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Is Joakim Mogren CG?

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Kojima: *laughs*

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"Joakim" is an anagram for "Kojima".

/The end.
 
There are many things about The Phantom Pain worth speculating on. Whether or not this guy is CG isn't one of them. He's real.
 
You guys are missing something here. This isn't real life, we're operating in Kojima land. Occam's razor does not apply here. The fox engine comments and Kojima suggestions long history of tricks make it very possible that this guy is CG. So just assuming he's real because he looks real won't work.

Kojima is using multiple layers of misdirection with the mask, the fake company, the obviously fake accidental fox engine reveal. Geoff is obviously in on this. But he could be going the extra step and ACTUALLY tricking us after luring us into a false sense of security, and making us think that we guessed all the secrets already.

We know the guy is a fake dev. There's enough evidence that this guy might possibly be a fake person that the possibility shouldn't be ruled out. I need scissors. 61.
 
I will also concede to the possibility that if the guy wasn't CG in the interview, they're planning on making him appear as well-disguised CG in a future interview, maybe at GDC.
 
Holy shit at this theory. It kind of makes sense too. The guy's movements aren't quite right and he looks exactly like a character from the PP trailer. On top of that, Kojima has shown several tech demos for the Fox Engine that were almost indistinguishable from the real thing and his GDC presentation is on photorealism in the Fox Engine.

Going even deeper, photorealism in games could be the white whale that Moby Dick Studios represents.

I want to believe. I don't but I want to.
 
Did any of the people beliving the ridicilous claim that Joakim Mogren is cgi ever stop to think about "why?". What on earth would be the point in having a cgi character in a random small interview like this? And mind you cgi is not the same as in engine.
I'm just relived to find out there are actually some level headed people on neogaf who don't see cgi evidence all over.
 
"Mogren" really does move somewhat strange, but it could be part of an act, maybe it's supposed to represent that he's still suffering from some kind of trauma (hence the bandages). Either, I don't know what to think anymore.
 
Tenrius said:
"Mogren" really does move somewhat strange, but it could be part of an act, maybe it's supposed to represent that he's still suffering from some kind of trauma (hence the bandages). Either, I don't know what to think anymore.
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Or maybe he's doing a shoddily scripted interview while wearing uncomfortable bandages on his face and having to fake an accent.

Also while being CG.
 
His eyes look too white, if he was a real video game developer they'd be a bit red from a life of looking at screens.

If he's real I hope he knows about this thread.
 
Tenrius said:
"Mogren" really does move somewhat strange, but it could be part of an act, maybe it's supposed to represent that he's still suffering from some kind of trauma (hence the bandages). Either, I don't know what to think anymore.
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Yeah his face seems to kind of be twitching in a gamey kind of way, but hard to know for sure...
 
Santar said:
Did any of the people beliving the ridicilous claim that Joakim Mogren is cgi ever stop to think about "why?". What on earth would be the point in having a cgi character in a random small interview like this? And mind you cgi is not the same as in engine.
I'm just relived to find out there are actually some level headed people on neogaf who don't see cgi evidence all over.
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Marketing. Kojima has done crazy shit before. Read my post further up.
 
Giantbomb should make a special Cgicast discussing this very topic, would be glorious!
Somebody should tip them for Unprofessional Fridays.
 
Spiffy_1st said:
His eyes look too white, if he was a real video game developer they'd be a bit red from a life of looking at screens.

If he's real I hope he knows about this thread.
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No, obviously this will all lead to an AI reveal for foxengine. None of this was scripted, yet the AI answered perfectly.
And then the AI will read this thread and laugh.
 
Beermeister said:
Kojima: *laughs*

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"Joakim" is an anagram for "Kojima".

/The end.
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Yeah, I mean... C'mon, Gaf...

"No, no! The guy whose name is an anagram of Kojima that is working on a Kojima game is totally real!"

And to anyone that thinks CG can't do that, please re-visit the tech demos thread to see the amount of stuff that can be done, even in real-time (and we're not even saying this case is real-time CG), when all you need to output is a single face with no AI, no other entities, no world around it etc.

You wanna debate if this guy is an actor or CG, okay, but to claim it's impossible to make is ludicrous. Think of CG as a different kind of painting, the artist can make it as real as he wants, it just depends on how much effort he's willing to put into the details (yes CG has hardware limitations, but again, there's much fewer in non-real-time or closed environment scenarios)
 
Santar said:
Did any of the people beliving the ridicilous claim that Joakim Mogren is cgi ever stop to think about "why?". What on earth would be the point in having a cgi character in a random small interview like this? And mind you cgi is not the same as in engine.
I'm just relived to find out there are actually some level headed people on neogaf who don't see cgi evidence all over.
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What if it was pre-rendered with the engine?

And as for the "why" question: see all that talk about the Fox Engine and photorealism. And as far as the purpose of all of this goes, this being a tech demo would make far more sense because the interview itself was pretty much ... nothing.

I'm still not completely on board but I wouldn't rule out the possibilty of this being CG.
 
Santar said:
Did any of the people beliving the ridicilous claim that Joakim Mogren is cgi ever stop to think about "why?". What on earth would be the point in having a cgi character in a random small interview like this? And mind you cgi is not the same as in engine.
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Because they are trying to flog off their new engine to other developers

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If this is CGI/Fox engine, it shits all over Quantic Dream's upcoming tech.
 
Graffgor said:
Just saying, I look at Joakim and I feel like I'm watching this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYgLFt5wfP4
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The uncanny valley was made up by some dude with absolutely no scientific basis. It isn't real.

In fact, if the dude is really CG, it'd be good evidence AGAINST the uncanny valley, considering so many people are refusing to accept that he's real.

I think the uncanny valley bullshit has set us back about 10 years after the FF movie fiasco, so I'm kinda bitter. =<
 
read the link to the 'mgs4 trailer is actually an allegory for the console war thread'. Thank you..... made my friday.

These things crack me up.
 
Charoncaori said:
The uncanny valley was made up by some dude with absolutely no scientific basis. It isn't real.
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Ah, but I'm not thinking of it in scientific terms.

I definitely get an obscure feeling when looking at something that is 99% real, but missing those miniscule details that only my brain notices.
 
Dantard said:
Yeah, I mean... C'mon, Gaf...

"No, no! The guy whose name is an anagram of Kojima that is working on a Kojima game is totally real!"
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Yes. That's exactly what the people mean when the topic of discussion is whether or not he is CG or real and is rendered using the FOX Engine that can't even do the Kojima offices life-like.

Everyone means the person Joakim Mogren is an actual person and is head of developer Moby Dick Studios which is not recognized as a company in Sweden.

Wow you're daft.
 
Graffgor said:
Ah, but I'm not thinking of it in scientific terms.

I definitely get an obscure feeling when looking at something that is 99% real, but missing those miniscule details that only my brain notices.
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That's because the uncanny valley is real. Even watching that Emily video my brain is screaming at me to kill it (and was the first time I saw it).
 
Graffgor said:
Ah, but I'm not thinking of it in scientific terms.

I definitely get an obscure feeling when looking at something that is 99% real, but missing those miniscule details that only my brain notices.
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marrec said:
That's because the uncanny valley is real. Even watching that Emily video my brain is screaming at me to kill it (and was the first time I saw it).
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But it's not real. It's a psychological thing that takes over. If you're in a situation where you recognize that a character is CG, you're going to be subconsciously looking for things wrong with it. If you were told that a real person was CG, you'd do the same thing.

The zombie/wire frame comparisons just make you feel creeped out because they're a type of body horror.
 
Toma said:
No, obviously this will all lead to an AI reveal for foxengine. None of this was scripted, yet the AI answered perfectly.
And then the AI will read this thread and laugh.
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JM is an updated version of GW and will use this thread in the in-game plot as an example of why information needs to be censored on the Internet, give people freedom and they start to go insane.

People that play the game will think "no way would people get confused between a real person and cgi, Kojima has gone too far this time", then they'll google it and find out it's true.
 
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