Oh God, my school is drug testing

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LaserBuddha said:
1. Guy smokes weed sometimes
2. He is in nursing school
3. ?????
4. "HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE YOU WILLING TO HURT OR KILL TO GET YOUR FIX?!?"
5. Prophet!
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You have to admit that it's dumb that he's risking both his future career and thousands of dollars in nursing school just to get high...
 
All you can do is stop smoking, and hope the test isn't required within the next couple of weeks.
If it is, then fake pee or a friend's pee are the only way you're passing the test.
 
Razek said:
Not everyone can accomplish this. Depends on the individual.
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Yeah. That's why it's his problem and his fault and he won't be able to get a degree.
I mean this is fucling stupid, somebody could get drunk off his ass each weekend and go to work sober and get tested but god forbid you smoked a joint the other night; you'll get fired right away.
If you think this is right because weed is illegal you are just full of shit.
 
heh even in the Army you have to pop hot on a drug test twice before they can really mess with you. First time can be a false positive so you can challenge the result easy. Just stay clean for a few months and you'll be fine OP.
 
If you are a med student you should have at least some knowledge of flushing your system, and If you are a med student why are continuing to smoke? How could you have possibly thought that was a good idea.
 
It is what it is. I work on a service desk and I had to get hair tested when I was hired from contract. I though it was insane: it doesn't make sense to have a test that effectively regulates my actions and life away from work. I'm not a huge user but if it's the weekend and we are going to a show or having a party then hell yeah I think I have the right to get down. Being high on the job would make my work impossible so I wasn't happy they would force a test like that.

That being said, a good job was far more important than getting high so I dealt with it. Now I'm hired and they don't do random testing. It sounds like for your career random testing is a possibility. If that's the case, you have a decision to make.
 
JohnDoe said:
Yeah. That's why it's his problem and his fault and he won't be able to get a degree.
I mean this is fucling stupid, somebody could get drunk off his ass each weekend and go to work sober and get tested but god forbid you smoked a joint the other night; you'll get fired right away.
If you think this is right because weed is illegal you are just full of shit.
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No. It's because it most certainly has a chance of long term effect on smokers. There are plenty of former marijuana smokers on Gaf who can attest to this who now have lingering panic attacks and anxiety issues that formed during habitual smoking. Besides, there are plenty of studies relating to cannabis use and decrease in mental performance. Here is a scholarly study on the issue: http://www.neurology.org/content/59/9/1337.short
Results vary on usage, but again, not everyone's habits are the same.

Anyways, it doesn't matter if he ever wants to keep a stable job as a RN.
 
Though I would still disagree with it on principle, I can kind of understand it if they were specifically testing for opiates, but marijuana use seems almost remarkably incidental to if someone will abuse their access to prescription drugs.
 
LaserBuddha said:
The OP has smoked weed, and the school is now announcing what appears to be an unprecedented school-wide drug test. You painted a completely different picture in your post.

EDIT: Goddamn OP, you've been down this road before?
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There should be nothing unprecedented about it... it's the health field, they don't take kindly to illegal drug users and access to prescription medication. And it's well known they test for this in US health schools. Oh hilarious, this is the 2nd time it's occurred to OP, lol.
 
LaserBuddha said:
1. Guy smokes weed sometimes
2. He is in nursing school
3. ?????
4. "HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE YOU WILLING TO HURT OR KILL TO GET YOUR FIX?!?"
5. Prophet!
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wow, sure is 4chan in here.

Seriously, he does illicit drugs. He's potentially at risk for stealing medication, which could effect patients and the hospital.

He should've known what he was getting into going into a nursing school.
 
Earthstrike said:
Drugs have things known as addiction rates. Not everyone who smokes cigarettes wants them the way you do, however, a higher percentage of people who smoke feel that carving for cigarettes than they do for marijuana. Essentially, you're lack of craving for marijuana doesn't necessarily rule out addiction to marijuana. The science tends to show that weed has a much lower addiction rate.
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Someone above me said it better than i did. Cigarettes are physically addictive, Marijuana is not. Its as simple as that. Anyone claiming addiction to weed is talking out of their ass.
 
umop_3pisdn said:
Though I would still disagree with it on principle, I can kind of understand it if they were specifically testing for opiates, but marijuana use seems almost remarkably incidental to if someone will abuse their access to prescription drugs.
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What about a state with medical marijuana legal and a nurse stealing a patient's?
 
I don't know why my old thread is so amusing to some of you. I was worried about drug testing before I started nursing school (understandable, since I learned in that thread that it is common practice in many nursing schools), but the school told us we wouldn't be tested. However, since some hospitals have recently asked for their students to be drug tested, the Dean thought it would only be fair to drug test everyone. So now, probably in a few months, they will be dropping a drug test on us. I'll also have you know I already have a BA in philosophy with a 3.8GPA and going into my senior year of nursing (i am an accelerated student) with a 3.7GPA. So yea believe what you want about marijuana or "drugs" in general, but try not to be so god damn judgmental in the process
 
FelixOrion said:
wow, sure is 4chan in here.

Seriously, he does illicit drugs. He's potentially at risk for stealing medication, which could effect patients and the hospital.

He should've known what he was getting into going into a nursing school.
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By smoking weed hes now potentially a thief? Okay...

Thats stereotyping all smokers as drug addicted criminals. And thats ridiculous.
 
FelixOrion said:
wow, sure is 4chan in here.

Seriously, he does illicit drugs. He's potentially at risk for stealing medication, which could effect patients and the hospital.

He should've known what he was getting into going into a nursing school.
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Why don't you own up to the post I quoted instead of moving the goal posts?
 
Stet said:
Nursing students putting lives at risk?
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Being a senior in nursing school he should be partaking in clinicals at different hospitals by now, so he probably does work with patients. Not saying his drug use puts them at risk, just clarifying.
 
I don't see why drug testing should be done for doctors and nurses either. If you're smoking while you're on the job/on call it's one thing, but in your free time it has no bearing on your job performance whatsoever. Not to mention drinking alcohol isn't screened for while you're off the clock.

Being a senior in nursing school he should be partaking in clinicals at different hospitals by now, so he probably does work with patients.
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As long as its off the clock or when he's not on call why should we care?
 
The hospital has to protect itself and drug testing nurses is one important aspect of that. If you think there's something wrong with that, too bad.
 
nilbog21 said:
I am in nursing school! Testing everyone, which I think is kind of weird. I guess drug use among nurses is pretty common. This isn't a private school btw, and we have to pay 50$ for it !
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Diversion of narcotics is a surprisingly common issue in hospitals because healthcare workers have so much access to the drugs. If I was an addict I could easily get a bottle of morphine and no one would be the wiser. That's not to even mention the ketamine, diazepam, midazolam, phenobarbital and other assorted scheduled drugs we have just sitting around.

OP: Do what I always do when someone puts me in an uncomfortable situation. Pull down your pants, start peeing, and just walk straight towards them.
 
Okay, if you're in nursing school, you should have seen this coming. I work in education, so I know that at any point someone might ask me to pee in a cup, and while that's definitely unconstitutional, it doesn't SURPRISE me. It's not the reason I don't smoke, but it's a reason not to smoke.

You ALSO should have seen this coming because GAF told you it was coming.

Aaaanyway, do all the detox shit everyone recommends (I'm sure there are good tips out there on youtube or reddit or whatever, too), and then try to enjoy the slow poison of alcohol. If one day you have a calm workplace with job security (not super likely, but possible) then you can enjoy again, but for now you should try to get high on legal things. Or, I guess, things that leave your system quickly? I would avoid that, honestly.

(Are you sure they care about weed? I mean, they probably do. But I would guess that this test is prompted by "errors" in the pharmacy or something and that they're looking for a narc abuser.)
 
Stet said:
Testing for performance-enhancing drugs is fine, that's a caveat of being an athlete in general. If you're a nursing student, you have access to drugs, making you a risk to...?

If you're caught stealing drugs, you get kicked out and sent to jail. How about rather than sweeping drug testing, you just punish the people who commit crimes that affect your department? You're not the cops.
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I actually read about this the other day.

Health care fields are given the privilege to self govern for the most part. They decide who gets into the profession and who stays in. So, in a way, the profession as a whole has an obligation to police itself. Health care isn't something you leave at the door, you are constantly representing your profession and their status as self-governing is totally dependent of the behavior of the members. Even for people like dentists who are mostly in private practice, the community as a whole has an interest in what you're doing, if it's ethical, and if it's legal because we are all representing each other and all working towards a common goal, and anyone who has different priorities should start thinking about if they are in the right place.

Not sure if that's how it goes for nurses, but that's how it was presented to me.
 
nilbog21 said:
I don't know why my old thread is so amusing to some of you. I was worried about drug testing before I started nursing school (understandable, since In that thread that it is common practice in many nursing schools), but the school told us we wouldn't be tested. However, since some hospitals have recently asked for their students to be drug tested, the Dean thought it would only be fair to drug test everyone. So now, probably in a few months, they will be dropping a drug test on us. I'll also have you know I already have a BA in philosophy with a 3.8GPA and going into my senior year of nursing (i am an accelerated studenet) with a 3.7GPA. So yea believe what you want about marijuana or "drugs" in general, but try not to be so god damn judgmental in the process
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I guess the point is... what did you expect to happen even assuming you became a licensed nurse? Any hospital or doctor's office that hired you would drug test you anyway. And if you were planning on quitting the weed anyway after school I don't see the problem, quit now. If you weren't planning to use the license or were planning on gambling with it to avoid drug tests then you're just an idiot. Either way you don't really deserve much sympathy.
 
metalslimer said:
I don't see why drug testing should be done for doctors and nurses either. If you're smoking while you're on the job/on call it's one thing, but in your free time it has no bearing on your job performance whatsoever. Not to mention drinking alcohol isn't screened for while you're off the clock.



As long as its off the clock or when he's not on call why should we care?
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I believe if something goes wrong and the nurse is found with illegal drugs in their system, the hospital could, in some cases, become liable. Thus, they don't tolerate it.
 
metalslimer said:
I don't see why drug testing should be done for doctors and nurses either. If you're smoking while you're on the job/on call it's one thing, but in your free time it has no bearing on your job performance whatsoever. Not to mention drinking alcohol isn't screened for while you're off the clock.
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Alcohol may not be screened for, but you better believe you'd have your ass fired and be put in front of the board if you came to work drunk. Even getting a DUI while in med/nursing school can put your education and job at risk.

It's just really not worth using any illegal substances while in a health profession because of the high standards set and the frequent drug testing done.
 
metalslimer said:
As long as its off the clock or when he's not on call why should we care?
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People are on a one track mind here, jesus. I was responding to a guy that didn't think the OP would have patients, hence the "putting patients at risk" line. So I was correcting him that in fact there is a high chance the OP does have patients. I don't give two shits about the drug stuff when saying he might have patients.
 
Gaborn said:
What about a state with medical marijuana legal and a nurse stealing a patient's?
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It still seems relatively unlikely, though sure it's possible. But marijuana is practically ubiquitous, and the temptation an individual experiences should be much less considering that chemical dependency isn't an issue as it is with opiates. And with how heavily opiates are regulated it seems like there's more potential to cause suffering.
 
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