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[calder]

Kipper only played 38 games while Luongo played 72 games and was astonishing, sorry.
Kipper has yet to prove himself.

That would be true if Kipper hadn't kept up his play right through a tight playoff run and followed that up with a great playoff run (something many, many one year wonder goalies don't quite manage) and then played just as well for Finland in the World Cup. For me, the way Kiprusoff came back from a pretty bad injury and instantly started playing at his pre-injury level went a ways to proving to me that he might not just be a fluke. The playoff run and World Cup has me pretty confidant.

He's no sure thing, and he doesn't have quite the track record of Luongo, but it's not like he was some bum off the street with no credentials. He had a bad season in SJ after being thrust into the #1 role and then got buried by the Sharks crazy depth at the position.

 

[ForzaItalia]

If the Leafs could pay the useless Domi $1.25 million for this season then why couldn't they pay $1 million for a guy like Selanne?

 

[dem]

I'm pretty sure Selanne gave the Ducks the home team discount.

 

[Malakhov]

As is Luongo...

Luongo just had 2 great seasons side by side and his last season was just out of this world. He also played great for Team Canada.

He's probably the second best goalie right now after Brodeur.

 

[Malakhov]

He's no sure thing, and he doesn't have quite the track record of Luongo, but it's not like he was some bum off the street with no credentials. He had a bad season in SJ after being thrust into the #1 role and then got buried by the Sharks crazy depth at the position.

Never said that, Kipper is a great goalie and probably will prove himself again but Luongo is the better goalie, that's all.

 

[dem]

You say out of this world... I say peppered with a bunch of shots and poor rebound control...



Still hasnt done anything really amazing. Taking the record for most saves and most shots faced doesnt get you 5 mil in my book. He's obviously a good goalie... but you pay for results. If I am a GM youre going to be hard pressed to convince me to pay him much more than Kiprusoff.

 

[Mike Works]

The Toronto Maple Leafs announced Wednesday that the club has acquired forward John Pohl from the St. Louis Blues in exchange for future considerations.

who?

ah. an in-the-system guy whos only played 1 nhl game.

Book it!

 

[Wolf]

Lulongo is EXTREMLEY overated and does not deserve a penny over 4 Million.

Is he a good goal tender, yes, but he is completley inexperienced when it comes to post season and the only true test that you could put on him when it comes to pressure situations is the world cup against the chech and he failed completley.

Im sorry but Luongo chocked in that game letting in two of the most pathetic goals i've ever seen, including one weak ass wrister shot that beat him to force canada into overtime.

In overtime the chech press and shoot a shot right off his chest, I mean luongo didn't even move and Bob Cole goes nuts like luongo just made the save of the game or something...


And now the Canadian media are making this guy out to be an amazing goaltender? From a game where he almost single handidly cost Canada the championship?

give me a break.

and if anyone doubts my recount of that game, by all means go and re-watch it, you'll see my points.

Koopa - I know he has a couple of great seasons, but so what? So has Lalime, so has Turco, so has Cloutier, but a great season doesnt mean shit come playoff time, and we just don't know if Luongo is a Roy or a Raciot come playoff time.

 

[ForzaItalia]

I'm pretty sure Selanne gave the Ducks the home team discount.

Domi did that too.

 

[Drensch]

Wow. Luongo is one greedy fuck. I wouldn't have had paid him 5 mill pre cap.

 

[calder]

Domi did that too.

Hey, he could have signed with his good friend Mario Lemieux for mucho moneys, and I'm sure he's good, good friends with many other owners. :lol

 

[ForzaItalia]

I now smell a Luongo for Theodore trade.

 

[bishoptl]

I suppose if we lose Cooke, we could try and get someone of lesser value when it comes to playoff production. Like Ryan Smyth.

I dunno, just throwing out names here.

ouch :lol

 

[Manics]

It has nothing to do with hate or spite. On paper, the Leafs appear to be worse than any other Canadian team. I don't care what happened two years ago, especially since the records weren't so far apart.

Yes nothing to do with hate or spite huh? Every season Leaf haters say the Leafs lineup is so much worse than anyone else's and every season for the last 6, the Leafs have defied the odds and done well. Why is that you ask? Well the Leafs have proven that despite how extremely average to bad their defence is, as long as your goalie is great the team can do well.

Leafs should have enough on their roster to get 90+ points again this season provided Belfour stays healthy.

 

[Rocket9]

I now smell a Luongo for Theodore trade.

Greedy for greedier

 

[The Internet]

Im sorry but Luongo chocked in that game letting in two of the most pathetic goals i've ever seen, including one weak ass wrister shot that beat him to force canada into overtime.

How about Scott Neidermayer's goal in the Final against Kipper?

That goal was worse than the one Tommy Salo let in at the Olympics in 2002. Don't believe me? Watch it again.

 

[Duality]

I remember Tuomo Ruutu scoring a nice goal though.

 

[Wolf]

How about Scott Neidermayer's goal in the Final against Kipper?

That goal was worse than the one Tommy Salo let in at the Olympics in 2002. Don't believe me? Watch it again.

Oh im not getting into this kipper vs luongo thing, although without much thought I would give Kipper the edge, I was just giving my opinion on luongo.

And yes that was one weak goal as well, but weaker then Salo's goal?


....weaker then the goal that bounced off a scared tomy salo and into the net, netting the same reaction a CHILD would have if they were facing a shot for THE FIRST TIME?

...weaker than the goal that will be remembered whenever anyone thinks of salo, despite his respectable career?

....Weaker then the single most EMBARASSING MOMENT In a country's entire sporting history, a goal that eliminated them from the olympics, having to endure that moment for the next four years before even a chance of redemption??

I THINK NOT

 

[calder]

:lol at saying Kiprusoff's weak-ass flub (bad goal, worse than the doozy Montoya let in to cost the US the bronze at the WJC) in the World Cup was anywhere near as bad as Salo's Olympic Fuckup For The Ages.


Here's a pic that shows Heatley's freaky permanently dilated pupil from getting hit by that puck while in Europe. Freaky!

 

[Tedesco!]

This still haunts me. My friends give me endless shit for that little moment in time because I rooted for Sweden instead of the US or Canada.

I still don't know how they lost that game.....

 

[DopeyFish]

:lol at saying Kiprusoff's weak-ass flub (bad goal, worse than the doozy Montoya let in to cost the US the bronze at the WJC) in the World Cup was anywhere near as bad as Salo's Olympic Fuckup For The Ages.


Here's a pic that shows Heatley's freaky permanently dilated pupil from getting hit by that puck while in Europe. Freaky!

it's permanent? man. He's gonna be a scary looking person forever

 

[Wolf]

that still haunts me

Oh it does?

I still don't know how they lost that game.....

oh you don't? I think this was the reason right here

allright Im done, that was for all the Sundin pics I had to sit threw couple pages back.

 

[Tedesco!]

It's ok. I forgive you...

Seriously though, I don't know how they lost. It wasn't just Salo. If memory serves correctly, the infamous "head shot" was the tie-breaking, winning, #@&^$!(^ goal.

 

[Tedesco!]

Looks like Fleury is playing hockey again!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2141776

 

[ForzaItalia]

Leafs should step in and sign him along with Steve Thomas. = guaranteed Stanley Cup

 

[Tedesco!]

I would switch to being a Habs fan if the Leafs ever signed Fleury!

 

[Kabuki Waq]

ppl who celebrate goals with flair always make me smile so i wouldnt mind Fleury being on the leafs....Selanne is still king tho in the goal celebrations dept.

 

[Tedesco!]

Fleury, no matter how flairish he may be, would be nothing but a detriment to the Leafs.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

Fleury, no matter how flairish he may be, would be nothing but a detriment to the Leafs.

err NO he would be awesome. I would trade Lindros for him in a heartbeat.

 

[Tedesco!]

Are we talking about drunk Fleury, or sober fleury?

 

[ForzaItalia]

Are we talking about drunk Fleury, or sober fleury?

Cracked-out Fleury.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

Drunk or sober


Fleury > On Deathbed Lindros.


Drunk mean toohtless Fleury rocks tho.

 

[spliced]

Fleury in Toronto haha.

The only question would be which media person would he murder when he finally loses it.

 

[Socreges]

Fleury's a mess, but I've always liked the guy. That said, I wouldn't want him on the Canucks, even for free.

Yes nothing to do with hate or spite huh? Every season Leaf haters say the Leafs lineup is so much worse than anyone else's and every season for the last 6, the Leafs have defied the odds and done well. Why is that you ask? Well the Leafs have proven that despite how extremely average to bad their defence is, as long as your goalie is great the team can do well. Leafs should have enough on their roster to get 90+ points again this season provided Belfour stays healthy.

A couple things. First you imply that it DOES have to do with hate/spite, but then provide evidence that it could just be a logical prediction. Secondly, I didn't say that the Leafs would be much worse NOW and I've never said that in THE PAST. Especially since they've compared favourably to the Canadian teams, unlike this upcoming season. Lastly, if Belfour is going to be what "defies the odds", then doesn't it make enough sense to not give the Leafs that credit, particularly since he can only be worse than two years ago?

And 90 points might be only good for last place among the Canadian teams. Edmonton got 89 in 03/04, worst among Canadian teams, and they've only improved since then.

Sorry but placing the Leafs behind the rest is hardly outrageous and you've done nothing to say otherwise.

 

[Pochacco]

Man. Dany Heatley is one ugly kid.

 

[Manics]

Lastly, if Belfour is going to be what "defies the odds", then doesn't it make enough sense to not give the Leafs that credit, particularly since he can only be worse than two years ago?

And 90 points might be only good for last place among the Canadian teams. Edmonton got 89 in 03/04, worst among Canadian teams, and they've only improved since then.

I make no such assumption that Belfour will be worse than he was 2 years ago -- who's to know that? Johnny Bower was a stellar goalie into his 40s.

I didn't predict 90 points, I said 90+ but that's neither here nor there. Most people seem to be writing the Leafs off as struggling to even MAKE the playoffs this year. I'm saying they'll make the playoffs without a struggle.

 

[Foreign Jackass]

Oh my god. Eklund has sunken to new depths.

EKLUND :

Patrick Roy A Hab Again? (e2)
Two good sources in Montreal have told me that Patrick Roy is considering a return to the Canadiens....stay tuned for more info...i am out digging hard on this one...

 

[Rocket9]

Actually that rumour was started elsewhere. A radio in Ottawa apparently.

In other news, Luongo gets 3.2 millions.

 

[acidviper]

Is it just me or is Dany Heatly --> Mad Eye Moodie

 

[dem]

:lol :lol :lol
Luongo gets 3.2 in ARBITRATION

Watch everyone who filed for arbitration quickly sign whats on the table :lol


Should have taken that 5 year deal and ran to the bank.

 

[Foreign Jackass]

There you go.

Roy Denies Comeback
how's that for a quick retraction... a source just contacted me who spoke to Patrick about these rumors and Patrick laughed and said "nothing to it"...

 

[Foreign Jackass]

I'm starting a rumor. Bob Gainey has been heard saying he didn't need any replacement for Patrice Brisebois, because he's the replacement, himself. He's going to be the first GM-player in history.

 

[Fuzzy]

:lol :lol :lol
Luongo gets 3.2 in ARBITRATION

Watch everyone who filed for arbitration quickly sign whats on the table :lol


Should have taken that 5 year deal and ran to the bank.

I really don't understand his thinking when you look at what other goalies are making this season. You have Martin Brodeur making $5.2 million and Nikolai Khabibulin making $6.75 million and Luongo turns down $5 million a season for 5 seasons? Does he think he deserves to be the highest paid goalie? Moron.

 

[Manics]

I really don't understand his thinking when you look at what other goalies are making this season. You have Martin Brodeur making $5.2 million and Nikolai Khabibulin making $6.75 million and Luongo turns down $5 million a season for 5 seasons? Does he think he deserves to be the highest paid goalie? Moron.

He's hoping for a huge season this year and then rake it in free agency next year I guess. Montreal will probably go after him if Theo bolts.

 

[Fuzzy]

He's hoping for a huge season this year and then rake it in free agency next year I guess. Montreal will probably go after him if Theo bolts.

But he'll be 27 and players have to be 29 next year to be a UFA.

 

[Rocket9]

But he'll be 27 and players have to be 29 next year to be a UFA.

What about the 7 years rule? When is it first introduced?

 

[Manics]

But he'll be 27 and players have to be 29 next year to be a UFA.

Ha-ha! His plan is foiled!!

 

[Wolf]

In other news, Luongo gets 3.2 millions.

:lol

Well the world makes sense again.

 

[Socreges]

God, Luongo got burned. He seemed genuinely upset after being offered 'only' 5 mill, so he's probably on suicide watch right now.

And I still can't believe that Khabibulin got 6.75 million. Watch as he doesn't earn it this season.

I make no such assumption that Belfour will be worse than he was 2 years ago -- who's to know that? Johnny Bower was a stellar goalie into his 40s.

I didn't say that we should assume that he WILL be worse, but that we shouldn't assume that he'd compensate for "extremely average to bad defense". On top of that, Bower is of course an exception to the rule.

I didn't predict 90 points, I said 90+ but that's neither here nor there.

True. You allowed for 90 and I used that to make my point, that's all.

Most people seem to be writing the Leafs off as struggling to even MAKE the playoffs this year. I'm saying they'll make the playoffs without a struggle.

I said before that there's a good chance that every Canadian team will make the playoffs. I expect the Leafs to. Again, it's not so much that I expect the Leafs to be so bad, but that I see the rest being so good.

How about this, guys:

BOTH MY BROTHER AND DAD ARE LEAFS FANS

I forget that sometimes, since they're first and foremost Canucks fans. But Leafs apparently come second. My dad grew up in Nova Scotia, where your family either cheered for the Habs or Leafs, and my brother... I'm not sure why, but I love him less for it!

 

[Manics]

I forget that sometimes, since they're first and foremost Canucks fans. But Leafs apparently come second. My dad grew up in Nova Scotia, where your family either cheered for the Habs or Leafs, and my brother... I'm not sure why, but I love him less for it!

No sweat buddy, I'm not looking to pick fights. I just love the Leafs and have ever since I was a kid. I saw many lean lean years through the 80s so the recent history of the Leafs has been WAAAY better than what I had to endure for years. When people complain about the Leafs folding up in the playoffs recently due to old age/injury/not enough depth I think back to the bad old days of the 80s when the playoffs were but a dream to Leaf fans.

Sure we're a ways off from contending for a Cup, but we're in a hell of a lot better shape than 20 years ago.