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|OT| French Presidential Elect 2017 - La France est toujours insoumise; Le Pen loses
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whyamihere
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Gah, Hamon would've been so good but it was a nonstarter.
Souldriver
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That just made me a little hard.
A liberal from France and a social democrat from Germany as the European tandem.
One can only hope.
The best outcom of this election.
Yes, ever since they kicked father LePen out of the party.
Blackquill
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Please don't take that risk dude
Garrett Hawke
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Ah ok. Reading her Wikipedia it says that she broke from party line on gay marriage and a few other things.
Sorry, by "recent" I meant like in the past few years.
Ether_Snake
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If Macron wins, the pragmatic thing to do would be to make sure to take policies that will draw the left's support without alienating center-right voters. He has to take a real centrist stand, and at the same time appear tough on security. Otherwise, FN will be in the second round again in a few years. Losing gives them the chance to still appear as an untested solution if things don't turn around.
If Macron disappoints the left even more than they have been, it will lead the left further left (as seen by JLM's numbers) as they will refuse to vote right again just to keep the FN out, which would likely lead to a JLM vs LP battle and a likely chance for the FN to win.
If Macron disappoints the left even more than they have been, it will lead the left further left (as seen by JLM's numbers) as they will refuse to vote right again just to keep the FN out, which would likely lead to a JLM vs LP battle and a likely chance for the FN to win.
Oh definitely. I'm assuming a Macron-Merkel axis for the time being, but Macron-Schulz works just as well, and saves Europe from Merkel's austerity push. Germany doesn't really seem to have any chance of falling to the crazies. Either side is fairly reasonable there, at least for the big stuff. But the idea of them losing a strong French partner was terrifying.
KonradLaw
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No worries man, sorry if I sounded harsh. I wasn't chastising you, just making a general comment.
As for your second comment: I doubt any other issues wouldn't make more MLP voters next time. Plus I think it's foolish to think 5 years ahead of time. It was hard enough to predict this election, let alone the next one.
2002 was a fluke because of a split in the left. Jean-Marie Le Pen had 16.86% of the vote whilst the Socialists had 16.18% of the vote. The real rise in FN is recent, and is due to a number of reasons, namely growing dissatisfaction in the traditional parties, refugee crisis, terrorism, economic downturn etc.
And FN has become slightly more mainstream. Ditching Jean-Marie and the anti-Semitism/holocaust denial had an effect.
Surge recently? She was over 30% not that long ago, and everyone expected her to come first, not second.
And that's with a climate of terrorism and immigrants that should help her...
RPGCrazied
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Where you going? Not much better out there but maybe Germany or Canada.
Garrett Hawke
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Sorry I edited it now, by recent I meant "last few years".
Sgt. Kabukiman
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The LR are going to destroy Fillon for not quitting when the Canard killed his momentum.
This was their election to lose.
Yeah, if anyone here is thinking of abstaining/voting blank, let me tell you this:
1) If you think they're both equally awful: you can't possibly this foolish
2) If you think Macron has this locked and MLP can't possibly become president, let me remind you: "Trump can't possibly win".
Please vote for him. Whatever he is, he will always be preferable to Le Pen.
1) If you think they're both equally awful: you can't possibly this foolish
2) If you think Macron has this locked and MLP can't possibly become president, let me remind you: "Trump can't possibly win".
Please vote for him. Whatever he is, he will always be preferable to Le Pen.
Garrett Hawke
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A BoB tea
Well marine lepen is at the 2nd turn because holland was a weak president, because of the terrorism
And i think too that like for the us russia is behind the surge of lepen and melenchon
Red Arremer
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Of course. They also would directly profit from the EU dissolving - instead of having to deal with EU regulations if they wanted to get into the EU market, they could make bilateral deals with each country separately. EU has immense economic power behind it, and the UK government is intimidated because they're caught between a rock and a hard place, having to pull through with Brexit even though they really don't want to and know that breaking off with the EU is dumb.
Social democrats in Europe have been rotting in their life support state because they just were secure in the establishment. Recent years have shown however that the voters stop supporting bloated parties if they are dissatisfied. FPD and SPD got punished very hard by the voters. SPD also didn't have a face that was particularly rousing to the public, but Schulz has potential to actually get support.
All over. All of the left will switch to Macaroon. A lot of the centre right will too. Just not enough potential votes for FN. Don't be too smug though, some bridge building will be needed as an awful lot of disenfranchised poor rural working voters were seduced by FN.
Not sure where you are getting that from. Other than Murdoch owned outlets and the Daily Mail everyone else hates FN. BBC, Guardian, Indie, etc. Even the hated Tories refuse to engage with FN at all, they are just too toxic.
Other than the EU getting a headache, a FN win would have been bad for everyone.
They don't and the media didn't leave anything.
Not sure where you are getting that from. Other than Murdoch owned outlets and the Daily Mail everyone else hates FN. BBC, Guardian, Indie, etc. Even the hated Tories refuse to engage with FN at all, they are just too toxic.
Other than the EU getting a headache, a FN win would have been bad for everyone.
They don't and the media didn't leave anything.
RPGCrazied
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These people are out there, even Trump supporters lurk and post here sometimes. I just try to ignore and move on.
Reading r/france and seeing people say they're abstaining because Melenchon lost - ugh.
Also I just realized, Fillon won't get immunity
Mélenchon has been compared to Bernie a lot. I don't think that's super accurate, but there are definitely a lot of parallels, especially when it comes to the Bros and BoBs for Bernie and the insoumis for Mélenchon.
Pizza con salsiccia
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Japan, which is pretty fucked up, but at least I will be far from French politics in mind and body.
And this year wasn't split with Fillon and to some extend Macron on the right (especially with Fillon's affairs), and Mélanchon / Hamon on the left?
1) is already bad enough and just shows how utterly naive or just dumb some people are, but
2) I really, really don't get. Like what's the logic behind that? How could anyone think that makes any sense? Especially in this election between a centrist that will most likely start some hurtful but necessary reforms and French Trump.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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Looking forward to Fillon's speech
Why did you post a picture of Jospin?
To people on the left hoping for a Macron win but still voting blank on round 2: you have already cast you "ideal candidate" vote. The next round is not about where your heart lies, it's what you prefer out of the two given options. You are not betraying your values by voting Macron. Please consider this.
jack_package_200
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ErasureAcer
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Bernie Bros are as rampant as Unicorns. But keep pushing the myth.
Blackquill
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There was a split in FN too. Add Megret, and you get more than 19.2%.
There's not that much a difference between 19.2 and ~21, and there was 16 candidates, not 11.
Though we won't see a 83-17 at second turn this time.
whyamihere
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Based on the polling, Macron would win over the majority of voters of every major eliminated candidate, but Melenchon would have the most abstentions, which I guess is to be expected.
I'm sure they're smarter than that.
Also lmfao at r/t_D livethread, people accusing Obama of rigging the French election. A black president broke their minds.
RPGCrazied
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I ask Trumpers every day and still don't have a clue.
...do any of them?
ErasureAcer
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Macron should throw them a bone first if he has any political tact.
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