year, especially Oline.
Franchise qb's don't grow on trees. You hold onto him until he can no longer win games and then you rebuild. Assuming you will catch lightening in a bottle two times in a row really underestimates how hard it is to get a good qb in this league. IF management knows that Kolb is good enough to carry the franchise then they should make the move, from what I saw of the guy I sure as hell wasn't convinced.Cheeto said:
First of all, your facts are all wrong. Neil Odonnel was dropped after he choked in the Superbowl and was playing as a backup for other teams for 10 years before Ben played a single snap. Ben only came in because of injury to Tommy Maddux and his winning the next 14 games in a row is why he stayed in that position after that.yankeehater said:
Like I said before, franchise qb's don't grow on trees. Do you really see Kolb being a better option than McNabb in the next two years? The Eagles could still contend for a Superbowl in the next two years if everything goes McNabb's way. Can you say the same with Kolb or Vick back there?
To me it would be retarded to rebuild. The Eagles should focus everything on winning the Superbowl in the next two years while McNabb still has a shot and their fast closing window of opportunity is still open. You really underestimate how hard it is to win in the NFL. There is no guarantee that the Eagles will ever get back to this level after McNabb and Reid leave. Eagles fans should enjoy it while they can.
So your choice is to either gamble and go for it now or become the Niners, where you are peeking in at the playoffs but never make it. I would go for the Superbowl, but that is just me.
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Oh shit LT dance video on NFL Live, no running from this LT....
yankeehater
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I am only going by what the coaches a personal people for the Eagles have said on Eagles Live every day, but they constantly talk about how much confidence they have in Kevin. I think that Don is a definite HoF QB, but Dallas did show that if you take away the big play and force him to dink and dunk you down the field he has trouble with that. I will say that going no huddle was a bigger problem with the O then don being inaccurate, but he missed a bunch or short passes at the begining of that game, and that really hurt them.
The Eagles are one of the most talented teams in the NFL, and I have no doubt that either Kolb or Vick would be able to get them into the playoffs. Plus hopefully the Bills give us a crazy offer like Denver got for Cutler. The Eagles do a great job with the draft, and if we could get 2 first round picks, hopefully we can get the d help that we need.
The Eagles are one of the most talented teams in the NFL, and I have no doubt that either Kolb or Vick would be able to get them into the playoffs. Plus hopefully the Bills give us a crazy offer like Denver got for Cutler. The Eagles do a great job with the draft, and if we could get 2 first round picks, hopefully we can get the d help that we need.
Anton Sugar
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Christ. QBs vs Tim Jennings have a 97 passer rating, and 70% of passes thrown his way are completed. Thank God our corners are healthy.
please dont listen to the people on the eagles website. they are a bunch of idiots and of course the coaches are gonna praise the players. they arent gonna say oh yeah Kevin Kolb is trash.
Everyone who thinks that going with a QB other than Donovan is gonna be simple and easy and we're gonna make the playoffs is crazy. Its the only reason I cant wait till he leaves. So everyone can see what exactly how much they took him for granted.
Everyone who thinks that going with a QB other than Donovan is gonna be simple and easy and we're gonna make the playoffs is crazy. Its the only reason I cant wait till he leaves. So everyone can see what exactly how much they took him for granted.
I pretty much disagree with everything you wrote, but the bolded part is especially wrong.yankeehater said:
I can't really argue this anymore because I said everything I can say on the subject. Too bad you didn't enjoy the success you had with McNabb while it lasted. CB3 is right that it will hit you hard when the Eagles start to suck balls after McNabb is gone.
bionic77 said:
Brett Favre and Joe Montana were shipped out so young QBs (Rodgers and Young) could take over. If you sit your backup for too long, you risk losing them. So if you have someone who can play, it's better to dump the old choker and bring in fresh blood. If Kolb can play.
Those are the exceptions. It is fucking hard to replace a franchise qb. Niners and the Packers were exceptionally lucky that they had not one, but two fucking franchise qb's on the roster at the same time.Gigglepoo said:
And honestly as good as Young was, he was no Montana.
That was ice cold.levious said:
Are the Eagles in the same situation as the Packers? As in, Kolb's contract status? The Packers essentially had to make a move to ensure Rodgers would stick with the team. He would have been a free agent after last season, and with Favre thumbing his asshole the entire off season (we all know it would have happened again) Rodgers would have signed elsewhere.
If the Eagles are in the same spot, play him or lose him essentially, than I have even less of a problem with shipping out old and busted.
And Donovan can't be a hall of famer because he was never the most feared quarterback of his generation. (And he hates God)
If the Eagles are in the same spot, play him or lose him essentially, than I have even less of a problem with shipping out old and busted.
And Donovan can't be a hall of famer because he was never the most feared quarterback of his generation. (And he hates God)
Losing Don isn't ideal, but if a nice offer were to emerge for #5 (and it doesn't have to be purely 1st-round picks, they're overrated anyway imo. Stocking up on 2's is just as good and cost-efficient even without the cap) Then the FO should strongly consider it. We do need all the picks we can get to re-stock/re-build that defense, especially the linebacker-secondary groupings which aren't good enough, even without factoring in the injuries to Stew-Brad and others.
The offense besides QB is fine, and the O-Line should be okay, but we need to see what the fuck is up with the Andrews brothers so we can potentially move on from them as well.
The offense besides QB is fine, and the O-Line should be okay, but we need to see what the fuck is up with the Andrews brothers so we can potentially move on from them as well.
bionic77 said:
Oh, I know. I think it's ridiculous how successful McNabb has been. I know I bring this up over and over again, but he makes the playoffs every season whereas Brees has only been three times in eight seasons. That's telling. But if they think Kolb can fill his shoes, they have to make the move.
bionic77 said:
Not even close. Honestly, they probably could have won one more Super Bowl with Montana, so I'm not sure it ultimately helped the team. Montana is the best QB ever, though. Considering how old he was getting and how often he was injured, it made sense at the time. Somehow. I wouldn't have been a Niner fan if they didn't make the move!
This is how the offseason will go
Donovan gets 1 more shot. Vick is gone. Get a FA LB. Defense is the focus in the draft (Taylor Mays please please please. Also probably another RB, Westbrook is probably done).
Stacy Andrews stays. Shawn gets the boot. I think we get atleast 1 more run out the current roster and rookies next year before they make a tough decision on Donovan
Donovan gets 1 more shot. Vick is gone. Get a FA LB. Defense is the focus in the draft (Taylor Mays please please please. Also probably another RB, Westbrook is probably done).
Stacy Andrews stays. Shawn gets the boot. I think we get atleast 1 more run out the current roster and rookies next year before they make a tough decision on Donovan
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I think this is something everyone can agree on.LiveWire said:Hey levious, guess what?
yankeehater
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CB3 said:
If you give Don one more shot then you have to lose him next year for nothing in return. He has only one more year on his deal, just like Vick, and Kolb. Kolb is not going to re-sign to be Don's caddy any longer. I really think you have to make a choice this year. Don is a great QB, imo one of the best, but he is 34 and the Eagles are coming off a horrible loss, which he is at least partly responsible for. I think Kolb has shown enough that you have to re-sign him.
As can be seen in that graph, all teams that start with C are favored by GAF to win.
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I think it is time for the Eagles to trade McNabb unless they plan to stick with him for 5-6 years. Trade McNabb while you can still get something for him. Let Kolb play out a year before having to invest heavily in him.
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I think it is time for the Eagles to trade McNabb unless they plan to stick with him for 5-6 years. Trade McNabb while you can still get something for him. Let Kolb play out a year before having to invest heavily in him.
Anton Sugar
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Nightz said:He's getting a lot of crap about it from his teammates. :lol
So amazing. I hope he busts it out if he scores a TD.
CB3 said:
i seriously think you guys have gone as far as you could with mcnabb. mcnabb is like Dirk. I don't realistically think either player can take their team to the championship anymore.
And you don't know for sure what Kolb is all about unless you give him a chance to show it (I also remember you giving cowboys a lot of shit for benching Bledsoe for Romo
).http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/9112/did-revis-get-robbed-of-dpoy-honor
Did Revis get robbed of DPOY honor?
Lowest Burn Percentage Among CBs*
Player/Team Percentage
1).Darrelle Revis, Jets 37.0
2).Jabari Greer, Saints 37.9
3).Dwight Lowery, Jets 40.7
4).Drayton Florence, Bills 45.3
5).Leon Hall, Bengals 45.3
6).Lito Sheppard, Jets 45.6
* Minimum 50 targets.
3 Jets players in Lowest Burn Percentage Among CB's. SICK!!!
Look who's #2! Can't wait to get him back on the field.
For the record, I do think Revis was snubbed, because he's faced far more potent offenses/receivers then Greenbay has... no disrespect to Woodson.
Did Revis get robbed of DPOY honor?
Lowest Burn Percentage Among CBs*
Player/Team Percentage
1).Darrelle Revis, Jets 37.0
2).Jabari Greer, Saints 37.9
3).Dwight Lowery, Jets 40.7
4).Drayton Florence, Bills 45.3
5).Leon Hall, Bengals 45.3
6).Lito Sheppard, Jets 45.6
* Minimum 50 targets.
3 Jets players in Lowest Burn Percentage Among CB's. SICK!!!
Look who's #2! Can't wait to get him back on the field.
For the record, I do think Revis was snubbed, because he's faced far more potent offenses/receivers then Greenbay has... no disrespect to Woodson.
talisayNon
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I don't know what "burn" is, but I can tell you right now it's a garbage statistic if Dwight Lowery's anywhere near the top 3 of that list.
talisayNon said:
Stats Inc. records what it calls "burns," the number of times a defender allows a reception to the man he's covering. Stats Inc. then divides that by the number of times the defender is targeted to compute a "burn percentage," a stat in which Revis led the NFL.
It's a pretty solid way of computing a CB's effectiveness on covering a pass.
Anton Sugar
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Reading through this, discovering some things I didn't know and a trip down memory lane in others: http://coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_3095_Shanks_for_the_memories:_decade's_best_playoff_games.html
:lol
:lol :lol I wonder how horrible the fan fallout was?
DeaconKnowledge
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