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OFFICIAL Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith thread
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Impressive. Most impressive.
IAmtheFMan
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A'ight!
Just got back from Revenge of the Sith, I'm going to put all my thoughts below in Spoiler Tags, but I am not going to spoil ANY singular detail from the film, if people want more details or questions I will answer them, but I want people to experience this movie's detail on it's own merit.
I will preface it with this:
I love Star Wars, old and new. But, I see the flaws in the first two (Ep. 1/2) as flaws and don't apologize for those mistakes. Jar Jar was unnecessary and the love story of Episode II was forced and ill-written.
I will preface it with this:
I love Star Wars, old and new. But, I see the flaws in the first two (Ep. 1/2) as flaws and don't apologize for those mistakes. Jar Jar was unnecessary and the love story of Episode II was forced and ill-written.
Episode III triumphs in its depiction of the final fall of Anakin Skywalker. From the degeneration of his relationships with everyone around him, to the growth of a new relationship with his new master.
Part of what makes this fall so tragic is the care Lucas puts in to establishing his relationships with other characters. Since Episode II, a pretty real relationship has formed between Obi Wan and Anakin, it makes the line where Obi Wan tells Luke in ANH "And he was a good friend" (or some such line) ring even more true.
Further, it shows from Obi Wan's perspective that he thinks of Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader as two very different entities, it is painfully clear in Episode III that Obi Wan considers Anakin a friend first and an apprentice second, so when he tells Luke that a "pupil of mine, Darth Vader betrayed and murdered your father" it is actually the truth, because there is a deliberate point in the movie where you will know it is the last time these two will speak as friends. All of that being kept in mind, the tragedy of Obi Wan and Anakin rings very true.
There was one specific line between Anakin and Padme that made me go "I wish they'd ended this scene 4 seconds ago" but the way the two's interactions are shot (extremely close and Anakin often half shadowed) actually allows these two actors to work. They look more comfortable in front of a green screen and Hayden Christensen can act (see: Shattered Glass) and everything between them plays out very well this time. Episode II was awkward at times like a 13 year old girl trying to give her eighth grade boyfriend a hand-job -- it still got the job done, but it was pretty rough. Episode III is significantly more accomplished in this respect.
The relationship between Chancellor Palpatine and Anakin is well developed. Anakin's courtship and eventual seduction to the Dark Side feels like the natural progression (or digression, if you prefer) of his character. The trap is set and he finds his way into it, but not without a few surprises along hte way.
The lightsaber battles are superb and the space battles in the movie equally so. The movie has less of the plastic-y feeling of the second film. The wookies look good, and any old characters (as in OT characters) who appear throughout the film are used perfectly, rather than as novelty items or small tidbits for trainspotters. (The Peter Cushing-a-like is so subtle, and so perfect)
I loved it, it was everything I wanted it to be and I was pretty concerned about the film, how Lucas could handle the depth and darkness of the story without sugar coating it. He didn't.
I saw a film projected version, not a digital one, so anything extra in the digital version I did not see.
Part of what makes this fall so tragic is the care Lucas puts in to establishing his relationships with other characters. Since Episode II, a pretty real relationship has formed between Obi Wan and Anakin, it makes the line where Obi Wan tells Luke in ANH "And he was a good friend" (or some such line) ring even more true.
Further, it shows from Obi Wan's perspective that he thinks of Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader as two very different entities, it is painfully clear in Episode III that Obi Wan considers Anakin a friend first and an apprentice second, so when he tells Luke that a "pupil of mine, Darth Vader betrayed and murdered your father" it is actually the truth, because there is a deliberate point in the movie where you will know it is the last time these two will speak as friends. All of that being kept in mind, the tragedy of Obi Wan and Anakin rings very true.
There was one specific line between Anakin and Padme that made me go "I wish they'd ended this scene 4 seconds ago" but the way the two's interactions are shot (extremely close and Anakin often half shadowed) actually allows these two actors to work. They look more comfortable in front of a green screen and Hayden Christensen can act (see: Shattered Glass) and everything between them plays out very well this time. Episode II was awkward at times like a 13 year old girl trying to give her eighth grade boyfriend a hand-job -- it still got the job done, but it was pretty rough. Episode III is significantly more accomplished in this respect.
The relationship between Chancellor Palpatine and Anakin is well developed. Anakin's courtship and eventual seduction to the Dark Side feels like the natural progression (or digression, if you prefer) of his character. The trap is set and he finds his way into it, but not without a few surprises along hte way.
The lightsaber battles are superb and the space battles in the movie equally so. The movie has less of the plastic-y feeling of the second film. The wookies look good, and any old characters (as in OT characters) who appear throughout the film are used perfectly, rather than as novelty items or small tidbits for trainspotters. (The Peter Cushing-a-like is so subtle, and so perfect)
I loved it, it was everything I wanted it to be and I was pretty concerned about the film, how Lucas could handle the depth and darkness of the story without sugar coating it. He didn't.
I saw a film projected version, not a digital one, so anything extra in the digital version I did not see.
grats scoot.. sounds like everything I am hoping for.. I already know the story, so your description is even that much sweeter by being vague about specifics but going into how and why everything works.. thanks!
the only other thing I want to know is about the digital version, so hopefully someone sees that and chimes in in this thread.
the only other thing I want to know is about the digital version, so hopefully someone sees that and chimes in in this thread.
borghe said:
Yeah dude, I wouldn't come in here and spoil specifics. Because to me, the movie isn't about the details this time. It's about this tremendous fall, something Lucas has built up to (awkwardly and at times, poorly) but fully realizes here.
The relationships in Episode III are genuine, something Lucas couldn't really pull off in TPM or AoTC. They felt wooden, or plastic-y, like several of those other films' set pieces. Here, everything coalesces, only to be defamed by both new relationships and the swift strike of a lightsaber.
All the reviews have been excellent, but they all mention the lack of that scene, and personally, George has really made me steamed with this exclusion.
I'm a huge SW fan, but when I see my fellow SW nerds throwing the concept of proper editing and writing out the window, it makes me feel embarassed.
In any case, I'm still seeing the film opening night, and am still highly anticipating it (reviews have been very positive so far).
No George. You can't mention a character who died two movies ago in passing, especially not when it turns out that he plays a major role and holds a revelation related to the nature of the force.
When people hear Yoda tell Obi-Wan that he chatted with Qui Gon, the audience is going to say -
"Who? Oh, that dude who died in TPM? When did Yoda talk to him? Why didn't they show it? He taught Yoda how to live on after death? How? Why didn't they show that? How did Qui-Gon learn this?"
Fuck George, it's not even the gap in the force ghost theory that dissapoints me, it's your fucking ridiculous editing choice. You can't introduce a major concept like that out of the blue. We need to see it, not be told it in passing. You might as well have not mentioned Qui Gon at all. Of course, all the SW whizzes will blindly accept this decision because they already know everything there is to know about the Star Wars universe, and anything that isn't in the film, they just magically imagine it in their heads.
When people hear Yoda tell Obi-Wan that he chatted with Qui Gon, the audience is going to say -
"Who? Oh, that dude who died in TPM? When did Yoda talk to him? Why didn't they show it? He taught Yoda how to live on after death? How? Why didn't they show that? How did Qui-Gon learn this?"
Fuck George, it's not even the gap in the force ghost theory that dissapoints me, it's your fucking ridiculous editing choice. You can't introduce a major concept like that out of the blue. We need to see it, not be told it in passing. You might as well have not mentioned Qui Gon at all. Of course, all the SW whizzes will blindly accept this decision because they already know everything there is to know about the Star Wars universe, and anything that isn't in the film, they just magically imagine it in their heads.
I'm a huge SW fan, but when I see my fellow SW nerds throwing the concept of proper editing and writing out the window, it makes me feel embarassed.
In any case, I'm still seeing the film opening night, and am still highly anticipating it (reviews have been very positive so far).
AniHawk said:Thanks for your impressions of the movie. Now, if you had to rank them, where would it fall?
I said to a friend, in order for (after one viewing) that in order for Batman Begins to be better than Revenge of the Sith, Batman Begins has to be better than Return of the Jedi, because after one viewing Sith > RoTJ.
RotJ has the Ewok fluff and the pace is off (the film is a touch too long, IMO). Sith is on par with the Original Trilogy after one viewing to me. Admittedly, though, it's pretty hard to separate right now, how good it was. When I see a great movie, and leave the theater still thinking about it, it takes more time than I've given it to properly process it vs. other films.
Empire is my favorite because of its Darkness. ANH, I love because of the optimism. Sith, I love because of it's use (finally, George, finally) of dramatic irony. The dramatic irony that takes in to account the future (OT) of Anakin Skywalker and his past, among other things Lucas did with the script (the way certain events play out, or are crosscut -- I will not be mentioning specifics here, obviously). This is an extremely complete Star Wars film, to me and one that I will watch regularly on DVD.
Ranking the original trilogy is so hard anyway, because in conversation Empire is my favorite but I can watch ANH and go, "god this is the best one" and then even the final fight in RotJ (which Sith's fight, does not ultimately surpass, despite the emotional gravitas of best friends fighting) makes me raise and eyebrow and think "this one, despite it's flaws could be the best of the bunch." What I'm himming and hawing at, is that it's almost impossible for me to rank the original trilogy -- but I do think that RotS, more than the other prequel films, undoubtedly has deserved it's place beside the original trilogy.
On any given day, any one of those movies can be my favorite. Sith after one viewing, should stand along side them.
mattx5 said:
film related spoiler within, click at risk, plz.
The unveiling of this is kind of expected. I've been under the impression that Qui Gon and Yoda have been talking for some time, hence why Yoda is often studying in his private room (with all of the shades) it is during one of these meditations in AotC where we hear Qui Gon's voice. Yoda has been saving this for a time when he would need it, and in the film he gives Obi Wan his final assignment, it is not to train Luke someday, but rather to prepare himself for becoming one with the force.
ManaByte said:
I don't see how some people can be that petty - why would he refuse? Does he hate George and/or Star Wars THAT much? Surely, it's just another (small) part of his job. Could it be he's cut because the scene is redundant, giving the discussion Obiwan has with Yoda? Afterall, a well written (uh-oh)exchange between major characters of the saga is probably more relevant. Obi-wans shock at Yodas commune could be enough of 'shock' to make it a surprise enough. I don't think the actual exchange between Yoda and QJ to be as important as many seem to think.
I finally got around to watching that trailer (no sound at work)
to be honest, I know the story, have seen every clip, seen every screenshot.....
and yet THAT is what I have been waiting almost 30 years for.... I can't believe after how spoiled I am THAT trailer could give me those kindof goosebumps. I just became completely reinvigorated for this movie, and given how much I have taken in on it, that is saying a lot.
this movie is going to rule over all star wars fans.
to be honest, I know the story, have seen every clip, seen every screenshot.....
and yet THAT is what I have been waiting almost 30 years for.... I can't believe after how spoiled I am THAT trailer could give me those kindof goosebumps. I just became completely reinvigorated for this movie, and given how much I have taken in on it, that is saying a lot.
this movie is going to rule over all star wars fans.
cvkpaladin
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Question regarding Qui Gon Jinn
Okay, if noone knew how to become a ghost-type being after death except for Qui-Gon who told Yoda, who then told Obi-Wan, how did Anikan learn how to do it at the end of Return of the Jedi? Will that be explained as well in the movie?
SteveMeister
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Tabris said:Not reading it
I think I may have figured out who Grevious is based on the trailers. Total guess here.
I think he's Maul.
Nope.
cvkpaladin
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Manabyte said:
Ah, okay. I can live with that theory.
Twitch posted theire 2 (negative) reviews.
Careful, one has spoilers: http://www.twitchfilm.net/archives/001857.html#more
Careful, one has spoilers: http://www.twitchfilm.net/archives/001857.html#more
I can't believe a Wookie does the Tarzan yell :lol
Christoff Yurievich
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for me, I knew every single thing that happened in The Phantom Menace before I saw it and the movie was awesome. Then I went to the theater.Birbo said:
ManaByte
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Couple more reviews linked on Rotten Tomatoes. Both positive:
http://www.cinemablend.com/review.php?id=965
http://www.mixedreviews.net/maindishes/2005/revengeofthesith/revengeofthesith.shtml
http://www.cinemablend.com/review.php?id=965
http://www.mixedreviews.net/maindishes/2005/revengeofthesith/revengeofthesith.shtml
"Lucas' screenplay is his strongest in years, and even contains a few barely-concealed critiques of the Bush Administration and the Iraq War. The commentaries on democracy are offered in direct counterpoint to a government that is clearly overstepping its bounds, and the parallels are obvious to anyone looking for them. While Bush might not be an evil emperor (yet), it's not that far a trip from Senator Palpatine to Tom DeLay."
Ugh.. this really killed the hype for me now. Why did I have to read this?? I know Ep. III involves zero modern political commentary but this little snippet has already tainted the experience for me. I don't want to watch this thing thinking about modern political overtones. (All of the sudden Lucas becomes a brilliant satirist screenwriter that can deftly weave a multitude of complex themes into a scifi action space opera? c'mon.) I gotta let this distaste wash out of my mind before I see the movie.
Ugh.. this really killed the hype for me now. Why did I have to read this?? I know Ep. III involves zero modern political commentary but this little snippet has already tainted the experience for me. I don't want to watch this thing thinking about modern political overtones. (All of the sudden Lucas becomes a brilliant satirist screenwriter that can deftly weave a multitude of complex themes into a scifi action space opera? c'mon.) I gotta let this distaste wash out of my mind before I see the movie.
VistraNorrez
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Iceman ignore it. I think it is more of a coincidence than anything. I mean I can't imagine any other way the Emperor would take over. It only seems natural.
Tortfeasor
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I decided to finally go ahead and buy tickets yesterday, and went online looking.
The theater of preference (AMC Downtown Chicago - the best theater in Chicago) had it showing on 18 screens at 12:01am on the 16th/17th but they were all sold out. I called the theater and spoke with someone who told me that some star wars clubs bought out all of the tickets for a majority of the theaters, including thier beiggest screen that has the digital display.
Panicing I started thinking about just seeing it during Thursday afternoon or just going to a different theater, but I remembered that a friend of a friend was into sci-fi conventions and such and gave her a call. It turns out that she is a part of one of the groups that bought out all of the tickets and I was able to snag 3 for the big theater at the 12:01am showing.
Life is now good.
The theater of preference (AMC Downtown Chicago - the best theater in Chicago) had it showing on 18 screens at 12:01am on the 16th/17th but they were all sold out. I called the theater and spoke with someone who told me that some star wars clubs bought out all of the tickets for a majority of the theaters, including thier beiggest screen that has the digital display.
Panicing I started thinking about just seeing it during Thursday afternoon or just going to a different theater, but I remembered that a friend of a friend was into sci-fi conventions and such and gave her a call. It turns out that she is a part of one of the groups that bought out all of the tickets and I was able to snag 3 for the big theater at the 12:01am showing.
Life is now good.
ManaByte
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Tortfeasor said:
We (the San Deigo Star Wars group) bought out the digital screen at the big Edwards down here. They weren't originally going to get a digital print, but we were able to convince them to ask LFL for one. It's going to be fun on the 18th as apparently some SDSU students are super pissed over it and I can't wait to see them dragged out of the theater by the cops because that manager doesn't take shit from anyone.
At ROTK they had a row of seats roped off for the OneRing.net people who were helping with the line. Well, when everyone got in the theater this tall fucktard decided he wanted to sit in that row and no one was going to stop him. So he started pushing people and pulling them out of their seat. The manager called the cops and had him dragged out of the theater.
I don't know how the people in Chicago are working it, but those screens they bought out may be because they will be re-selling the tickets (for like $10) and giving the money to charity so you may want to check around and see. I know we have like 150 tickets for one theater at the Edwards that will be for charity that night.
DrForester
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I had already heard the whole "one with the force to become the "flash blue Thing"
What i don't get is this. When Ep. 1 came out the "reasoning" why Qui Gon didn't disapear when killed was becasue he wasn't one with the force. If he was, then why didn't his body disapear.
What i don't get is this. When Ep. 1 came out the "reasoning" why Qui Gon didn't disapear when killed was becasue he wasn't one with the force. If he was, then why didn't his body disapear.
DrForester
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Iceman said:
Wait...
So does this mean Sadam Husein is Count Douku?
Bush Sr. Emperor?
Bush Jr. Anakin?
darkiguana
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ManaByte said:
Man, the music at the end of that trailer is so sad and tragic. Very good trailer even with such poor quality. Anybody have a better copy of this??
When was the last time a movie was advertised like this? Somehow the advertisement whoring just feels right for a major blockbuster. 7/11 and Darth Vader. Yoda and Pepsi.. I love it. And a full 2 weeks before release. Wow. This opening will be massive. People I've talked to who don't even care too much for star wars have even said "Yeah, I didn't like the first ones that much but this next one looks awesome".
All the prequels had serious advertsement whoring. The run of the special edition of the OT in the late 90's was far crazier than any of this, though, in terms of advertisement and promotional saturation. Walking into a grocery store almost felt like a visit to a Star Wars convention.
ManaByte
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Ristamar said:
Actually TPM had something like 10x the marketing than the Special Editions. AOTC was the lowest amount of marketing actually.
At the Hyperspace Comic Con breakfast, the head of Lucas Licensing said that with Phantom they had too much, and with Clones they had too little. Their target for Sith was somewhere in the middle.
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