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Raise Havok
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Well, how about, finally! After all this DNC crap I've been forced to see on every channel, it's good to finally hear some people who know what they are talking about. Who is the first speaker, anyone know?
Cerebral Palsy
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Raise Havok said:
Yeah! They definitely know what they're talking about when it comes to the economy, health care, and foreign policies. We've obviously excelled in these areas during the Bush administration's time in office. Go Republicans! Bash those gays, and smear anyone that stands in your way!
Raise Havok
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Not Wellington, I mean republicans in general. As in I'm glad to see the Grand Ol' Party finally taking the stage and what not.
Raise Havok
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Cerebral Palsy said:
Okay, it was clearly titles RNC Discussion, if you're not a fan, then sorry, just let it go pal... let it go...
Cerebral Palsy
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Raise Havok said:
Oh crud. I forgot I had to be a Republican to post in this thread. I totally missed the thread title. Sorry.
Raise Havok
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Cerebral Palsy said:
You don't have to be a Republican, but be respectful to the thread creator and the idea of the thread... I understand there is ing to be debate, but keep in mind the thread creator and posters and use some tact. I've looked through the DNC one, and it was harsh on Republicans in areas, so sorry but... deal with it.
Raise Havok
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And further more, please if you are going to post, realize you are not going to change anyones mind. You are not going to say something to make me think different, so don't waste air on it.
videogamer
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Raise Havok said:
Uh you should look at the DNC thread again. Not everyone there is a fan. Criticism was certainly present.
videogamer
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Raise Havok said:
Not everyone posts to change other people's minds. Sometimes they post to vent or simply discuss or whatever.
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Vennt
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This isn't gonna be pretty, that said...
Popcorn anybody?
Popcorn anybody?
Raise Havok
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I understand, and that's okay, but when guys like Ceribral Palsy come on just ranting random things, he has one point. He thinks I'm going to be like "You know your right" and just forget that over the past month or so the NYSE has been on the up and up. In fact DJ went up like 21 points yesterday, not too bad. It's not the best but lest face it after 9/11 the market went to crap, and that's not Bush or his administrations fault. People just got nervous about their money situations. And it is completely understandable. But since, it has be working it's way back up, grant slowly, but still. It is hard to focus so much on the economy when we have a million and a half counties out there looking for use to put our gaurd down so they can murder some more of us.
Cerebral Palsy
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Raise Havok said:
You're the one crying over my critiques. Take your own advice and "deal with it."
Raise Havok said:
I know I could never change the mind of a Republican, a party who couldn't care any less about who they were voting for as long as they are a Republican. This sheepish nature is the only way I can explain anyone wanting to vote for a moron such as Bush.
videogamer
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Raise Havok said:
The stock market doesn't directly affect everyone in the population. You know it generally takes money to make money right? Poor people probably don't invest too much in the stock market. The poor are not a direct beneficiary of stock market gains, and any trickle down effect is not easily discerned. Take a look at some easier examples like developing countries... the stock market rises over there at times could be tremendous, but poor often stayed poor.
Another quibble with the Republican party was it's hasty rush to the Iraq war. Even with the liberals complaining about the WMD evidence (the primary reason for war), Bush just ignored us, trying to be that "decisive" president he is.
That said, I was once too a Republican... until I found out my sexuality and religious views. The Republican party's views on those topics are quite under their control.
Raise Havok
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Frankly I'm not a Republican, don't classify me until you know what I am. And the stock market is highly corrilated with the economy, which some one (Cerbral Pasly I think) said the Bush admin' wasn't doing a good job on. As of right now the poverty rate is 13%, so bring in poor people isn't account that much of the population. Granted I wish it was lower too, but 13% isn't all that bad when you remember it's out of 100%. If I get an 87 on a test, I'm happy, and that's only 13% off of a 100. Obviously there is problems running in both parties, but something about a man who has to shoot himself to gain respect just doesn't make me feel comfortable with him in office.
Ummmm...the convention hasn't even STARTED yet, people. Arguing in this thread at this point is like starting the mosh pit while the between-set music plays.
The interesting thing about the convention is that the Republicans are putting their (few) moderate spokespeople into the prime-time speaking slots. Personally, I think that Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Cheney, and Rice ought to ALL be forced to give speeches -- preferably impromptu ones -- so that America gets a good feel for the Bush Administration's TRUE colors.
The interesting thing about the convention is that the Republicans are putting their (few) moderate spokespeople into the prime-time speaking slots. Personally, I think that Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Cheney, and Rice ought to ALL be forced to give speeches -- preferably impromptu ones -- so that America gets a good feel for the Bush Administration's TRUE colors.
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max_cool said:
It didn't, RH was obviously unhappy with the lack of heat in the thread and decided to start the trolling early. 10 out of 10 for effort in slipping the troll in there RH, 0 out of 10 for style though as trolling is like soooo last year, this year it's ad hominems or bust
Raise Havok said:
When I was out to dinner last night, someone said this to me. I swear to God, I laughed in her face for about five minutes before I could collect enough of myself to explain that "No, by 'self-inflicted injury,' he didn't just shoot himself in the leg."
Those Swift Boat Veterans are coming back as roaches, I'll put money on it.
JoshuaJSlone
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Makes enough sense to me. If I were more brash I could have made a similar comment but with a left-leaning twist.Socreges said:
Raise Havok
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I"m not a member of the Grand Ol' Party, I'm actually a member of the Independent Party. And as for the shooting himself comment that everyone seemed to enjoy so much, granted it was highly implied who I was speaking of, but in either way, no one mentioned any names, and for that matter there was a self inflicted wound was there not? I didn't say he did it on purpose, but he had to do it to get respect. No one would have remember the measly 4 months he spent over there if he didn't injure himself.And I can understand that he threw that grenade too short, did you see him throw a baseball? Are you freakin' serious? I've never seen a bigger pansy in my life. But let us stick to the issues guys, I made a comment, so your side could make one also, not 83... It is obvious we don't see eye to eye, but if this continues then the thread will get locked or something, and no one wants that.
Chesapeake Silt
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The infamous grenade was fired, not tossed, so I don't see the relevance of Kerry's baseball skills in this discussion.
Well, he'd actually have to be a member. That much is obvious. But people still define themselves as Republican, solely because they believe in the party. So given this comment:JoshuaJSlone said:
I'm surprised that he'd object to being called as such, unless he means that he just isn't a card-carrying member.
Manabanana
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As hard as this thread is going to be to read, it'll be harder not to read it
videogamer
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Raise Havok said:
I don't remember anyone calling you a Republican at that point in the thread. Please correct me because I scanned through most of the thread.
Dude, this isn't an exam. These are people, not some questions you answer on some quiz. But it were, we aren't on top of the curve regarding poverty, and I'm not the kind of student who likes other people beating me. And I would certainly be concerned that my quiz averages have been dropping the past 3 years.
Eh.. I'll save my environment vent for later
Meier: who here is a mod? i can only think of Hitokage in politics threads.
Raise Havok
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Bogdan said:
Says Mr. Junior Member himself.
And to put that to rest... I'm sure if most of you know how to spell, and I'm sure you do. You have already pieced together that Havok is not Havoc. Havoc being the term most people think of when they hear the word. But Havok being the last name of Davey Havok the lead singer of AFI. Just so everyone gets that.
What else was there, so many people angry with my logical thinking... Okay, Eggplant about the Poverty/Test Score analogy I had. I see where you are coming from, but with the over population of the States I doubt we will ever see that number dropping that much. Especially if Minimum Wage goes up. Think back to 40-75 when a house holds income went up almost doubling in the time period, and the poverty ratings were lower than low. A minimum wage was a living wage, and if you had two people working, you were butter. But then they all had like 8 kids, and now we have poverty. My Mother came from a family of 7 and my Dad from a family of 5, and that is only last generation. Granted numbers are going down because most families can't afford it, but it's too late.
As for the throwing the grenade from Chesapeake Silt, eh either way the man is a sissy girl. Maybe he knows the Govener of NJ...
And too Max_Cool, wow you can bold, but the fact is I never said he did it on purpose, I just said he had to, other wise he wouldn't be remembered. It has nothign to do with what he was thinking at the time, but if didn't hurt himself, he wouldn't be known that much. And how do most army members go to war for a while and not get that man purple hearts and what not. My grandfather was in WWI for a long period of time and has maybe 4 metals, none of which were purple hearts. Yet this character goes to war for like 4 months and gets 3. Sounds like a rat to me...
Goreomedy I didn't say I was any kind of owner of the board, but then again who are you to tell me what to do on this board... It's not yours either.
xsarien I'm a member of the Inderpence Party because I don't argee with either side entirely. Although I think the GOP is correct 90% of the time, they are not perfect. So I choose to place myself in the middle.
I think I got them all, let me know if I missed something you want me to talk about. I'm always open for discussion. Although being a college student I'm hit or miss of being on the forum.
I'm not a big fan of Bush but how can people blame him for the poor economy? Interest rates are low, taxes were lowered by him a while ago, he supports deregulation. That's all good for business and basically all that the president can directly do in terms of the economy without initiating massive New Deal-type job programs. Eventually the economy will sort itself out...or not but it isn't really under Bush's control and him getting the blame for a bad economy or praise for a good one is kind of stupid.
videogamer
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Raise Havok said:
There's a lot of things to blame poverty on, but you are blaming overpopulation? Then countries like Singapore, Japan, and Vatican City must be absolutely ghetto! Not only that, the US is projected to gain population. The US is nowhere near the top in terms of population density (overpopulation= too many people/area?). These countries don't even have the benefit of America's natural resources.
BTW, my dad come from a family of 9 and my mom came from a family of 8. The 40-75 time area that you cite benefited from (off the top of my head):
1. Post war spending: GI's came home, started families and spent to support this life style.
2. A tremendous increase in social spending... see "war on poverty"
3. Heavy spending on the Vietnam war which paid for the industries supplying the military and in turn creating jobs.
However, you need to clarify your argument. I'm totally lost trying to follow your connections between minimum wage, poverty, population size, and that time.
The real question is why the current administration has not even decreased the poverty rate. Maybe if the government didn't spend so much money on Iraq, they could figure out some way to fix the poverty problem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density
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