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[Malakhov]

I'm in!

 

[calder]

Hey fanatics,
Its good to see that this small hockey community is still kickin.

I used to post by the name of element x until my account was deleted probably due to inactivity.

Hey, welcome back! With history as our guide element you'll inject common sense and civility into the hockey discourse, but despite that I'm happy you're back.

How are you? I recall you left to join the military, right? You still doing that? The hockey thread you left a few years ago is more or less exactly the same, with the same guys having the same arguments and making the same jokes. Only difference now is that everyone is terrified of the Flames and is admitting, deep down, that they're going to run roughshod over the Western Conference in 05.

 

[The Internet]

As for Turco...
We'll se how great he is when he DOESNT GET TO GO INTO THE FUCKING CORNER AND FUCK UP EVERY FUCKING OILERS DUMPIN
YOU SON OF A BITCH

Being an Oiler fan, Marty Turco is the devil to me.

Actually, he was one of the nicest NHL'ers i've met. I met him last April at the Team Canada Camp and he was a blast to talk to.

I even told him how I was one of the 17,000 screaming Oilers fans in Game #6 screaming "TURRRRCOOOO", and he had a kick out of that.

But he's still the devil.


The Internet

 

[dem]

fraternizing with the enemy?



YOU!... OFF THE FANBONI!

 

[Fifty]

Oh wow......Yahoo went up. Sure, I'll join....I was originally going to create it myself, but since you've done it for me... Maybe it's not the best idea to just post it here and let anyone join. I had a list of people who wanted in and we could PM them. Anyway, when I suggested it a few weeks ago we had tons of responses so this thing should be good.


edit: Keep the teams at 12. That's around how many regulars seemed to be interested and that's the best number for any fantasy league

 

[BigJonsson]

Add me to any yahoo league!

 

[Fifty]

add yourself. it's on the last page.

 

[Tedesco!]

Actually, I took your advice. PM me if you want it!

 

[FightyF]

I was listening to "Kerosene" in the car this morning...and for some reason I sang "Mats Sundeeeen" during the chorus.

 

[BigJonsson]

I was listening to "Kerosene" in the car this morning...and for some reason I sang "Mats Sundeeeen" during the chorus.

Haha

I gotta do that

 

[DopeyFish]

we need more mats sundin!

mooooore

 

[Fifty]

Consider it done. (I'll keep adding to it....like a quilt made of pure swedish determination)


Man this year's fantasy numbers will be hard to forecast, because of the unknowns regarding playstyle changes, and all the new lineups. Plus of course having one year off....it'll certainly involve luck more than skill I think.

 

[Socreges]

I think it's great that this thread, after just a month, already has half the posts of the MLB thread, which has been around since the end of March :lol

It WOULD be great, if over half of those posts weren't Laff fans jabbering on about nothing remotely interesting. :/

I love you guys, but I can't wait until the Leafs begin losing and your posts are reduced to weekly treatises on the state of your woes.

 

[Shinobi]

Okay, took me a while to catch up in this thread...time for my overly large post of reason.

I love Mats but nothing is even remotely intimidating about him.

Fair enough, but there hasn't been anything intimidating about Messier in eight years.

Is it me or is the salary cap been proven complete horseshit? You had teams like the pen and such crying about how they couldn afford players and they field a joke squad. Then as soon as the well run teams get penalized, they start spending like a Hilton girl. Teams that actually put product on the ice are fighting to get under the cap, and Pittsburgh, Columbus, Edmonton, and Calgary are piling up free agents. And to top it off Gms are as dumb as ever, Joe Thorton ringing up 7mill. He wouldn't have gotten 7 mill without the cap.

It has been amusing seeing teams who wouldn't even spend 20 mill bucks in previous years, suddenly blow by that mark in the new era. Not to mention the amount of players that most people agree have been overpaid in the last few weeks. In some ways, things haven't changed at all...but then they rarely do.

Cap systems are only perfect if a team has the ability to cut contracts at anytime, which is the true beauty of the NFL system (for the owners anyway). I don't think it's a bad system, but I didn't think the last system was bad for the teams either...it was just executed by team owners and GM's who were complete idiots. And those idiots are still running their teams.

Hard for me to feel sorry for the Av's though...can't think of many teams that got relocated with the amount of talent they had, and won the championship in their new destination in their first year. :lol

BTW, only posers and bitches use the defacto best teams in a video game. Real players use their own teams, no matter how bad they are.

And Pens fans are starting to annoy me now. I mean, "Pens haters"? Who the fuck wasted their time hating this team the last eight years? Get over yourselves.

*Tim fields numerous phone calls from relatives looking for Carter jerseys*

DREADLOCK PRIDE

JAH RASTAFARI NONIS

:lol :lol :lol

Good to see Carter going to Vancouver, as one more nail is driven into the "EVERY TORONTO PLAYER EVER WANTS TO PLAY FOR THE LEAFS, EVEN IF IT'S FOR FREE!!!" myth's coffin. I'm fairly certain the Leafs doesn't try nearly as hard to sign the local guys, buying into that bullshit myth, while other teams go balls out to sign the same player. Ultimately, you're gonna go to the place where you feel you're the most wanted...fuck sentamentality.

"I'll play for the leafs again even if i have to take a big paycut" my ass

Yeah, I'm sure you'd turn down 7 mill over two years...

You gotta have a goalie to talk some smack jackass....

...which means Canuck fans should shut the fuck up. :lol

I know this is INCREDIBLY OLD, but I just heard that Sundin is the cover artist for NHL 2K6 in Canada/Europe. What the fuck? Why would anyone want that dumb bastard on the cover? Especially when Turco(an actual GOOD player) is on the U.S. covers. This is bullshit.

You're a fucking idiot.

Can Dan Clutchier use the 2.5 mil he's getting each year (with his new deal) to buy a new mask...please? That thing's so ugly, it's like watching Glenn Healy play....only with even more garbage goals.

:lol :lol :lol

...


..........

.....Yeah, I'll believe THAT rumour the day I see Mr T squiring around Bebe Neuwirth.

edit: HOLY CRAP ON A CRACKER

I'd so hit Bebe Neuwirth...always thought she was hot from her Cheers days, and she's still looking good.

Element was far from being a delusional fan, he was probably one of the most unbiased in the thread.

:lol :lol :lol There isn't one unbiased motherfucker in this thread...

 

[Shinobi]

Oh yeah, loved this Bertuzzi/Team Canada article by Damien Cox a few days ago...he's bang on the money as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure some (or many) will disagree with it though, so I'm all up for debating it's merits.

Aug. 16, 2005. 01:37 PM
Bertuzzi returns
Forward's reinstatement proof Olympic team's been hijacked by NHL interests
Hockey Canada compromises principles, embraces 'outlaw element' with invite

DAMIEN COX


As it turns out, Hockey Canada only preaches a clean game.

By including Todd Bertuzzi on the roster for the Olympic orientation camp, which began yesterday in Vancouver, Bob Nicholson and those who operate Hockey Canada have adopted a rather hypocritical, Rafael Palmeiro-like posture.

Moreover, by announcing Bertuzzi's inclusion in the camp last week, just hours after he was reinstated by NHL commissioner Gary Bettman, Hockey Canada officials appeared obscenely eager to welcome Bertuzzi back into the fold.

They couldn't even wait one day.

Those "Relax, It's Just a Game" commercials ring a little empty today, don't you think?

If you didn't believe before that the Canadian Olympic program has been hijacked by NHL interests, this was proof positive that such is the case.

An obviously contrite Bertuzzi tried to say all the right things yesterday as he spoke at a press conference wearing a Team Canada cap and jacket. But while he talked of becoming a "better person on the ice" he made it clear the events of the past 17 months haven't convinced him of any need to alter his approach to the sport.

"I'm not going to change," he said firmly.

Which brings us back to Hockey Canada.

The problem for Nicholson et al is that by including Bertuzzi they have embraced the outlaw element in the sport and turned their back on many of the principles for which Hockey Canada is supposed to stand.

In promoting its well-meaning Speak Out campaign, for example, Hockey Canada says its "primary interest is the well-being of its participants."

Unless, apparently, you're Steve Moore and the guy who gooned you is a world-class player.

In its Fair Play Code, the organization urges parents to "understand that children learn from adults, and my behaviour reflects what I want children to learn."

In this case, that lesson would be that attacking a smaller player from behind and breaking his neck does not preclude a player from representing Canada at the highest level.

Here's another edict from the Fair Play Code.

"I will encourage my child to play by the rules and to resolve conflicts without resorting to hostility or violence."

See, by making Bertuzzi part of Team Canada, Hockey Canada is either telling the country that its most elite program exists outside the rules and concepts that guide the national body, or it is admitting that when it comes to Olympic competition it is completely beholden to NHL values and priorities.

"He's just too good a player," said Team Canada executive director Wayne Gretzky yesterday.

Which means nothing else matters, including whether Bertuzzi embodies the values Hockey Canada supposedly cherishes.

This is not to say that Bertuzzi should never again be permitted to play for Canada.

Just not yet.

From a Canadian Olympic perspective, it would have been reasonable for Hockey Canada to have required him to first rehabilitate his tarnished image and earn his way back into Olympic consideration through strong play and spotless behaviour.

After all, the best result from this ugly episode would be to see Moore get back to the NHL some day and to watch as Bertuzzi does a Stan Mikita and transforms himself into one of the cleanest players in the sport.

But Hockey Canada didn't want to wait for that process to even begin.

And Bertuzzi, sadly, apparently isn't inclined to reform.

This is part of the problem with including professionals in the Olympic process. The Canadian Olympic hockey team is now only about winning, and winning by NHL traditions, certainly not the traditions of Father David Bauer.

That includes buying into the NHL's addiction to brutality in the sport and its incessant need to rationalize that addiction.

Despite the enormous hits in revenue and reputation the game has absorbed in recent years, the NHL is still terrified to conduct business without fighting and all the related violence that comes hand-in-hand with officially sanctioned pugilism.

Indeed, less bothersome than Bettman's weak-willed decision to immediately reinstate Bertuzzi was the fact the NHL has done nothing substantive to curb systemic violence in the sport since it was last open for business in June, 2004.

The elimination of the red line was discussed ad nauseum, but not fighting.

Shootouts have been rubber-stamped for the season ahead as part of a parcel of offence-enhancing rule changes, but nothing has been done that would prevent an incident similar to Bertuzzi's attack on Moore in the future.

Moreover, recent personnel moves suggest enforcers and intimidation will be very much a part of the "new" NHL.

Andre Roy was hired to ride shotgun for Sidney Crosby. The Maple Leafs couldn't bring back Joe Nieuwendyk or Brian Leetch, but heavyweights Tie Domi and Wade Belak both received two-year deals.

Colorado, Moore's erstwhile employer, made the most startling move by acquiring muscular winger Brad May, a former Bertuzzi teammate who was recklessly outspoken in his belief that the Canucks needed to get even with Moore for daring to bodycheck Vancouver star Markus Naslund.

There was little doubt Bertuzzi would play again in the league.

The only surprise was that Bettman didn't at least force the Sudbury native to sit out a few games to start the 2005-06 season in the interest of optics.

But why does Hockey Canada have to march to the same tune as a disastrously run, morally bankrupt league that has reduced its business presence in our country over the past dozen years and is barely relevant on the overall North American sporting scene?

Mostly, it would seem, because those entrusted with the care of our national game have sold their souls in the craven pursuit of Olympic gold.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...124187671171&DPL=IvsNDS/7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes

 

[Socreges]

"Dan, what do you think of the inexplicable obsession hockey fans nation-wide seem to have with you?"

"Y'know, it's actually kind of flattering. But I'm just going to focus on my game and contribute how I can."

"Does this mean we might see a new and improved Dan Cloutier this season?"

"Dude, the tried and true Dan Cloutier just made a cool 5 mill."

 

[Mike Works]

"Mats, what's it feel like to play in the Stanley Cup Final?"

" ... "

 

[Fifty]

 

[Socreges]

I agree with the main points, but the writer frames a few things poorly to make his argument stronger.

And Bertuzzi, sadly, apparently isn't inclined to reform.

But while he talked of becoming a "better person on the ice" he made it clear the events of the past 17 months haven't convinced him of any need to alter his approach to the sport.

"I'm not going to change," he said firmly.

He doesn't need to. This is obviously in reference to his physical play and hard hitting. It goes without saying that he WILL aim to control his emotions, but his reply was for anyone who thinks he's going to come back soft.

And the Fair Play Code has always applied to just youth hockey and not the NHL.

Otherwise, he's pretty much right. Hockey Canada welcomed Bertuzzi back into their arms too quickly considering the example that such a move sets and the timing of the re-instatement is too great a coincidence. But I don't mind. Bert's back! And fighting remains! WOO!

 

[Socreges]

"I'm worried about my friend Mats. He's been spending a lot of time with Tie Domi lately. I mean, did you see his head? First yoga, now this."

 

[Fifty]

 

[Shinobi]

:lol

 

[theo]

I know this is INCREDIBLY OLD, but I just heard that Sundin is the cover artist for NHL 2K6 in Canada/Europe. What the fuck? Why would anyone want that dumb bastard on the cover? Especially when Turco(an actual GOOD player) is on the U.S. covers. This is bullshit.

Turco and good in the same sentence? You are obviously retarded. Lets see how Marty does with out a small sectional attached to each leg.

 

[SantaC]

:lol :lol at the sundin pics

 

[SantaC]

Bertuzzi? I saw nothing!

 

[Kingpen]

I'm up for the fantasy league. PM with the details.

Kingpen

 

[SA-X]

we need more mats sundin!

mooooore

God no, this recent hard on Sundin love overload in this thread is burning a hole in eyes.

 

[Tedesco!]

God no, this recent hard on Sundin love overload in this thread is burning a hole in eyes.

I'm always open to suggestions:

 

[Wolf]

Hey, welcome back! With history as our guide element you'll inject common sense and civility into the hockey discourse, but despite that I'm happy you're back.

How are you? I recall you left to join the military, right? You still doing that? The hockey thread you left a few years ago is more or less exactly the same, with the same guys having the same arguments and making the same jokes. Only difference now is that everyone is terrified of the Flames and is admitting, deep down, that they're going to run roughshod over the Western Conference in 05.

Hey whats up Calder,

yeah my military stint is pretty much over unless world war 3 breaks out in the next 6 years in witch case I'm obligated to go back.

I currently just got my own place, working your average job. Im planning to get into the toronto police force 31 division, but that wont be for a while due to some qualications that I dont presently have.

And yeah Calgary is the real deal now, I know they lost some good players over the lockout but overall I dont think it will hurt them much.

When I was at CFB Wainwright in Alberta me and the guys went up to Calgary to watch game 6 of the stanley cup finals at the bar Melrose. It was a day I'll never forget. Just a city wide party all day long. The only thing I have been threw that even comes close is toronto in 2002 when canada won gold.

I got a ton of pictures from my time in calgary, mabey i'll put them on here for you guys to see.

 

[The Bookerman]

By the way, I just wanted to say FU, to the following stupid GM's : Dale Tallon(blackhawks), darryl sutter(flames) ... well it's mostly there fault. I think Iginla at 7 mil a year in this new system IS OVERPAID. Same to Khabibulin who proved his worth.... in one season. The guy gets a 6.75 a year contract.

Now because of those stupid ass mistakes, you have guys like Marian Hossa, Vinny Lecavalier, Thornton (St-Louis probably would have asked the same) types of contracts.

Khabibulin though, he's simply making José théodore more hungry.... 6.75 mil a year for Khabibulin? Geez Someone tell me that this isn't overpaid?

 

[DopeyFish]

By the way, I just wanted to say FU, to the following stupid GM's : Dale Tallon(blackhawks), darryl sutter(flames) ... well it's mostly there fault. I think Iginla at 7 mil a year in this new system IS OVERPAID. Same to Khabibulin who proved his worth.... in one season. The guy gets a 6.75 a year contract.

Now because of those stupid ass mistakes, you have guys like Marian Hossa, Vinny Lecavalier, Thornton (St-Louis probably would have asked the same) types of contracts.

Khabibulin though, he's simply making José théodore more hungry.... 6.75 mil a year for Khabibulin? Geez Someone tell me that this isn't overpaid?

i still think players should be capped at 10% of the teams salary. not 24% or whatever which is just a ridiculous percentage.

 

[Shinobi]

By the way, I just wanted to say FU, to the following stupid GM's : Dale Tallon(blackhawks), darryl sutter(flames) ... well it's mostly there fault. I think Iginla at 7 mil a year in this new system IS OVERPAID. Same to Khabibulin who proved his worth.... in one season. The guy gets a 6.75 a year contract.

Now because of those stupid ass mistakes, you have guys like Marian Hossa, Vinny Lecavalier, Thornton (St-Louis probably would have asked the same) types of contracts.

Khabibulin though, he's simply making José théodore more hungry.... 6.75 mil a year for Khabibulin? Geez Someone tell me that this isn't overpaid?

Honestly, Iggy's one of the few guys who truly deserves max money, whatever that number happens to be. He's one of the top five players on the planet, and is arguably the most marketable player in the league (hopefully the new NHL has found their old marketing department, cause it's been MIA for the last decade). And besides, what choice does Calgary have anyway?

And Khabibulin was far and away the best goalie on the free agent market, so he was obviously going to get his coin.

Some of the other contracts are just insane though...what did Atlanta sign Holik for, 4 mill a year? :lol This is where teams always fuck up...overpaying mid-level players. Top guys getting top coin on the other hand shouldn't be a problem for anyone.

 

[bishoptl]

A team like Atlanta has to overpay in order to attract free-agents, even those who aren't top-tier. (Although having an idiot like Steve Belkin on your management team doesn't help matters) Nobody else was going to pay Bobby Holik that kind of money, and I don't care who you are, the attraction of playing with a talent like Ilya Kovalchuk doesn't offset the fact that the Thrashers aren't a playoff team. Holik gets his dosh, Atlanta gets to claim that they stole an "upper-tier FA" from the Rangers :lol and somewhere in North York, some guy takes a poke at another guy for looking at his baby's momma.

The world spins on.

 

[The Bookerman]

Yeah but I mean.... Khabibulin, 6,75 mil a year? I don't care he won a cup, the guy had St-louis, lecavalier and Richards in front of him.

I still think Iginla is overpaid. 7 mil is too much for anybody.

 

[bishoptl]

I still think Iginla is overpaid. 7 mil is too much for anybody.

"Sheeeit, I got mine!"

 

[dem]

I support Pronger at 6.25

 

[Kabuki Waq]

i hope someone grills pronger about his promise to retire from the game if the NHLPA accepted any form of a salary cap.

 

[Gregory]

Soon the new season in the Norwegian league starts up again. Screw the NHL. :lol

We even had a few NHL players playing here last year!

 

[Tedesco!]

And yet another Sundin avatar enters the fray....

 

[Mike Works]

If you retards don't cut this shit out, I'm going to start spamming this thread with nothing but Brent Sopel pictures

 

[Socreges]

i hope someone grills pronger about his promise to retire from the game if the NHLPA accepted any form of a salary cap.

Bertuzzi will see to it that he keeps his promise.

 

[calder]

I still think Iginla is overpaid. 7 mil is too much for anybody.

You're just plain wrong. Considering the salaries of the other FA's Iggy is a very fair contract, especially since it's a 3 year deal that will keep him past his first 2 seasons of unrestrictedness. Iggy is #5 on the salary scale, and anyone who says he's not one of the top 3 players around is crazy.

The thing about the player cap is that even if one team overpays for a player it's not nearly as big an influence on other contracts as the team cap is. If Atlanta wants to be fucking stupid and give Holik more than the $10 an hour he deserves it doesn't matter because it'll only end up hurting them. Any elite franchise-type player, the top 10 or so guys in hockey, was going to get near the single player limit no matter what. That's what it's there for.



EDIT: OH, and while I'm already in too many pools I'll sign up for the GA one too. PM me the info plz.

 

[Fifty]

If you retards don't cut this shit out, I'm going to start spamming this thread with nothing but Brent Sopel pictures

Cut what out? I see Chris Pronger, not Swedish Jesus posted here. Don't worry Mike, once the (pre)season starts we'll cut out the fun and get back to business. Plus, anything's better than posting Eklund rumours!

 

[calder]

Nice recap of the end of Oly camp:

Three lines stand out at Team Canada Olympic camp in Kelowna
PIERRE LEBRUN AND JIM MORRIS
August 19, 2005

KELOWNA, B.C. (CP) - The three lines that stood out the most this week at Team Canada's Olympic camp: Joe Thornton between Rick Nash and Simon Gagne; Vincent Lecavalier with Kris Draper and Martin St. Louis; Brad Richards between Todd Bertuzzi and Shane Doan.

There's a chance they'll stick together if they all make the team.

"During the year we'll start thinking about the dream lines," said head coach Pat Quinn. "We seemed to have come up with some good lines here although after two games in 2002 we switched them all around."

Because Canada will likely only have two practices at the most before opening the Games against Italy on Feb. 15, keeping those lines intact this week may prove to be beneficial with those players developing chemistry.

"We thought about switching every day and creating new lines but then we decided not to," explained Quinn. "The whole idea here was the introduction of some concepts of play. Rather then have them worrying about adjusting to new guys every day, we wanted them to concentrate and focus on trying to absorb the system we want to play."

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FINAL SCRIMMAGE: Shane Doan and Joe Thornton scored twice Friday as the White Team beat the Red Team 7-3 to win take the series two games to one.

Thornton's second goal was a thing of beauty, picking the top corner on Martin Brodeur on a breakaway.

Martin St. Louis also had a breathtaking goal for the Red Team, one-timing a shot past Roberto Luongo after a no-look backhand pass from linemate Vincent Lecavalier.

Jarome Iginla and Brenden Morrow also scored for the Reds while Steve Yzerman, Brad Richards and Dany Heatley also had goals for the victorious Whites before yet another sellout crowd at 4,000 Prospera Place.

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GOLDEN DREAMS: Jay Bouwmeester has played in three world junior championships, two world championships and a World Cup. Still, even with this wealth of international experience, he dreams of playing at the Olympics.

"It would be unreal," he said after Friday's final scrimmage at the Olympic orientation camp.

"Anytime you get to represent your country it's special. But the Olympics . . . that's an opportunity a lot of athletes don't get. It would be something real special."

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KNOWING HIS PLACE: Vancouver Canucks forward Brendan Morrison wasn't allowed to forget he was a last-minute fill-in for Mario Lemieux at the Olympic orientation camp which ended Friday.

Morrison spent part of the week playing on a line with Jarome Iginla where Lemieux and Joe Sakic could end up.

"Even my underwear bag in the dressing room has No. 66 written on it," Morrison joked at one point.

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MORE MOOG: Dallas Stars assistant coach Andy Moog will serve as a goaltending consultant for Team Canada at Games. Moog, 44, isn't new to the job. He served as goaltending consultant for Team Canada at the 2002 Olympic Games and both the 2001 and 2002 world junior championships and senior men's world championships.

"He'll watch not so much our guys, but he's going to watch the other goaltenders that we're going to face from the other countries, have video tapes for the coaches, the weaknesses and strengths of those goalies and their tendencies," said Gretzky.

The native of Penticton, B.C., played for Canada at the 1988 Olympics in Calgary and posted a perfect record of 4-0 with a 2.25 goals-against-average.

Moog played in 713 NHL games over 18 seasons with Edmonton, Boston, Dallas and Montreal, going 372-209-88 with a 3.13 GAA. His 372 wins place him 12th all-time among goaltender.

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HABBY'S WATCH: National team head coach Marc Habscheid, an assistant coach on Quinn's Olympic staff, will mirror what Wayne Fleming did in 2001-02 before Salt Lake City.

"We're going to lean on Marc and Blair (Mackasey) to scout individual players on our team and we're going to lean on Marc to scout the other countries and the systems and styles that they may play," said executive director Wayne Gretzky.

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WINGING IT: Gretzky feels one of the changes from 2002 is that Canada has more depth on the wings.

"In 2002 we moved a lot of centremen to the wing, I don't see that being the case this time around," Gretzky said. "You look at Doan, St. Louis, Richards, Nash - those guys are all great players and wingers and they weren't on the 2002 team. So you've got wingers now that are tough to move out of there."

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GREAT PLAYER: A sure bet to return to the Olympic team is star defenceman Scott Niedermayer of the Anaheim Mighty Ducks.

The 31-year-old blue-liner could add more hardware to a resume that already includes Olympic gold, world championship gold, world junior gold, three Stanley Cup rings, a World Cup title and a Memorial Cup championship.

"He's a great talent," said Quinn. "He's won our defenceman award in the NHL. He has an incredible record as far as being on championship teams and you don't do that easily. He's done it for good reason. We look for him to be a leader for us going forward. He's that steady rock on defence and also somebody who has that ability to play offence and help us in that international game. He fits in beautifully."

"It's more difficult because our young guys have shown so good. In 2002 we relied a great deal on experience."

 

[ForzaItalia]

:lol :lol :lol There isn't one unbiased motherfucker in this thread...

I thought that's what I was here for?

 

[calder]

Nothing like spending 15 minutes setting your custom Yahoo player rankings to get pumped for the upcoming season.

Holy shit these rankings are BAD. Anyone who doesn't spend some serious time changing the rankings and misses the draft is totally fucked. Elias is #15? Kipper is 46th?? Dany Heatley is ranked 278th?!? :lol

Oh sweet, you can export your pre-rankings to other Yahoo teams you have. Thank god.

 

[FightyF]

^^*LOL*^^

 

[Wolf]

I'd like to give this fantasy hockey a try, not sure who to talk to about getting in though..

 

[Boogie]

I thought that's what I was here for?

Okay, Socreges, maybe he is Greekboy.

Soon the new season in the Norwegian league starts up again. Screw the NHL. :lol

We even had a few NHL players playing here last year!

Oh yeah, Norwegian league, baby! BOOYAH! My blood's pumping just thinking about all that high-level hockey!

 

[dem]