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OFFICIAL Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith thread

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ManaByte

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Since people avoid the big spoilers thread, it's about time we had an OFFICIAL thread to hold everything for the movie especially since reviews officially are beginning to roll in as of today (with more coming over the next couple weeks).

Trailers

Teaser
Trailer

TV Spots
Teaser
Unleashed
Tragedy
Unite
Jedi Action 1
Jedi Action 2
To Protect
Seduction
Tragedy 2 (The best trailer ever!)
Brothers
Celebration

Music Video
A Hero Falls

Yoda Diet Pepsi Commercial
"Your drink, desire you not"

Rotten Tomatoes:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_3/

Time Magazine's Review:
Revenge of the Sith shows Lucas storming back as a prime confector of popular art. Again one feels the sure narrative footing of the first Star Wars, the sepulchral allure of Empire, the confident resolution of a dozen plotlines that made Jedi a satisfying capper to the original enterprise.

Sith has some clunky bits—all the films have those—and some amateur acting. But McGregor grows and grays intelligently into the middle-aged Obi-Wan, and his fellow Scot Ian McDiarmid has a starmaking turn as Chancellor Palpatine. It is brooding stuff, the most violent of the series—it's rated PG-13—about the coming-of-rage of a classic villain. Anakin even has a bit of Shakespearean resonance: the conflicted Hamlet finding the grasping pride of Macbeth, the noble assassin Brutus festering into a yellow-eyed Titus Andronicus.

In two weeks, lots of people will fill movie houses around the world to judge the latest and last Star Wars episode. True believers will debate and deliberate over each scene with the severity of a Jedi Council. The rest of us will breathe a sigh of relief that Lucas found the skill to make a grave and vigorous popular entertainment, a picture that regains and sustains the filmic Force he dreamed up a long time ago, in a movie industry that seems far, far away. Because he, irrevocably, changed it.

The New York Times
"This is by far the best film in the more recent trilogy, and also the best of the four episodes Mr. Lucas has directed. That's right (and my inner 11-year-old shudders as I type this): it's better than "Star Wars."

Kevin Smith's Review:
"Revenge of the Sith" is, quite simply, fucking awesome. This is the "Star Wars" prequel the haters have been bitching for since "Menace" came out, and if they don't cop to that when they finally see it, they're lying. As dark as "Empire" was, this movie goes a thousand times darker ... (spoilers omitted) ... this flick is so satisfyingly tragic, you'll think you're watching "Othello" or "Hamlet".

Steven Spielberg Says:

absolutely amazing, the best of the last three films...You'll cry at the end.

The Daily Telegraph Review:

This star shines: excellent end to an epic

GEORGE Lucas has rewarded those who kept with the force for almost 30 years with a barnstorming conclusion to his Star Wars saga.

Star Wars Episode III Revenge of the Sith faithfully combines some of Lucas's trademark shortcomings as a director with astonishing digital effects, a terrific last few reels and wonderful light-sabre rattling.

Revenge of the Sith, the third of the modern prequels to 1977's Star Wars, ditches the petty politicking and tedious back stories that made Attack of the Clones and The Phantom Menace so laborious.

While he and Portman work far better together in this film, Christensen is cheesy when it matters. You'd blame the director but Ewan McGregor (Obi-Wan) and McDiarmid deliver strong, individual performances. And you can throw in Yoda, who's at his feisty, entertaining best.

The last 45 minutes of this film is enough to forgive Lucas's prior misdemeanours. It's angry, fiery and occasionally brilliant.

Canada's National Post Review:

Star wars sneak peek
Hayden Christensen seethes, the dialogue improves and George Lucas makes a cameo

And the verdict? Lucas has, indeed, concocted a brooding Star Wars film. There's no question it's grim, as Anakin's life gives way to a world according to Darth.

But this Sith film has livelier Lucas dialogue than Episode II --Attack of the Clones, and especially more than Episode I -- The Phantom Menace, and recalls some of the snappy patter from his first three cinematic efforts, in which script doctors spiced up the wordplay.

Lucas has even included some telltale phrases from the earlier Star Wars series as a playful acknowledgement and thematic bridge of where he's been -- a back-to-his-future kind of thing.

Hollywood Reporter's Review:

The final episode of George Lucas' cinematic epic "Star Wars" ends the six-movie series on such a high note that one feels like yelling out, "Rewind!" Yes, rewind through more than 13 hours of bravery, treachery, new worlds, odd creatures and human frailty. The first two episodes of Lucas' second trilogy -- "The Phantom Menace" (1999) and "Attack of the Clones" (2002) -- caused more than a few fans of the original trilogy to wonder whether this prequel was worth it. The answer is a qualified yes. It did take a lot of weighty exposition, stiffly played scenes and less-than-magical creatures to get to "Star Wars: Episode III -- Revenge of the Sith." But what a ride Lucas and Co. have in store!

Variety's Review:

The Force returns with most of its original power regained. Concluding entry in George Lucas' second three-pack of space epics teems with action, drama and spectacle, and even supplies the odd surge of emotion, as young Anakin Skywalker goes over to the Dark Side and the stage is set for the generation of stories launched by the original "Star Wars" 28 years ago. Whatever one thought of the previous two installments, this dynamic picture irons out most of the problems, and emerges as the best in the overall series since "The Empire Strikes Back."

Entertaining from start to finish and even enthralling at times, "Sith" has some acting worth writing home about, specifically McDiarmid's dominant turn as the mastermind of the evil empire. McGregor remains a steady presence, and both Portman and Christensen have loosened up since "Clones" to acceptable, if hardly inspired, levels. Expressiveness of the digitally animated Yoda, voiced as always by Frank Oz, is amazing.

May 19th, 2005
 
Excellent. Got my ticket, 12:01 showing at the AMC in Newport KY (a hop and skip across the river from Cincy.) Apparently, 6 theaters have sold out there, with 2 more selling. Caraaaaazy.

Also, I'd just like to remind those sitting in the "spoilered" section that this isn't the spoiler thread, so mark 'em in this one.
 
funny how ep1 and 2 also got semi positive reviews before it was officially released and then got hammered when normal ppl and critics saw the movie.
 
The past few days I've been watching Nick At Nite real late, and once it ends and the cartoons begin, there are all these ads for EpIII with the most corny of voiceovers and whatever.
 

ManaByte

Member
Kabuki Waq said:
funny how ep1 and 2 also got semi positive reviews before it was officially released and then got hammered when normal ppl and critics saw the movie.

Time's TPM review closing paragraph:
We know too--anyway, some of us do--that the original Star Wars was at times a stilted enterprise, and that, as secret alliances and bloodlines were revealed, the series matured, grew into emotional resonance. For now, The Phantom Menace is a phantom movie, the merest hint of a terrific saga that the final two episodes of the new trilogy may reveal. At least, that's what we, and Hollywood, want to believe. Hype, after all, is just moviespeak for hope.

Pretty different than their ROTS review.
 
Kabuki Waq said:
funny how ep1 and 2 also got semi positive reviews before it was officially released and then got hammered when normal ppl and critics saw the movie.

Why do you troll every single Star Wars thread with this SAME argument? We get it; you don't like the movies and don't consider the current reviews to be accurate.
 

Ristamar

Member
Damn, I need to get tickets for that Wednesday night before they sell out. I guess I'll also end up venturing down to Annapolis the following weekend to check it out digitally.
 
manabyte: why not post the postive episode 2 review from times?

"Let the Battle Begin!
George Lucas' new Star Wars film sends the Jedi knights against an upstart army of ... Spider-Men?
By RICHARD CORLISS


Recipe for a May blockbuster: teen misfit falls in love, disobeys a sympathetic father figure, battles monsters and stumbles toward a complicated manhood. We doubt that the Spider-Man people swapped script notes with George Lucas and his Star Wars: Episode II—Attack of the Clones team; still, the similarities are striking. So, probably, are the eventual box-office numbers. Spidey has quickly scaled the Hollywood heights, but Lucas may be able to ward off this arach attack. Remember, folks: every previous Star Wars movie has been the top-grossing film of its year.

Like the army of clones deployed in Episode II, a gaggle of critics has already spread the news that the picture stinks. It doesn't. It has more action than either Spider-Man or the last Star Wars film, The Phantom Menace. It's gorgeously designed and color coordinated; the god who created this galaxy was working from a very rich palette. In its digital version (Clones will be shown on traditional film in most theaters), the image is shallow but sharp and subtle. If this is the future of movies—at least of epics with visual effects that make the 'plex screen a computer screen—bring it on.

There's nothing deep or emotionally grand about this enterprise, but Star Wars never occupied that part of the cinema spectrum. The series was—and remains—Lucas' elaborate reconstruction of his Saturday-matinee memories and fantasies. This time the energy level is higher, the tempo brisker; a nice sense of doom crawls up the spine of the narrative. The leaden Menace was full of the posturing that two hostile nations engage in while marshaling their forces. In Clones the war breaks out.

The plot? It's boy (Anakin Skywalker, played by Hayden Christensen) remeets girl (Natalie Portman's Padmé Amidala), and a noble Jedi knight (Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan Kenobi) meets a naughty one (Count Dooku, incarnated by Christopher Lee). Joseph Campbell might have got a kick out of the mythic reverberations, but for the rest of us the story is a thin clothesline on which to hang some terrific computerized beasties (the iguana hashslinger Dexter Jettster, the tall, graceful llama-lamas of planet Kamino) and fab set pieces (a treadmill struggle in the clone factory). Lucas guides these scenes with ingenious care. As for the actors, they're on their own, and it shows.

It's a melancholy fact that the Star Wars films with the strongest acting and densest mood are The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi —the two that Lucas didn't direct. That may be the bargain a director makes when he goes over to the digital side. He can animate a pixel but not a Portman. An often enchanting presence, the young star is stiff and humorless here. Christensen has to carry the emotional load. And he does a fine job: his Anakin is both a petulant, impetuous boy and a young man with an appraising stare. He suggests a mind eager for action, restless and conflicted, ready to turn—as Anakin will next time—into Darth Vader.

For solid thesping, hire the Brits. McGregor tamps down his innate exuberance to play stern baby-sitter to Anakin but lends his scenes a thoughtful weight. And Lee has the tired majesty of a Dracula shaken awake in his sepulcher but with a few good bites left in him. He enunciates plot points like a teacher with a thrilling classroom style; his voice has cello music in it. His character also cues the film's one giddy musical moment: when Dooku rides a celestial scooter, composer John Williams borrows The Wizard of Oz's theme music for the Wicked Witch on her flying bike.

Clones' visual effects can be buoyant (Anakin makes a pear float, in a literal fruit loop) or imposing (the final vista of an orange sky). And they give a vertiginous kick to the fight scenes. A mile-high car chase has cool dips and speed bumps. An arena battle begins as a Gladiator knock-off and then escalates, with lumbering monsters that recall the peerless work of stop-motion master Ray Harryhausen. A light-saber duel in the dark has loads of drama and glamour.

And at the end, when the now computerized Yoda finally reveals his martial artistry, the film ascends to a kinetic life so teeming that even cranky adults may rediscover the quivering kid inside. That child doesn't think about the labor that went into all these cybersaber dances. He doesn't think at all. He just stares up in innocent awe, at one with movie magic."

Basically he says plot and acting dont matter to him but it has pretty colours so it was good.



Incognito: If someone made a Official Superman 64 thread would it be trolling if i said it was a bad game?



I was pointing out how early critics always seem to be positive when talking about the starwars prequels....and cmon Kevin Smith actually thought the acting in episode 2 was good so his opinion is worthless.
 

LukeSmith

Member
I'm seeing it on Thursday with the majority of the U.S. entertainment journalists. If anyone wants I will post a big review here, and spoiler tag everything as it needs to be.
 

shantyman

WHO DEY!?
IAmtheFMan said:
Excellent. Got my ticket, 12:01 showing at the AMC in Newport KY (a hop and skip across the river from Cincy.) Apparently, 6 theaters have sold out there, with 2 more selling. Caraaaaazy.

Also, I'd just like to remind those sitting in the "spoilered" section that this isn't the spoiler thread, so mark 'em in this one.

I'm seeing it at Showcase Springdale, just a hop skip and a jump from you. I love seeing digitally projected movies.
 

Manics

Banned
The trailer actually looked pretty good. See now my expectations aren't at an all time low and I might just be re-disappointed again. I sincerely hope it's a decent movie.
 
shantyman said:
I'm seeing it at Showcase Springdale, just a hop skip and a jump from you. I love seeing digitally projected movies.

Yeah, I'll probably check it out at Springdale after the midnight showing sometime; I don't think it's a Showcase anymore but a Cinema de Lux or something. Last time I was there, I had to pay like 12 dollars at a matinee to be in their extra-deluxe theatre, which seemed pretty much the same as all the other theaters... but whatever. The showing at the AMC is gonna be nuts so I'm excited for that. :)
 
if i was back in sweden i would have to stand in a big fucking line for 20 hrs to get tickets for it but since i live in malta i just have to walk up to the cinema and get my tickets on the 19th may:)

no lines, no waiting and not ficking camping outside!

thanks to the maltase population for not giving a shit about films :D

cant wait to see this sucker!
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
Got my ticket for a Marcus Theaters UltraScreen (75' screen). 12:01.. Tickets went on sale online 10:30pm 4/21 and sold out by 6:00am 4/22... this one is going to be huge.

Kabuki Waq said:
Incognito: If someone made a Official Superman 64 thread would it be trolling if i said it was a bad game?
The difference here is that multiple threads are being made (covering various aspects) and the same people are trolling each thread saying the same thing. So a soundtrack thread is made and people come in saying the movies suck (even though it is about the soundtrack). And some new pictures are released in a thread and people come in and say the movies sucks. and then a video game thread is made and people come in and say the movies suck. If the thread is remotely about anything related to star wars, you have the same goons coming in and doing nothing but talking about how they think the prequels suck. Heck, even the OT DVD release ended up being filled with countless posts about how the prequels suck from the same posters.

that is what makes it trolling.

I was pointing out how early critics always seem to be positive when talking about the starwars prequels....and cmon Kevin Smith actually thought the acting in episode 2 was good so his opinion is worthless.
actually ep1 has 62% on rotten tomatoes and AOTC has 65%.. so it is fair to say that a majority of critics actually liked the movies.. and taking into account the number of critics that actually seemingly say a majority of positive things about a movie only to have RT count it as a rotten score means that probably a few more considered the movie overall positive as well... so one could say that early critics mostly liked the movies, and that further critics mostly liked the movies as well (62%+).

As for fans, the second movie (we won't count TPM because it's boxoffice is very difficult to gauge) was over $300M movie. RTeally, a movie doesn't get to $300M on everyone seeing the movie once or twice in the theater. And a movie doesn't get to $300M with a limited number of fans seeing it multiple times over and over. A movie gets to over $300M with many viewers, casual and hardcore, seeing the movie multiple times. Ergo, a good chunk of the public (majority or minority is impossible to determine) decided the movie was good enough to warrant another viewing (or more).

That is my biggest problem with the PT haters. It is fine to not like something. It is even fine to say you don't like something multiple times (though every thread is getting tiring). But they honestly believe their opinion is fact and that the majority of people share their opinions. They discount the positive reviews or opinions as fanboy fanaticism and argue that opinions are wrong in every thread. You don't like the movie fine. I respect that as the opinion of a critical thinking individual. But then respect my opinion to like the PT also as a critical thinking individual who has come to a different opinion as you.

The inability of the average PT hater to do so is what gives them in general such a bad rap.
 

shantyman

WHO DEY!?
IAmtheFMan said:
Yeah, I'll probably check it out at Springdale after the midnight showing sometime; I don't think it's a Showcase anymore but a Cinema de Lux or something. Last time I was there, I had to pay like 12 dollars at a matinee to be in their extra-deluxe theatre, which seemed pretty much the same as all the other theaters... but whatever. The showing at the AMC is gonna be nuts so I'm excited for that. :)

I thought Shocase still owned it, but I don't really know. All I know is 9 dollars a ticket is more than enough, I would never pay more for a "nicer" theater.
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
shantyman said:
I thought Shocase still owned it, but I don't really know. All I know is 9 dollars a ticket is more than enough, I would never pay more for a "nicer" theater.
our marcus theaters (at least most of them) just jumped to around $9 a ticket... apaprently (I didn't know) that is kind of high for a ticket, especially given the size of the area (milwaukee, wi). however they are EXTREMELY nice theaters. very comfortable seats, stadium seating, nice and carpeted, nice lobby, etc.. compared to many other theaters in like chicago or LA they are gorgeous.. so I can live with $9, especially for a 75' screen. :)
 
From the TIME review

Toward the end of Revenge of the Sith, the malefic Darth Sidious advances on Yoda, most of whose comrades on the Jedi Council have been cruelly cut down as the Republic is betrayed and the evil Empire spreads its vulture wings. "At last," the Sith lord hisses, sensing victory over a foe, "the Jedi are no more." Yoda, with all the knowledge and power of the Force compacted into a two-foot fur ball, squints sternly and issues one of his upside-down oracular sentences: "Not if anything I have to say about it."

That last line with yoda saying "Not if anything I have to say about it." proves Lucas cannot write dialouge. HORRIBLE!
 

Baron Aloha

A Shining Example
galeninjapan said:
That last line with yoda saying "Not if anything I have to say about it." proves Lucas cannot right dialouge. HORRIBLE!

Not that I don't agree with you...but you left yourself wide open there.
 

Tedesco!

Member
It isn't, but you could at least learn how to write if you're going to keep beating a dead horse. Go away, we get it, you don't like SW prequels.
 
Tedesco! said:
It isn't, but you could at least learn how to write if you're going to keep beating a dead horse. Go away, we get it, you don't like SW prequels.

I was quoting the TIME review, which has alot of authority since they have seen the movie.
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
galeninjapan said:
That last line with yoda saying "Not if anything I have to say about it." proves Lucas cannot write dialouge. HORRIBLE!
proves it's horrible according to whose standards? again, point proven that PT bashers truly cannot grasp that theirs is an opinion that many other people have just as much a right to feel differently about.

so what would you have yoda say? (not that I really care or want to know)
 

Escape Goat

Member
borghe said:
proves it's horrible according to whose standards? again, point proven that PT bashers truly cannot grasp that theirs is an opinion that many other people have just as much a right to feel differently about.

so what would you have yoda say? (not that I really care or want to know)


It is hackneyed and cliche.
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
Manics said:
Fuck if I have to hear one more reviewer say "oh it's VERY DARK" one more time I'm gonna kill someone, and then my life will be very dark.

I got it. It's dark. Very dark.
to be fair, unless you have read the book, you still *might* be surprised by how dark the movie is. it may seem annoying and obvious, but really, as I was reading the book I was, I would almost use the word shocked, by some parts. IMHO people aren't saying that to hype it up or anything, they are saying it because I think almost everyone will be surprised by how dark it really gets. probably 100 times darker than Empire
, and more deaths (on screen) than the rest of the saga combined.
 

DJ_Tet

Banned
Teh Hamburglar said:
Hackneyed and cliche it is.

Fixed ;)


Anyway, shame the haters can't leave the fans alone for the last Star Wars. Just give it a rest.

Why don't you wait till YOU see the movie and then hate it.
 

SteveMeister

Hang out with Steve.
It'd be refreshing if we could keep the PT bashing to a minimum in this thread. This thread's about Episode 3 -- let's wait until we see it ourselves before we express our opinions of it.

Just a suggestion.
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
Teh Hamburglar said:
It is hackneyed and cliche.
and so are many lines from many other great movies. what is your point? we have had over 100 years of film and hundreds of years of literature... yet even in the best movies you get cliched lines of dialogue or ever slight variations on overly familiar lines or themes.

just because something is cliche, especially something as trvial as ONE LINE IN THE MOVIE, doesn't necessarily make the whole of the movie bad.

I thought you haters could do better than that.
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
borghe said:
and so are many lines from many other great movies. what is your point? we have had over 100 years of film and hundreds of years of literature... yet even in the best movies you get cliched lines of dialogue or ever slight variations on overly familiar lines or themes.

just because something is cliche, especially something as trvial as ONE LINE IN THE MOVIE, doesn't necessarily make the whole of the movie bad.
As someone quite looking forward to this movie, let's be fair. Yoda's dialogue has been a little harder to take seriously in the prequels, especially since we've gotten so much more of it. Maybe it's exactly the same style, whatever, I don't care. The thing that matters is now Yoda is supposed to be an incredibly badass fighter, and the dialogue sounds goofy in that context. When he was a strange and creepy green muppet in the swamps? It totally fit.

As for this specific line, it sounds pretty lame in my head. Maybe it won't be on film. Still, I'm sure there was a way to get the same message across while doing something that works better with Yoda's speech pattern.
 

Escape Goat

Member
borghe said:
and so are many lines from many other great movies. what is your point? we have had over 100 years of film and hundreds of years of literature... yet even in the best movies you get cliched lines of dialogue or ever slight variations on overly familiar lines or themes.

just because something is cliche, especially something as trvial as ONE LINE IN THE MOVIE, doesn't necessarily make the whole of the movie bad.

I thought you haters could do better than that.


1) Noones discusing other movies

2) I never said it made the movie bad. But it is bad dialogue.
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
sorry.. I thought you were referring to the "movie's" dialogue based on the one line. my bad.

that is just how yoda talks.. I do agree that yoda has become less mystical in the PT and more "badass", and really while it was novel at first it has kind of worn of on me now.. I definitely preferred the wise old master to the hardass fighter. but for me maybe that is why the dialogue fits a little better... because to me yoda is still more or less the little green guy that lifts the x-wing out of the swamp as opposed to the hopping muppet against dooku...

in some stuff I've seen from ROTS, they have actually changed his fighting style a little bit. not quite so much crack, a little more finesse... hopefully it isn't just my eyes playing tricks on me.

as for the particular line.. eh.. I suggest waiting to see it in the movie. "Why, you stuck up, half-witted, scruffy-looking nerf-herder." isn't exactly the line of the year either, but in context of the scene ends up being pretty damn funny.
 

shantyman

WHO DEY!?
Interesting article from the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/01/b...a2763e89081&ex=1117684800&mkt=bizphotocaption

May 1, 2005
Is There Life After 'Star Wars' for Lucasfilm?
By LAURA M. HOLSON

HERE is a question fit for Yoda: Now that the director George Lucas has finished the last of his six "Star Wars" movies, what will become of his company, Lucasfilm, the entertainment empire that Anakin Skywalker built?

To hear Mr. Lucas tell it, Lucasfilm will be less ambitious, not more. There will be no more live-action, blockbuster movies, he said, and that means fewer peaks and troughs. In the past, the company's profits would soar during years when a "Star Wars" film was released, only to fall off a cliff between movies.

From now on, he said, Lucasfilm will be a "widget driven" enterprise, churning out books, video games and television shows, with a more predictable rate of return of 10 to 20 percent a year. Eventually, he said, the hit-driven cult of personality surrounding both him and "Star Wars" will give way to "a sane reality."

"I have no intention of running a film company," said Mr. Lucas, whose new film, "Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith," will be released this month. "That is the last thing in the world I'd do."

"I'm trying to get back to that place that the company functions without me and 'Star Wars,' where they don't need some genius at the head to run the company," this multibillionaire added. "What I am doing is so I don't need to be a visionary."

But as Lucasfilm enters its post-"Star Wars" phase, it is far from clear whether the handpicked executives who have worked so closely with Mr. Lucas for decades will emerge as leaders in their own right. More to the point, those who know him wonder how much control he is ready to give up.

Mr. Lucas, 61, started the company in 1971 in Marin County, north of San Francisco, as a production vehicle for his movies, but he has since compiled a dizzying array of entertainment businesses that would make any Hollywood studio chief jealous. They include video games (LucasArts), special effects (Industrial Light and Magic), sound editing (Skywalker Sound) and "Star Wars" product licensing (Lucas Licensing).

As the sole owner of Lucasfilm, a company that analysts estimate has nearly $1 billion in annual revenue and virtually no debt, Mr. Lucas has no one to answer to - and he can manage the transition from "Star Wars" as he sees fit. "I don't have to do anything," he said in an interview last week from his office at Skywalker Ranch near San Rafael, Calif. "I can work for a year to get the company in gear without rationalizing it."

Over the next several months, he said, he plans to concentrate on revving up future projects, including two recently announced "Star Wars" television series. The goal, he said, is to build the Lucasfilm archives with hundreds of hours of digital programming, so that one day the company's executives can start their own television channel or form some other new concern.

COLLEAGUES who have known Mr. Lucas the longest said a revamping of the company - including a rethinking of his own role - was inevitable. "Is it a time of change? Yes," said Jim Morris, a 17-year Lucasfilm veteran who oversaw its special effects and sound divisions before he joined Pixar Animation Studios last year as a producer. "Are there issues with him letting go? Probably. But when you take the whole package, I wouldn't bet against him. In George's mind, he would see, over time, building a creative bench."

Above all, he said, "George wants options." And those options include, of course, taking the company public one day.

This summer, Lucasfilm's roughly 1,500 employees will move into the Letterman Digital Arts Center, the company's newly built headquarters in San Francisco. Mr. Lucas spared no expense in designing the $350 million campus, which is in the Presidio, a former military base, and offers sweeping views of the Golden Gate Bridge. He added, among other things, a serpentine creek constructed from the remnants of a stream bed he bought from a Northern California farmer.

Some Lucasfilm employees have protested the move to the new headquarters, saying they would have to uproot their families in Marin County or suffer a commute of an hour or more. But several top executives say that having nearly all the employees together in one facility for the first time, far from the mystique of Skywalker Ranch and Mr. Lucas, may aid the evolution to a less Lucas-dependent environment.

"It makes clear sense to be looking at a life without George to some degree," said Howard Roffman, president of Lucas Licensing, who joined the company in 1980 and has served both as Lucasfilm's general counsel and chief operating officer over the years.

Alan Keith, vice president for administration at Lucasfilm, added: "George's challenge is coming up with the next creative generation."

Over lunch at the dining hall at Big Rock, Lucasfilm's corporate campus next to Skywalker Ranch, Micheline Chau, the president and chief operating officer, said Mr. Lucas began thinking about overhauling the company in 2002, just after the release of "Attack of the Clones," the fifth "Star Wars" film made.

Back then, the company was criticized for several missteps, she said. Licensees were stung by lackluster merchandise sales after the release of "The Phantom Menace" in 1999 and were worried about more of the same with "Attack of the Clones." Poorly conceived "Star Wars" video games flooded the market, turning off fans. And I.L.M., the special-effects division, was facing increasing competition as filmmakers became more adept at creating their own effects.

Lucasfilm executives were getting antsy, too. Some left; others sought new opportunities. "We wanted to set ourselves up after 'Episode III,' " said Mr. Keith, referring to the new film, "Revenge of the Sith," the sixth in the series but third in the chronology.

Mr. Lucas faced a similar quandary before and after the release of "Return of the Jedi" in 1983, when many people were predicting the demise of both "Star Wars" and Lucasfilm. During a noon meeting in 2002 in Mr. Lucas's office overlooking a vineyard and an artificial lake, Ms. Chao recalled recently, she posed this question to him: "What do we want to be?"

In a sense, Lucasfilm has always served two masters: Mr. Lucas and everyone else. I.L.M., and Skywalker Sound earn the bulk of their revenue working for people other than Mr. Lucas. Skywalker Sound, for instance, derives at least 90 percent of its business from audio post-production for films. In the last 10 years, almost 90 percent of I.L.M.'s business has been for non-"Star Wars" movies.

By contrast, the video game maker LucasArts and Lucas Licensing have concentrated mainly on creating and distributing "Star Wars" merchandise.

Indeed, the "Star Wars" movies and products have generated most of the profits. All told, the movies have earned revenue of more than $3.4 billion at the worldwide box office, which includes $1.8 billion in the United States. The company has reported sales of $9 billion in merchandise. Lucasfilm has also sold 130 million "Star Wars" DVD's. "The success of 'Star Wars' has allowed George to do many things," said Jim Gianopulos, chairman at Fox Filmed Entertainment, which distributes Mr. Lucas's movies.

Ms. Chau's conversation with Mr. Lucas prompted two years of talks involving them and other top executives, resulting in the mandate to make the company driven less by both "Star Wars" and Mr. Lucas. While major decisions are not made without consulting the director, Ms. Chau and others have much leeway. "We are not a democracy," she said. Still, she added, "We've never been, 'What would George think?' We've never run our businesses like that. We have to stand on our own two feet."

THE technological heart of Lucasfilm is I.L.M., the place where many of Mr. Lucas's most interesting concepts are born. Pixar Animation Studios, for one, got its start there. (It was sold to Steven P. Jobs, the Apple Computer co-founder, in 1986.) Some of I.L.M.'s advanced film-editing technology was sold to Avid Technology in 1991 and became a cornerstone of that company.

I.L.M. has worked on the "Harry Potter" and "Pirates of the Caribbean" movies, among others. But in recent years, the division's dominance in special effects has been tested as competitors have blossomed.

Chrissie England, the president of I.L.M., said the effects division would be more flexible in the future. It has already lent some visual-effects supervisors and producers to work specifically with directors outside Lucasfilm on special-effects projects, she said, and has been sharing proprietary information. And once I.L.M. moves to San Francisco this summer, its executives expect to work more closely with the video game division and the new television animation team.

"The key here is to be able to share people and technology," Mr. Keith said. "Ultimately, there will be crossover when we get further down the road."

One division ripe for an overhaul was LucasArts, the video game business that was formed in 1982 and is vital to the post-"Star Wars" success of the company. Last year, Ms. Chau interviewed several candidates to run the division and handed the job, after a three-month tryout, to Jim Ward, who joined Lucasfilm in 1997 to head a newly formed marketing division.

For inspiration, Mr. Ward keeps two 12-inch-high figures on the credenza behind his desk: one of Gen. George S. Patton, the other of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, also a general. In the corner of the office, Mr. Ward has a life-size replica of a red-and-black-tattooed Darth Maul from "Phantom Menace."

Under Mr. Ward, LucasArts has shown signs of renewed life, although it is facing brutal competition. It will distribute five or six video games a year, some made by outside developers. Last August, Mr. Ward streamlined the division, laying off 31 people. He demanded that game developers meet their proposed deadlines and develop better stories. And he is adamant about creating new intellectual property.

"It's not without challenges," he said. "We can't sit here and say we've got everything figured out."

In January, LucasArts released one of its fastest-selling non-"Star Wars" video games in recent history, a combat game called "Mercenaries"; 1.1 million have been sold. Mr. Ward also wants to revive the "Indiana Jones" franchise.

Ms. Chau, who was recruited in 1991 to be chief financial officer, brings a solid corporate sensibility to Lucasfilm. When Mr. Lucas wanted to buy a corporate jet in the early 1990's, she said, she told him that it was too expensive. (He still asks for one, she said, but less often. Instead, she charters him a jet.) More recently, she told Mr. Lucas to stay away from the unfinished site of the San Francisco headquarters unless he was invited. So far, he has been asked to drop by three times.

"George and I had a conversation about freedom and letting go," she said. Still, she acknowledged that the detail-obsessed Mr. Lucas had seen hundreds of photographs and illustrations for the new complex, and that the two had pored over 20 outside window designs and more than 100 fabric swatches for the material-lined walls of the main movie theater.

But as much authority as is afforded to Ms. Chau, Mr. Lucas remains the arbiter of all things "Star Wars." And that is unlikely to change. Mr. Roffman recalled that in 1990, he asked Mr. Lucas for permission to hire science-fiction writers to create novels based on the series. Mr. Lucas was skeptical at first but finally agreed. Mr. Roffman has released more than 65 titles, and the books have become a steady profit center.

"You know we're unusual in the sense that we're bounded by this visionary legend who has created things that have stretched the boundaries of this world's culture," he said.

It is precisely that sentiment, though, that may limit Lucasfilm. Critics warn that the company is so tied up in the "Star Wars" mythology that it will be difficult for Mr. Lucas to distance himself.

INDEED, despite his stated desire to pull back, Mr. Lucas announced at a "Star Wars" fan convention in Indianapolis two weeks ago plans to make two television series based on - what else? - "Star Wars." These include a 3-D, animated, half-hour show based on the "Clone Wars" series, which Lucasfilm created for the Cartoon Network, as well as a live-action series based on supporting "Star Wars" characters.

What is more, Lucasfilm's new animation team will be located at Skywalker Ranch, near Mr. Lucas, not in the new San Francisco complex with most of the rest of the employees. (Lucasfilm recently started a Singapore operation, which is not yet up and running.) And Rob Coleman, a creative executive from I.L.M. who was Mr. Lucas's animation director for the last three "Star Wars" movies, will be among those working with Mr. Lucas on the TV shows.

In fact, Ms. Chau said that the company had hired a handful of writers and directors to work with Mr. Lucas and that she hoped they could do projects on their own once they gained the director's trust.

"What is important for management," Ms. Chau said, "is that we put people in front of George who can interact with him, work well with him and who are not afraid of George."

But Mr. Lucas has made it clear that he is not interested in training a ready army of filmmakers. "It's not like we have to come up with a movie every year," he said, concerned about what has become a hit-driven business. "I don't want to be Pixar."

His ambition for Lucasfilm, he said, is far more ordinary. "I'm not depending on these people or a new group of people to take the company into a megahit reality," he said. "I'm trying to build a company where we don't make miracles but we do a good job."
 

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borghe said:
sorry.. I thought you were referring to the "movie's" dialogue based on the one line. my bad.

that is just how yoda talks.. I do agree that yoda has become less mystical in the PT and more "badass", and really while it was novel at first it has kind of worn of on me now.. I definitely preferred the wise old master to the hardass fighter. but for me maybe that is why the dialogue fits a little better... because to me yoda is still more or less the little green guy that lifts the x-wing out of the swamp as opposed to the hopping muppet against dooku...

in some stuff I've seen from ROTS, they have actually changed his fighting style a little bit. not quite so much crack, a little more finesse... hopefully it isn't just my eyes playing tricks on me.

as for the particular line.. eh.. I suggest waiting to see it in the movie. "Why, you stuck up, half-witted, scruffy-looking nerf-herder." isn't exactly the line of the year either, but in context of the scene ends up being pretty damn funny.

The way I look at it, AOTC and ROTS are when Yoda finally learns that "wars not make one great". He may not have realized that before the war began.
 
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