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|OT| French Presidential Elect 2017 - La France est toujours insoumise; Le Pen loses
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Sgt. Kabukiman
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The FN isn't going to win. So yes, it's good. Could be better, but it's good.
You guys are aware that this is a two-rounds election, right? She's not even leading, she has no realistic chances of winning the election.
I could be more pleased with the result too, but it's not doom and gloom at all.
Blackquill
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This gotta be a fucking joke, one candidat that is basically François Hollande but worse and another one that is just a Nazi in disguise.
Fuck this shit seriously.
It is also shit, come on
Fuck this shit seriously.
It is also shit, come on
I love Poutou's face
Melenchon's voters will hopefully vote Macron over LePen, and Fillon's will probably split. Hamon's will go for Macron.
I doubt Melenchon will tell his base to vote LePen (that would be nuts)
Man, I hope this stupidity will finally put to rest after the second round. As if Austria (where extreme right is much more popular than in France) and Belgium haven't already shown that continental Europe is a different thing that US. Not to even talk about how Clinton would have won under the French electoral system.
The best possible outcome would have been Macron - Fillon to be fair. But yeah it's the second best possible outcome.
Red Arremer
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Some of Fillon's voters probably are going to flock to Le Pen, but I think that Macron is going to pull ahead significantly since he'll get most of the remaining supporters.
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Good man. You make rational decisions.
GalacticSushiman
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No, it was crazy this year, they got +30% voters in like the last months, and they canceled e-voting which is huge deal here... It usually takes 40mins to an hour max to vote, this was crazy.
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And, please guys, let's just vote Macron, the choice is simple.
No the election is over it will be 2002 again
Ether_Snake
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Her worst dad made it to 2nd before so it's not new and really not surprising, was more surprising back in 2002.
Mass_Pincup
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At least it's not Fillon-Le Pen right?
I'm so disappointed, Mélenchon was so close...
I'm so disappointed, Mélenchon was so close...
Fillon doesn't care about the EU, though - he seems totally ambivalent. At least Macron campaigned on further integration. Fillon likes the status quo, which *is* unsustainable.
RPGCrazied
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I knew who Le Pen was. I want anyone but her to win. She was visiting Putin, Putin donated to her campaign. When does the runoff vote start? I swear if she wins this world is fucked.
"Tu connais l'UPR, ce petit parti qui monte malgré le silence des médias ?"
Souldriver
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Okay. Is this a done deal?
Because I'm terrified of saying those numbers are final, given how close they are and they're just estimates now.
Knowing how in the end results can vary from the initial numbers (in Holland the PVV gained still two seats, in the US the Republicans always gain on Democrats because of early voting vs on-day voting, in brexit seemed to be dismissed at the beginning of the evening when results came in,...), can I rest assured it's Macron (vs Le Pen)?
Because I'm terrified of saying those numbers are final, given how close they are and they're just estimates now.
Knowing how in the end results can vary from the initial numbers (in Holland the PVV gained still two seats, in the US the Republicans always gain on Democrats because of early voting vs on-day voting, in brexit seemed to be dismissed at the beginning of the evening when results came in,...), can I rest assured it's Macron (vs Le Pen)?
e-voting was never planned for the presidential elections, it was only planned for the legislatives.
And yes, the choice is as simple as it gets.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Also, the polls were basically spot on.
F0rneus
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Yeah but she's tied with Macron at 23%. That's way more support than she deserves. She shouldn't even make it into the 2nd round.
Some Melenchon voters will go Le Pen as well, especially due to the anti-EU angle, since the election will truly take the angle of pro-EU vs anti-EU. Fillon's voters will split in three, with the social conservatives staying home, the more nationalist leaning supporters going Le Pen and the Economic liberals going Macron.
I'll take boring over "nerve racking" or "nightmarish". This isn't meant to be entertainment.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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Next round is in two weeks. It's extremely unlikely that she'll win against Macron.
Blackquill
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Obviously, people should vote for Macron because Le Pen is trash but I'm fucking pissed off by that man
Garrett Hawke
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I hope this is good news. centrism will always be better than far right.
Im seeing 23.7 Vs 21.7 personally, not tied at 23.
Hamon was the best candidate and he got dumpstered. Out of the top 4, Macron was the best choice. I would have preferred someone more left wing but Melenchon is a little too wacky for me.
EDIT: I'm also surprised to see so many people bummed out on the other page. I guess there were more Melenchon voters on GAF than I thought.
Macron is the luckiest guy in France... Honestly, everything happened to put him on track.
But I'm happy for something else:
Will they stop with this primary elections nonsense now? Both candidates from primaries are out, one being only at 6%. It's just an awful system in the fifth republic...
But I'm happy for something else:
Will they stop with this primary elections nonsense now? Both candidates from primaries are out, one being only at 6%. It's just an awful system in the fifth republic...
That fucking US election being nothing but a carousel ride probably handed Trump the victory. Fucking trash media.
Mass_Pincup
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There's 2 estimates, Ipsos says 23,7 vs 21 and Sofres 23 vs 23.
Macron will have an easy victory so I'll vote in two weeks but it will be a vote blanc.
Explained a few posts ago why, it's not about his stance or politics but what happened behind the scenes which sets a very dangerous precedent from à political point of view.
If that's how politic is going to be done in France now that's à very sad state
Low score for Hamon too :"(
Explained a few posts ago why, it's not about his stance or politics but what happened behind the scenes which sets a very dangerous precedent from à political point of view.
If that's how politic is going to be done in France now that's à very sad state
Low score for Hamon too :"(
RPGCrazied
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Le Pen wanted to ban the hijab and close all mosques. Just ugh. I'm sure she has said some more horrible things, but I don't live in France.
F0rneus
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So, in the end, it's gonna be a "right vs far-right" duel.
Macron will be our president for the next fifteen years 
Please guys, don't fuck this up. Brexit and Trump are already tiring.
There was a poll a few days back on here that said Le Pen was the last choice for Mélenchon voters, so not really.
The anti-EU stuff is way overblown, i imagine most Mélenchon voters don't want to leave the EU either.
I haven't followed the election enough to make an informed opinion, but I feel like this isn't a good match up. It seems similar to the US race where both sides are polar opposites. MLP has an opportunity to gain as many votes as possible playing to her strengths against Macron compared to Fillon and Melenchon who could've siphoned away votes on parts of her platform. And how the Fillon and Melechon voters split between the final two candidates should be concerning.
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