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bionic77 said:
Trading a franchise quarterback who is still playing at a very high level for an unproven young guy is suicide. If the Eagles really want to give Kolb a chance then make it an open competition before next season.

Also, a lot of qb's come in and do really well until team's have built up some game tape on them. Lets see how Kolb does after he has played in 8 or 10 games and people know his tendencies before he is crowned. But, hey if the Eagles want to overreact after a bad playoff loss in a game in which the qb had almost no chance to succeed and start over I am sure the Redskins will be happy that they will no longer be the worst team in the NFC East.
So how long do you hold onto McNabb? Until he retires?
 
captive said:
by "clowned" you mean "had offensive PI committed and not called all game" right?
Last time i checked pushing the defender down was not allowed, even in this offensively dominated NFL.
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bionic77 said:
Trading a franchise quarterback who is still playing at a very high level for an unproven young guy is suicide.

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bionic77 said:
Trading a franchise quarterback who is still playing at a very high level for an unproven young guy is suicide. If the Eagles really want to give Kolb a chance then make it an open competition before next season.

Also, a lot of qb's come in and do really well until team's have built up some game tape on them. Lets see how Kolb does after he has played in 8 or 10 games and people know his tendencies before he is crowned. But, hey if the Eagles want to overreact after a bad playoff loss in a game in which the qb had almost no chance to succeed and start over I am sure the Redskins will be happy that they will no longer be the worst team in the NFC East.


I would have no problem with them making it a competition this year, but then you lose any value that you could get for Don. I also dont see how changing QB's is suicide at all. The Redskins won 3 super bowls with 3 different QB's, and the Steelers dropped Neil for Ben even though Neil had taken them to a super bowl. Don will be 34 this year and he, Kolb, and Vick are all entering their final contract years. I think that Vick saying he would be happy to come back as the #2 QB really helped move this along. If Kolb stumbles for some reason, at least you have a proven QB in place.
 
philly letting McNabb go would be an awful decision don't get me wrong I won't feel sorry one bit. McNabb is a huge reason the eagles have BEEN in the playoffs. I don't think you can ask a QB to do more with what he has been given. Eagles FO should have been looking for a new HC Reid won't bring philly a ring ever!
 
If the Eagles think that their personnel, particularly on defense, prohibits them from making extended playoff runs in the next couple of years, then they should definitely trade McNabb.

I'm not familiar enough with Philly to know if the last couple of games were aberrations or if the OLine and defense really are that terrible.
 
eznark said:
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lets not forget the defender of the fresh biscuit

squicken said:
If the Eagles think that their personnel, particularly on defense, prohibits them from making extended playoff runs in the next couple of years, then they should definitely trade McNabb.

I'm not familiar enough with Philly to know if the last couple of games were aberrations or if the OLine and defense really are that terrible.
Defense has been worn thin this season, and they weren't elite to begin with.
 
harSon said:
Jesus Christ, William gay is bad.

Targeted 105 times in which 71 (67.6%) of the passes were completed for a total of 775 yards.


What was the name of that no name Steeler's corner who was talking shit about the Patriots in 2007 then got torched on the two biggest plays in the game? I want to compare his stats to Gay's.
 
squicken said:
If the Eagles think that their personnel, particularly on defense, prohibits them from making extended playoff runs in the next couple of years, then they should definitely trade McNabb.

I'm not familiar enough with Philly to know if the last couple of games were aberrations or if the OLine and defense really are that terrible.


Oline and defense were decimated by injuries this year. I think both groups will bee much better next year, especially Oline.
 
Cheeto said:
So how long do you hold onto McNabb? Until he retires?
Franchise qb's don't grow on trees. You hold onto him until he can no longer win games and then you rebuild. Assuming you will catch lightening in a bottle two times in a row really underestimates how hard it is to get a good qb in this league. IF management knows that Kolb is good enough to carry the franchise then they should make the move, from what I saw of the guy I sure as hell wasn't convinced.

yankeehater said:
I would have no problem with them making it a competition this year, but then you lose any value that you could get for Don. I also dont see how changing QB's is suicide at all. The Redskins won 3 super bowls with 3 different QB's, and the Steelers dropped Neil for Ben even though Neil had taken them to a super bowl. Don will be 34 this year and he, Kolb, and Vick are all entering their final contract years. I think that Vick saying he would be happy to come back as the #2 QB really helped move this along. If Kolb stumbles for some reason, at least you have a proven QB in place.
First of all, your facts are all wrong. Neil Odonnel was dropped after he choked in the Superbowl and was playing as a backup for other teams for 10 years before Ben played a single snap. Ben only came in because of injury to Tommy Maddux and his winning the next 14 games in a row is why he stayed in that position after that.

Like I said before, franchise qb's don't grow on trees. Do you really see Kolb being a better option than McNabb in the next two years? The Eagles could still contend for a Superbowl in the next two years if everything goes McNabb's way. Can you say the same with Kolb or Vick back there?

To me it would be retarded to rebuild. The Eagles should focus everything on winning the Superbowl in the next two years while McNabb still has a shot and their fast closing window of opportunity is still open. You really underestimate how hard it is to win in the NFL. There is no guarantee that the Eagles will ever get back to this level after McNabb and Reid leave. Eagles fans should enjoy it while they can.

So your choice is to either gamble and go for it now or become the Niners, where you are peeking in at the playoffs but never make it. I would go for the Superbowl, but that is just me.
 
I am only going by what the coaches a personal people for the Eagles have said on Eagles Live every day, but they constantly talk about how much confidence they have in Kevin. I think that Don is a definite HoF QB, but Dallas did show that if you take away the big play and force him to dink and dunk you down the field he has trouble with that. I will say that going no huddle was a bigger problem with the O then don being inaccurate, but he missed a bunch or short passes at the begining of that game, and that really hurt them.

The Eagles are one of the most talented teams in the NFL, and I have no doubt that either Kolb or Vick would be able to get them into the playoffs. Plus hopefully the Bills give us a crazy offer like Denver got for Cutler. The Eagles do a great job with the draft, and if we could get 2 first round picks, hopefully we can get the d help that we need.
 
please dont listen to the people on the eagles website. they are a bunch of idiots and of course the coaches are gonna praise the players. they arent gonna say oh yeah Kevin Kolb is trash.

Everyone who thinks that going with a QB other than Donovan is gonna be simple and easy and we're gonna make the playoffs is crazy. Its the only reason I cant wait till he leaves. So everyone can see what exactly how much they took him for granted.
 
yankeehater said:
I am only going by what the coaches a personal people for the Eagles have said on Eagles Live every day, but they constantly talk about how much confidence they have in Kevin. I think that Don is a definite HoF QB, but Dallas did show that if you take away the big play and force him to dink and dunk you down the field he has trouble with that. I will say that going no huddle was a bigger problem with the O then don being inaccurate, but he missed a bunch or short passes at the begining of that game, and that really hurt them.

The Eagles are one of the most talented teams in the NFL, and I have no doubt that either Kolb or Vick would be able to get them into the playoffs. Plus hopefully the Bills give us a crazy offer like Denver got for Cutler. The Eagles do a great job with the draft, and if we could get 2 first round picks, hopefully we can get the d help that we need.
I pretty much disagree with everything you wrote, but the bolded part is especially wrong.

I can't really argue this anymore because I said everything I can say on the subject. Too bad you didn't enjoy the success you had with McNabb while it lasted. CB3 is right that it will hit you hard when the Eagles start to suck balls after McNabb is gone.
 
bionic77 said:
Trading a franchise quarterback who is still playing at a very high level for an unproven young guy is suicide.

Brett Favre and Joe Montana were shipped out so young QBs (Rodgers and Young) could take over. If you sit your backup for too long, you risk losing them. So if you have someone who can play, it's better to dump the old choker and bring in fresh blood. If Kolb can play.
 
even if they dump McNabb, Redskins have one more probable year in the cellar since they might go with Campbell for one more year.
 
Gigglepoo said:
Brett Favre and Joe Montana were shipped out so young QBs (Rodgers and Young) could take over. If you sit your backup for too long, you risk losing them. So if you have someone who can play, it's better to dump the old choker and bring in fresh blood. If Kolb can play.
Those are the exceptions. It is fucking hard to replace a franchise qb. Niners and the Packers were exceptionally lucky that they had not one, but two fucking franchise qb's on the roster at the same time.

And honestly as good as Young was, he was no Montana.

levious said:
even if they dump McNabb, Redskins have one more probable year in the cellar since they might go with Campbell for one more year.
That was ice cold.
 
Are the Eagles in the same situation as the Packers? As in, Kolb's contract status? The Packers essentially had to make a move to ensure Rodgers would stick with the team. He would have been a free agent after last season, and with Favre thumbing his asshole the entire off season (we all know it would have happened again) Rodgers would have signed elsewhere.

If the Eagles are in the same spot, play him or lose him essentially, than I have even less of a problem with shipping out old and busted.

And Donovan can't be a hall of famer because he was never the most feared quarterback of his generation. (And he hates God)
 
Kolb is in the final year of his contract this upcoming season.

If McNabb were to win 1 ring i think he's in. Without it, i dont think he makes it.
 
Losing Don isn't ideal, but if a nice offer were to emerge for #5 (and it doesn't have to be purely 1st-round picks, they're overrated anyway imo. Stocking up on 2's is just as good and cost-efficient even without the cap) Then the FO should strongly consider it. We do need all the picks we can get to re-stock/re-build that defense, especially the linebacker-secondary groupings which aren't good enough, even without factoring in the injuries to Stew-Brad and others.

The offense besides QB is fine, and the O-Line should be okay, but we need to see what the fuck is up with the Andrews brothers so we can potentially move on from them as well.
 
bionic77 said:
Those are the exceptions. It is fucking hard to replace a franchise qb. Niners and the Packers were exceptionally lucky that they had not one, but two fucking franchise qb's on the roster at the same time.

Oh, I know. I think it's ridiculous how successful McNabb has been. I know I bring this up over and over again, but he makes the playoffs every season whereas Brees has only been three times in eight seasons. That's telling. But if they think Kolb can fill his shoes, they have to make the move.

bionic77 said:
And honestly as good as Young was, he was no Montana.

Not even close. Honestly, they probably could have won one more Super Bowl with Montana, so I'm not sure it ultimately helped the team. Montana is the best QB ever, though. Considering how old he was getting and how often he was injured, it made sense at the time. Somehow. I wouldn't have been a Niner fan if they didn't make the move!
 
This is how the offseason will go

Donovan gets 1 more shot. Vick is gone. Get a FA LB. Defense is the focus in the draft (Taylor Mays please please please. Also probably another RB, Westbrook is probably done).

Stacy Andrews stays. Shawn gets the boot. I think we get atleast 1 more run out the current roster and rookies next year before they make a tough decision on Donovan
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
What was the name of that no name Steeler's corner who was talking shit about the Patriots in 2007 then got torched on the two biggest plays in the game? I want to compare his stats to Gay's.

Anthony Smith
 
CB3 said:
This is how the offseason will go

Donovan gets 1 more shot. Vick is gone. Get a FA LB. Defense is the focus in the draft (Taylor Mays please please please. Also probably another RB, Westbrook is probably done).

Stacy Andrews stays. Shawn gets the boot. I think we get atleast 1 more run out the current roster and rookies next year before they make a tough decision on Donovan


If you give Don one more shot then you have to lose him next year for nothing in return. He has only one more year on his deal, just like Vick, and Kolb. Kolb is not going to re-sign to be Don's caddy any longer. I really think you have to make a choice this year. Don is a great QB, imo one of the best, but he is 34 and the Eagles are coming off a horrible loss, which he is at least partly responsible for. I think Kolb has shown enough that you have to re-sign him.
 
jesus that LT video is all over ESPN today :lol
Edit: holy fuck Jackie MacMullan just flowed on around the horn :lol :lol :lol
 
yankeehater said:
If you give Don one more shot then you have to lose him next year for nothing in return. He has only one more year on his deal, just like Vick, and Kolb. Kolb is not going to re-sign to be Don's caddy any longer. I really think you have to make a choice this year. Don is a great QB, imo one of the best, but he is 34 and the Eagles are coming off a horrible loss, which he is at least partly responsible for. I think Kolb has shown enough that you have to re-sign him.

You can lose Franchise QB's for nothing. Donovan gives us a chance at the superbowl. Kevin Kolb will be lucky to make the playoffs. Ill take that chance of 1 more year to win it all then to be mediocre for even longer
 
As can be seen in that graph, all teams that start with C are favored by GAF to win.


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I think it is time for the Eagles to trade McNabb unless they plan to stick with him for 5-6 years. Trade McNabb while you can still get something for him. Let Kolb play out a year before having to invest heavily in him.
 
CB3 said:
You can lose Franchise QB's for nothing. Donovan gives us a chance at the superbowl. Kevin Kolb will be lucky to make the playoffs. Ill take that chance of 1 more year to win it all then to be mediocre for even longer

i seriously think you guys have gone as far as you could with mcnabb. mcnabb is like Dirk. I don't realistically think either player can take their team to the championship anymore.

And you don't know for sure what Kolb is all about unless you give him a chance to show it (I also remember you giving cowboys a lot of shit for benching Bledsoe for Romo :p ).
 
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/9112/did-revis-get-robbed-of-dpoy-honor

Did Revis get robbed of DPOY honor?


The debate already has started over whether New York Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis was snubbed when the Associated Press passed him over for defensive player of the year.

Revis established himself as perhaps the best lockdown defender in the NFL, but Green Bay Packers cornerback Charles Woodson won the award with a more complete statistical season.

I agree with AP's selection, although I'm a tad surprised the competition wasn't closer. Woodson received 28 votes, while Revis had half that. They accounted for 84 percent of the vote.

NFC North raconteur Kevin Seifert conceded in his commentary that Revis had superior pass-coverage skills, but Woodson showed throughout 2009 he deserved the award more.

"If you game plan well, it's possible to limit the impact of a shutdown corner like Revis," Seifert writes. "But when your skills cross so many platforms, as Woodson's do, it's impossible to diminish his presence."

Readers have gotten passionate in their arguments.


In the comment section of my initial post about Revis coming in a distant second to Woodson, a couple of readers who saw my recent posts about "burn percentage" wanted to know how Revis and Woodson compared.

Stats Inc. records what it calls "burns," the number of times a defender allows a reception to the man he's covering. Stats Inc. then divides that by the number of times the defender is targeted to compute a "burn percentage," a stat in which Revis led the NFL.

Revis: 40 receptions on 108 targets (37.0 percent) for 439 yards and two touchdowns.

Woodson: 40 receptions on 84 targets (47.6 percent) for 560 yards and six touchdowns.

Lowest Burn Percentage Among CBs*
Player/Team Percentage
1).Darrelle Revis, Jets 37.0
2).Jabari Greer, Saints 37.9
3).Dwight Lowery, Jets 40.7
4).Drayton Florence, Bills 45.3
5).Leon Hall, Bengals 45.3
6).Lito Sheppard, Jets 45.6
* Minimum 50 targets.

3 Jets players in Lowest Burn Percentage Among CB's. SICK!!!


Look who's #2! Can't wait to get him back on the field.


For the record, I do think Revis was snubbed, because he's faced far more potent offenses/receivers then Greenbay has... no disrespect to Woodson.
 
I don't know what "burn" is, but I can tell you right now it's a garbage statistic if Dwight Lowery's anywhere near the top 3 of that list.
 
talisayNon said:
I don't know what "burn" is, but I can tell you right now it's a garbage statistic if Dwight Lowery's anywhere near the top 3 of that list.

Stats Inc. records what it calls "burns," the number of times a defender allows a reception to the man he's covering. Stats Inc. then divides that by the number of times the defender is targeted to compute a "burn percentage," a stat in which Revis led the NFL.

It's a pretty solid way of computing a CB's effectiveness on covering a pass.
 
For the record, I do think Revis was snubbed, because he's faced far more potent offenses/receivers then Greenbay has... no disrespect to Woodson.

Way to blow up your case for Drew Brees.

It's a pretty solid way of computing a CB's effectiveness on covering a pass.
And like I said, Woodson didn't win the award based on his coverage skills.
 
Reading through this, discovering some things I didn't know and a trip down memory lane in others: http://coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_3095_Shanks_for_the_memories:_decade's_best_playoff_games.html

But BrettFavre made the biggest gaffe of all on the first play of overtime: his off-target pass was intercepted by defensive back Corey Webster, allowing Tynes to trot back in for another shot. Third time was the charm: the kicker converted a 47 yarder – the longest every by a visiting kicker at Lambeau Field in the postseason. His boot came 17 years to the day of Matt Bahr's game-winning field goal in the NFC championship game to send the Giants to Super Bowl XXV.

The INT, meanwhile, was Favre last pass as a member of the Packers and his second career pass attempt in postseason OT. Both were intercepted.
:lol

St. Louis rallied with a 15-play touchdown drive and two-point conversion that cut their deficit to 23-20 with 2:39 to play. Wilkins then pulled off a truly rare feat: he recovered his own onside kick, setting up a chance for a Rams victory.

But St. Louis coach Mike Martz responded with a gutless coaching decisions: with 39 seconds remaining and one timeout, the Rams faced a first and ten from the Carolina 15-yard line. Martz voluntarily pulled in the reins on the NFC’s highest scoring team and ran down the clock, setting up a 33-yard field goal that sent the game into overtime.
:lol :lol I wonder how horrible the fan fallout was?
 
it's kind of dumb if you don't take into account down and distance. who cares if the CB gives up a 5 yard pass on 3rd and 10. At least FootballOutsiders takes that into account.
 
Fox318 said:
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Good work with the charts and graphs. Now we'll see how bad we are at prognostication.


:lol OMG LT.


Edit: I need a historian. Why on earth did St. Louis let go of Kurt Warner?
 
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