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Official NHL April Thread: welcome to the Raycroft Memorial, take off your shoes plz
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Kabuki Waq
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Malakhov said:Not when it's empty no, then you don't have a farm left. DUH.
oh btw Malakov you do remember our bet right?
Malakhov said:Not when it's empty no, then you don't have a farm left. DUH.
Jeebus, when you have a ton of young guys on the team you have some years to replenish your farm system. Unless of course you want your farm system chock full of guys who never make the jump. Here's a list of former Leaf draft picks currently on the team. I listed Kaberle since you keep loving to mention Markov as a prospect yet he's the same age as Kaberle.
kaberle - 29
potocoffee - 26
wellwood - 23
stajan - 23
steen - 23
antropov - 27
white - 22
colaiacovo - 24
wozniewski - 26
Kabuki Waq
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Manics said:Jeebus, when you have a ton of young guys on the team you have some years to replenish your farm system. Unless of course you want your farm system chock full of guys who never make the jump. Here's a list of former Leaf draft picks currently on the team. I listed Kaberle since you keep loving to mention Markov as a prospect yet he's the same age as Kaberle.
kaberle - 29
potocoffee - 26
wellwood - 23
stajan - 23
steen - 23
antropov - 27
white - 22
colaiacovo - 24
wozniewski - 26
how old are Kronwall, Pohl, and Poni?
29 yr old prospect rule!
Kabuki Waq said:how old are Kronwall, Pohl, and Poni?
29 yr old prospect rule!
PotOCoffee already listed.
Kronwall - 24
Pohl - 27
Kabuki Waq
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Manics said:PotOCoffee already listed.
Kronwall - 24
Pohl - 27
oh dont forget we have Kris Newberry as well By habs logic he should be in line to be the next Captain
Foreign Jackass
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Manics said:Jeebus, when you have a ton of young guys on the team you have some years to replenish your farm system. Unless of course you want your farm system chock full of guys who never make the jump. Here's a list of former Leaf draft picks currently on the team. I listed Kaberle since you keep loving to mention Markov as a prospect yet he's the same age as Kaberle.
kaberle - 29
potocoffee - 26
wellwood - 23
stajan - 23
steen - 23
antropov - 27
white - 22
colaiacovo - 24
wozniewski - 26
That's all you could come up with? Stats-wise that's far from impressive. Nobody on this list tops Plekanec or Latendresse in potential if you look at points, goals and age. Defense is a'right I guess but no one on there is better or more valuable than Komisarek.
And how is that goalie situation coming along?
Not really, since most of these guys have been there for a couple of years and you're still fighting for the last playoff spot, and our farm is still full of prospects and we're 1 position ahead of you. Good luck!Manics said:I love how people whip out "Hockeysfuture" as proof of the great talent lying in the ranks for the Habs. They have a funny comment about the Leafs, the farm system has been "decimated by the graduation of several players to the NHL ranks" -- isn't the job of the farm system to get guys ready for the NHL? The fact that so many of the Leaf farm hands made the team is a good sign no? :lol
Foreign Jackass said:That's all you could come up with? Stats-wise that's far from impressive. Nobody on this list tops Plekanec or Latendresse in potential if you look at points, goals and age. Defense is a'right I guess but no one on there is better or more valuable than Komisarek.
And how is that goalie situation coming along?
Eh? Points and age? C'mon man. Antropov had more points then Latendstiff at 19 what does that prove? Ian White at 22 would lead the Habs defence in plus/minus. Pogge is the future in net and every goalie prospect is a risk until they prove they can play at the NHL level. If he's the one, it's all they need for a good 10 years or more.
P.S. Wellwood is younger then Plekanec and has better points per game.
Foreign Jackass
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Manics said:Eh? Points and age? C'mon man. Antropov had more points then Latendstiff at 19 what does that prove? Ian White at 22 would lead the Habs defence in plus/minus. Pogge is the future in net and every goalie prospect is a risk until they prove they can play at the NHL level. If he's the one, it's all they need for a good 10 years or more.
P.S. Wellwood is younger then Plekanec and has better points per game.
Oh, I forgot that +- was a good indication of a player's talent. Perezhogin is better than Ian White then! What a bunch of crock.
The problem with Antropov is that he's already proven that he's a bust, therefore Latendresse has at least the advantage of having the future ahead of him.
I don't even see where the argument is. You're behind us in the standings. If you get ahead it will be because of loss in overtime. Your prospects are all in your team. Our prospects are mostly still in first year or still in the farm. Again, we're ahead of you in the standings. Our farm is better. Shall I repeat?
Kabuki Waq
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Foreign Jackass said:Oh, I forgot that +- was a good indication of a player's talent. Perezhogin is better than Ian White then! What a bunch of crock.
The problem with Antropov is that he's already proven that he's a bust, therefore Latendresse has at least the advantage of having the future ahead of him.
I don't even see where the argument is. You're behind us in the standings. If you get ahead it will be because of loss in overtime. Your prospects are all in your team. Our prospects are mostly still in first year or still in the farm. Again, we're ahead of you in the standings. Our farm is better. Shall I repeat?
1 point ahead in the standing....that doesnt mean much. What makes you think Latendresse has a future ahead of him? Antropov is a good player, he just gets injured a lot. He keeps fighting back from injury and always plays hard.
our Prospects i am sure could make the habs lineup as well.
Foreign Jackass said:Oh, I forgot that +- was a good indication of a player's talent. Perezhogin is better than Ian White then! What a bunch of crock.
The problem with Antropov is that he's already proven that he's a bust, therefore Latendresse has at least the advantage of having the future ahead of him.
I don't even see where the argument is. You're behind us in the standings. If you get ahead it will be because of loss in overtime. Your prospects are all in your team. Our prospects are mostly still in first year or still in the farm. Again, we're ahead of you in the standings. Our farm is better. Shall I repeat?
You just don't get it do you? Like every other clueless Hab supporter I've talked to in 20 years or more. For the last 10 years or so I've had to listen to Hab fans tout the farm system as proof that the Habs would be mighty once again, and for 10 years I've seen these prospects get hyped up and disappear. During that time, the Leaf farm system was always berated by those same Hab faithful as having nothing available. I've just shown you that the stiffs we draft can perform just as well if not better then your glorious Hab future superstars yet it still doesn't sink in.
Where has the last 10 years of Hab great farm development gotten you? You finished 3 points up on the Leafs last season and are currently 1 point better. All this with a "superior" farm system to the Leafs joke of drafting.
I don't put much stock in the prospects until they prove they can play at the NHL level. We've seen our fair share of busts over the years so anyone that is ripping it up in the minors means nothing to me.
So go on and keep planning for the future, I've seen it from you guys for a decade.
ForzaItalia
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Foreign Jackass said:I don't even see where the argument is. You're behind us in the standings. If you get ahead it will be because of loss in overtime. Your prospects are all in your team. Our prospects are mostly still in first year or still in the farm. Again, we're ahead of you in the standings. Our farm is better. Shall I repeat?
Repeat what you moron? Are you the only one that can't see how mediocre both the Habs and Leafs are? Ahead of what in the standings? Both teams stink....
Kabuki Waq
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ForzaItalia said:Repeat what you moron? Are you the only one that can't see how mediocre both the Habs and Leafs are? Ahead of what in the standings? Both teams stink....
1 point ahead!
Manics said:I love how people whip out "Hockeysfuture" as proof of the great talent lying in the ranks for the Habs. They have a funny comment about the Leafs, the farm system has been "decimated by the graduation of several players to the NHL ranks" -- isn't the job of the farm system to get guys ready for the NHL? The fact that so many of the Leaf farm hands made the team is a good sign no? :lol
No, it means the group you have now aren't doing shit with the Leafs (with a few exceptions like Wellwood and Stajan), and the future looks like more of the same.
I mean, Coloiacovo? Why is he a top prospect again? :lol :lol
Oh man, Saturday's gonna give me chills. It'd be hilarious to have a bar meetup :lol :lol
Kabuki Waq
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rs7k said:No, it means the group you have now aren't doing shit with the Leafs (with a few exceptions like Wellwood and Stajan), and the future looks like more of the same.
I mean, Coloiacovo? Why is he a top prospect again? :lol :lol
Oh man, Saturday's gonna give me chills. It'd be hilarious to have a bar meetup :lol :lol
what?
you think stajan is a good prospect but Cloiacovo is not?
ForzaItalia
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rs7k said:Oh man, Saturday's gonna give me chills. It'd be hilarious to have a bar meetup :lol :lol
Tons of laughs for sure man....
rs7k said:No, it means the group you have now aren't doing shit with the Leafs (with a few exceptions like Wellwood and Stajan), and the future looks like more of the same.
I mean, Coloiacovo? Why is he a top prospect again? :lol :lol
Oh man, Saturday's gonna give me chills. It'd be hilarious to have a bar meetup :lol :lol
Colaiacovo would easily be the best defenceman on the Habs. He's italian after all.
rs7k said:No, it means the group you have now aren't doing shit with the Leafs (with a few exceptions like Wellwood and Stajan), and the future looks like more of the same.
I mean, Coloiacovo? Why is he a top prospect again? :lol :lol
Oh man, Saturday's gonna give me chills. It'd be hilarious to have a bar meetup :lol :lol
I don't know why your knocking Cola, he has been pretty good ever since he healed up. His only problem is that he is a walking injury magnet. Stajan has sucked ass.
All Coloaicovo does is get injured, and he makes a good play once in a while. He's pretty average. Not bad by any means, but way overhyped. Although you could easily argue injury has hurt his development.
And Manics, Komisarek is a much better defenceman than Colaiacovo (i hope i'll spell it right one day). I'm not sure why I even have to point this out.
And Manics, Komisarek is a much better defenceman than Colaiacovo (i hope i'll spell it right one day). I'm not sure why I even have to point this out.
rs7k said:And Manics, Komisarek is a much better defenceman than Colaiacovo (i hope i'll spell it right one day). I'm not sure why I even have to point this out.
Prove it.
Here let me help you out.
Komisarek 218 games played
6 goals
24 assists
+3
Colaiacovo 71 games played
8 goals
15 assists
+5
In which area does Komisarek far outshine Colaiacovo besides games played?
ForzaItalia
Banned
Hmmm...Komisarek sounds like a poor man's Hal Gill!
Kabuki Waq
Member
:lolForzaItalia said:Hmmm...Komisarek sounds like a poor man's Hal Gill!
Kabuki Waq
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blah141 said:Komi -> 240 Hits 141 Blocked Shots
Carlo -> 93 " 57 " "
:lol
how many is that per game?
Edit: Carlo Averages more per game it seems :lol
blah141 said:Komi -> 240 Hits 141 Blocked Shots
Carlo -> 93 Hits 57 Blocked Shots
:lol
I'll give you an "A" for effort blah. That's some good digging there. Of course Colaiacovo is far too pretty to be blocking shots like a big stay at home buffoon. What stat are you gonna break out next - how many sticks they go through a season? Carlo has gentle hands so I know he's much more adept at handling the stick with finesse.
Kabuki Waq said:how many is that per game?
Edit: Carlo Averages more per game it seems :lol
:lol
Leaf fans need to go back to school
Komi: 240 Hits in 80 Games = 3 H/G
Carlo: 93 Hits in 46 Games = 2.02 H/G
Same with Blocked Shots
:lol
Kabuki Waq
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blah141 said::lol
Leaf fans need to go back to school
Komi: 240 Hits in 80 Games = 3 H/G
Carlo: 93 Hits in 46 Games = 2.02 H/G
Same with Blocked Shots
:lol
ah i see i thought these were career stats.
still i guess i will let you guys have that all important 1 extra hit per game.
scissorfight
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LOSER BATTLE!
Foreign Jackass
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Nice job exposing that damn hack.blah141 said::lol
Leaf fans need to go back to school
Komi: 240 Hits in 80 Games = 3 H/G
Carlo: 93 Hits in 46 Games = 2.02 H/G
Same with Blocked Shots
:lol
God these Leafs fans are stupid. I never said the Habs are a great team. Our team is just better than yours, however small the difference is, and we have a slightly better future than you have. That's it! There's nothing to argue about it! We are a better team, we have better goaltending, more depth, and more points. Arguing against it is futile, quit it!
Foreign Jackass said:Nice job exposing that damn hack.
God these Leafs fans are stupid. I never said the Habs are a great team. Our team is just better than yours, however small the difference is, and we have a slightly better future than you have. That's it! There's nothing to argue about it! We are a better team, we have better goaltending, more depth, and more points. Arguing against it is futile, quit it!
I wouldn't say we have a better team. I'd say we have better goaltending IMO.
Kabuki Waq
Member
Foreign Jackass said:Nice job exposing that damn hack.
God these Leafs fans are stupid. I never said the Habs are a great team. Our team is just better than yours, however small the difference is, and we have a slightly better future than you have. That's it! There's nothing to argue about it! We are a better team, we have better goaltending, more depth, and more points. Arguing against it is futile, quit it!
so wait 1 extra hit per game? is a huge deal?
ForzaItalia
Banned
Foreign Jackass said:Nice job exposing that damn hack.
God these Leafs fans are stupid. I never said the Habs are a great team. Our team is just better than yours, however small the difference is, and we have a slightly better future than you have. That's it! There's nothing to argue about it! We are a better team, we have better goaltending, more depth, and more points. Arguing against it is futile, quit it!
"slightly better"...."a little more depth"..."Bell Centre ice is a tad smoother than the ACC sheet"..."Guy's cardigan is just a touch woolier than Maurice's"....
Just shut up already.
For a guy who claimed he didn't care you've posted enough idiotic crap in this topic. The Leafs and Habs are both mediocre.
Foreign Jackass
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Well, over 3, it's a 50% increase. Same for blocked shots.Kabuki Waq said:so wait 1 extra hit per game? is a huge deal?
ForzaItalia said:"slightly better"...."a little more depth"..."Bell Centre ice is a tad smoother than the ACC sheet"..."Guy's cardigan is just a touch woolier than Maurice's"....
Just shut up already.
For a guy who claimed he didn't care you've posted enough idiotic crap in this topic. The Leafs and Habs are both mediocre.
Yes but we are slightly less mediocre!
Foreign Jackass said:Yes but we are slightly less mediocre!
Way to strive for the top. :lol
ForzaItalia said:"slightly better"...."a little more depth"..."Bell Centre ice is a tad smoother than the ACC sheet"..."Guy's cardigan is just a touch woolier than Maurice's"....
I still can't stop laughing over this line.
Foreign Jackass
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I don't think any one of our teams can strive for the top right now. Although one might say a team making the playoffs has a better chance of reaching it. By the way, I'm currently jinxing my team to death.Manics said:Way to strive for the top. :lol
Kabuki Waq
Member
Foreign Jackass said:Well, over 3, it's a 50% increase. Same for blocked shots.
Yes but we are slightly less mediocre!
so we should ignore all this:
Komisarek 218 games played
6 goals
24 assists
+3
Colaiacovo 71 games played
8 goals
15 assists
+5
but focus on that one extra hit he gets?
MrToughPants
Brian Burke punched my mom
There's still the slight chance neither of your teams make the playoffs :lol
Isalnders 3-0
Habs 0-2
Leafs 1-1
I'll laugh my ass off if this happens. :lol :lol
edit:
Volchenkov 269 bs 199 hits +37 > your shitty defense man
Isalnders 3-0
Habs 0-2
Leafs 1-1
I'll laugh my ass off if this happens. :lol :lol
edit:
Volchenkov 269 bs 199 hits +37 > your shitty defense man
How telling that when these fans get together the most furious debate is one regarding PROSPECTS... I think they've both already given up on this season. :lolscissorfight said:LOSER BATTLE!
blah141 said:Komi: 240 Hits in 80 Games = 3 H/G
Carlo: 93 Hits in 46 Games = 2.02 H/G
I did some digging on these stats and while they appear to favour Komisarek at first glance, you have to look more closely.
Komisarek
TH:240 BCH:20 AH:220
Colaiacovo
TH:93 BCH:90 AH:3
Legend: TH: Total Hits, BCH: Bone-Crunching Hits, AH: Average Hits
So you see, the hits really favour Colaiacovo big time.
ForzaItalia
Banned
Manics said:BCH: Bone-Crunching Hits
So you see, the hits really favour Colaiacovo big time.
:lol
Kabuki Waq said:so we should ignore all this:
Komisarek 218 games played
6 goals
24 assists
+3
Colaiacovo 71 games played
8 goals
15 assists
+5
but focus on that one extra hit he gets?
We're comparing defensive defencman, points don't matter, blocked shots, and hits do, so does +/-
TemplaerDude
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oh my god.
Kabuki Waq
Member
blah141 said:We're comparing defensive defencman, points don't matter, blocked shots, and hits do, so does +/-
The game is hockey where goals DO MATTER.
MrToughPants
Brian Burke punched my mom
Manics said:I did some digging on these stats and while they appear to favour Komisarek at first glance, you have to look more closely.
Komisarek
TH:240 BCH:20 AH:220
Colaiacovo
TH:93 BCH:90 AH:3
Legend: TH: Total Hits, BCH: Bone-Crunching Hits, AH: Average Hits
So you see, the hits really favour Colaiacovo big time.
I remember this BONE CRUSHING HIT from last year... :lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykHc5sxmVfQ
MrToughPants said:
Exactly my point. His hits are so devastating that one mistake could injure the giver as well. He's improved on his timing now to the point where he can gracefully deliver the crunch to the bone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X128ULuQEc&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yQy_WZkr7M&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZqOaVYuAjA&mode=related&search=
ForzaItalia
Banned
MrToughPants said:
He scrambled Varada's noggin with that hit and knocked him out of the game. Varada was never the same after that....
Foreign Jackass
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Kabuki Waq said:so we should ignore all this:
Komisarek 218 games played
6 goals
24 assists
+3
Colaiacovo 71 games played
8 goals
15 assists
+5
but focus on that one extra hit he gets?
Ok, where should we focus then? The incredible +0.0136 / game advance in the +- department that Colaicovo has over Komisarek? Or is it the 0.186 difference in point per game average (not even over a single full season in the NHL by Colaiacovo, by the way, despite being already 24 years old)? Yeah, every 5-6 games, Colaicovo will get a point more than Komisarek will. With the number of games he's been playing each year, I'm really looking forward to see his big offensive totals in 10 years and how they compare to Komisarek's career. He will absolutely CRUSH him. Norris material, I'll say.
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