Once again it was proven that BGBW is the best AnimeGAF poster.
Otaku USA: As Geek Culture Assimilates, Otaku Remain Outcasts
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Once again it was proven that BGBW is the best AnimeGAF poster.
lmao, never expected to see Sakura media referenced on gaf and detailed so accurately.
MetroidPrimeRib
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I didn't mean it was hilarious that he completely missed the point, more that it was funny that the joke from the thread got brought up outside of it.
There hasn't been a new volume. It's 9 chapters per volume, only 8 chapters have been released since the last volume came out. A new chapter came out last month, if a chapter comes out this month a new volume will be coming out finally. Last volume was 37. But my argument is just about how Berserk is a poor example to use of long-running manga that never finish because it's long-running because of the inconsistent release schedule. When you consider that Araki is through 7 Jojo's parts in roughly the same amount of time and is almost at the halfway point in the current one it makes Berserk's release schedule kind of look like a joke.
Toei is a really bad example because they're scheduling is extremely poor because they work on too many shows at once and don't have many talented animators left because most of the good ones left.
KirbYuuYuu
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I mean, I don't know what you'd expect when the season didn't really give us anything worthwhile to highlight.
Trojita
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I'd like Japan to just finally adopt 5.1 audio. I think the only anime recently with native 5.1 was Shingeki no Bahamut. It is jarring going from a 2.0 sub on blu-ray to a 5.1 dub.
Considering many of the anime in the OP are actually good, I see nothing wrong with that. BGBW listed most of the top airing shows, it's not like he listed bad shows. The only joke was the GAF-chan thing.
While it's not the glory days of the '90s (which let's face it, was actually outsourced to places like Korea at the time), I'd still say it's better than anime. I'll take tweening over a rushed anime honestly.
That, and animating natively in HD. It's astounding how many anime are rendered in SD and upscaled - even shows like Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood were animated and rendered in like 576p or somethinf ridiculous like that.
dr3upmushroom
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But anime is the only proper way to tell compelling, mature and thought provoking stories. Not surprised the brain-dead masses are incapable of appreciating this noble art.
Oh yeah, I just realized I miscounted. For some reason, I thought chapter 333 was part of volume 38. At least is still nice knowing we'll get a volume complete this week.
KuwabaraTheMan
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You know that Brotherhood is seven years old, right?
The good stuff is still outsourced. Legend of Korra was, Gravity Falls also is. Both have a much higher budget than your average TV anime you notice it.
Trojita
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That OT is mostly joking about how crappy the selection of anime is this season. It's anime fans making fun of the state of the genre, which is just what we are talking about in here. I agree as a community thread it probably shouldn't be the OT since we want to be inclusive. Most communities here are probably pretty insular even when non intended.
Joke OT's have been a thing for awhile. Dragon Age II |OT| Return of Shit Mountain is legendary.
Joke OT's have been a thing for awhile. Dragon Age II |OT| Return of Shit Mountain is legendary.
"Though there aren't many this time around, here is a list of current shows for this season that are generally worth watching. In the meantime, here are stuff from prior seasons that are worth catching up on if you missed them."
IIRC when Stump posted the community thread history statistics in August, he interpreted the numbers as showing a healthy mix of core posters and new posters.
You hit the nail on the head, or fairly close to it.
My experience with the anime and otaku community went as such:
"oh hey, DBZ , Gundam, and Rurouni Kenshin are neat Cartoon Network animes! I should check out more of this genre! I'll go ask the community for pointe-"
"FUCK YOU FUCKING DUB WATCHER SUBS ONLY BAKA-SAN"
"I just want some tips as to-"
"ONLY MY PET ANIME IS REAL ANIME. FUCK YOU AND YOUR WESTERN BAKA SHIT"
Constant tearing down.
Constant complaints about animes being localized.
Constant pirating of the content, then wondering why something doesn't get localized.
I knew a guy that would write death threats to Western anime companies for localizing YYH for Cartoon Network, which was his particular pet anime from glorious Nippon. He would also brag that he spoke so much Japanese that his native English was now hard to talk with. He would insist that every English version of an anime's name be pronounced as if a Japanese speaker was saying it. No, I'm not shitting you. I could write a fucking book on that guy.
The anime community is and was a bunch of people that actually fucking believe they're persecuted. Like it's a lifestyle, not a genre they like, and it's a common thread amongst many of the their forums. You either accept anime in it's entirety, or you're oppressing and persecuting them. They're one of the cliquest communities out there and will often run in-jokes and mock you for not getting them.
Add on the lack of rejection of moe and other creepy shit, and the fact that many popular western anime and manga drawers actively drew moe and worse shit as commissions and nobody called them out on it, because they were more often than not the consumers of that content, and it was fairly easy to completely drop anime back in like 2002 and never look back. The community is creepy, the producers of the content are creepy, it has a weird Japan nationalist fetishization tied up into it and the social acuity of most of it it's participants are worse than the average middle schooler.
We've still got people running around on this goddamn forum with barely dressed children as their avatars. That's a regular fucking Tuesday for the anime community. After staring face first into the gaping maw of ignorance that was that, I fully understand the anime avatar rule.
aren't the original posts in most community OTs idiotic in-group jokes. hell, the thread titles certainly are.
weird that you're just finding out?
Trojita
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Figure-GAF already joined your club.
Messofanego
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If you had me saying "videogames are our only salvation from the horror of existence", you'd have a gotcha point. You do know I'm criticising that kind of escapism sentiment and sticking up for anime fans (which I happen to be one if you can't tell from my Satoshi Kon/Ghibli/Flowers of Evil/GITS/Ping Pong loving ass) than shitting on them from some height.
what's the difference?
The shows that might be worth checking out are literally highlighted in the list of shows and where to watch them.
There's a definite contrast between the term in Japan and in the West. It's a derogatory term in Japan, intended to judge people who are into uncommon hobbies. The term is used in the west to mean anyone who watches anime or reads manga.
The west in general has a pretty misinformed interpretation of anime in Japan. Otaku into ecchi and fanservice are ostracized in Japan as being weirdos just as they are in the west. Ecchi shows aren't exactly mainstream. The Mainstream shows are mostly shounen. Also K-on isn't ecchi, that show aired on Disney channel at one point.
Trojita
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lol
KirbYuuYuu
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Did you miss the part where it was a joke?
Every thread contains a list of shows of each season, only recycling a list if we have a new thread for the same season (ie: Winter 2014 1, 2).
Anime of the Year threads are probably more suited for the "Here's what you should watch", and that list contains votes from people whether they're in a community or not.
hosannainexcelsis
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The whole BGBW thing isn't even an "in-joke"; it's just one poster with a peculiar, very British sense of dry humor. His posting is consistent with his unique personality, one which is not imitated by others.
As for the insularity of the AnimeGAF community, I've been posting there for a number of years now and the continual churn in members that goes on there is incredible. Most of the most active posters there now were not around a year ago.
As for the insularity of the AnimeGAF community, I've been posting there for a number of years now and the continual churn in members that goes on there is incredible. Most of the most active posters there now were not around a year ago.
Yeah I do, it's just that anime hasn't changed much since then - production-wise, not talking about visual trends. It's still rare to find anime natively produced in HD. The budgets to do so aren't there.
Interesting Topic. A few things I want to touch on
1. KLK was popular due to its staff moreso than it's fanservice. People were hype for Trigger's first series. That was the main appeal.
2. I think the whole idea of Otaku is going to make you an outcast. Just like being a "true" nerd will. Yeah super hero, D&D, Star Trek and whatnot are popular now...but reading comics, actually playing D&D, being a Trekkie...are not.
3. Anime/Manga has the whole cultural thing to get over. Western and Eastern values are very different and Eastern works are often soaked in it. The series that do make the jump aren't as soaked in it. Bebop is the obvious choice...but things like Trigun also are more universal. Vash's perversion aside of course. Its also why the FMA series did as well. DBZ did well too but DBZ and not DB. DB is often perverted as fuck and is more humor based...that didn't translate as well. DBZ cut down on a lot of that for more pure action.
4. Hollywood played a major role in Comics becoming more accepted. Anime/Manga adaptations are harder tho. Partially because of how "weird" they are. Marvel has retconned or ignored most of it's obtuse things in their adaptations. DB:Evolution tried that and suffered for it. Goku can't look like Goku without it looking stupid in Live Action. The yelling for powering up, the shouting move names is silly in live action. It doesnt translate as easy and changing it alienates the fanbase. That happens w/ Marvel somewhat but the changes are minor. Turning Goku into Greg and never having him say Kamehameha is too much change.
1. KLK was popular due to its staff moreso than it's fanservice. People were hype for Trigger's first series. That was the main appeal.
2. I think the whole idea of Otaku is going to make you an outcast. Just like being a "true" nerd will. Yeah super hero, D&D, Star Trek and whatnot are popular now...but reading comics, actually playing D&D, being a Trekkie...are not.
3. Anime/Manga has the whole cultural thing to get over. Western and Eastern values are very different and Eastern works are often soaked in it. The series that do make the jump aren't as soaked in it. Bebop is the obvious choice...but things like Trigun also are more universal. Vash's perversion aside of course. Its also why the FMA series did as well. DBZ did well too but DBZ and not DB. DB is often perverted as fuck and is more humor based...that didn't translate as well. DBZ cut down on a lot of that for more pure action.
4. Hollywood played a major role in Comics becoming more accepted. Anime/Manga adaptations are harder tho. Partially because of how "weird" they are. Marvel has retconned or ignored most of it's obtuse things in their adaptations. DB:Evolution tried that and suffered for it. Goku can't look like Goku without it looking stupid in Live Action. The yelling for powering up, the shouting move names is silly in live action. It doesnt translate as easy and changing it alienates the fanbase. That happens w/ Marvel somewhat but the changes are minor. Turning Goku into Greg and never having him say Kamehameha is too much change.
WickedLaharl
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Alright, show me something that airs on American TV that looks as good as these three clips.
http://sakuga.yshi.org/data/fad6ba7b01d1c3de3dd5bc71aec07d27.mp4
http://sakuga.yshi.org/data/06450a5fcea7269d3aba464f75388ede.mp4
http://sakuga.yshi.org/data/14594ed59239417445d6e83fabedb3e2.mp4
No, I totally get what you're saying. This is all getting into semantics and personal definitions at this point, but I wouldn't consider someone who enjoyed DBZ or X show who then went on to find other similar shows an otaku. I would consider someone who nearly exclusively consumes Japanese culture (and is not Japanese) to be otaku.
I mean, hell, I would imagine the majority of people on this forum went through some sort of anime phase. And there's nothing wrong with exploring different cultures or fandoms or media. I just don't think most of us went, "I reject my American upbringing. You may now call me potam-san."
Yeah, plenty of new people have hopped in. I don't really post much about what I watch (since I watch stuff inconsistently and by the time I get around back to the computer whatever thoughts I had about the episode when I watched it aren't really my priority) but I still engage in conversation and will chime in on people asking about things and the like.
Cornbread also hosts let's watches of lesser known shows that are easily legally watchable (On Crunchyroll, Hulu, Daisuki, etc.) and lets people vote for that stuff. They also specifically avoid shows where the focus is of a sexual nature. They're watching Kids on the Slope right now, and there's still 6 days left if anybody wants to participate.
Yeah, but it's not like The Super Mario Super Show 80s/90s outsourced. If you know what I mean. lmao.
Subpar Spatula
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Gaming has never been this graphic about how sexual it is. Anime has genres for this garbage and it's common knowledge among those who regularly watch anime. One of the bigger problems is the defense of these genres.
I'm really sorry dude, I know that was uncalled for and I take it back. That's what I get for not putting an ounce of thought after reading your post.
oh shit, I never realized Figure-GAF was retcon from GAF existence until just now.
Barely dressed children?
CreeperBlocks
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Monster will save Anime and Del Toro.
It's hard to miss when it's been frequently repeated.
Not to mention, it's a reasonable answer to the question asked ("what did you expect?"), regardless of whether or not it was a joke.
MetroidPrimeRib
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There are a ton of people who massively dislike those genres though? It's not like a mass condemnation by a few people is going to have any effect on people across the sea who speak a different language.
Pretty much every single community thread has ridiculous injokes. Check the nflgaf theeads sometimes. The sarcasm is dripping like melted butter.
Subpar Spatula
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Anime shops and booths at conventions sell these genres. This isn't some niche shit. It's out there and out front.
phoenix296
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BGBW brand humour? Not sure what you find so abhorrent about that OP.
KirbYuuYuu
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6bvpB0UaDw
Have a sample of some highlight animation appearing in anime that debuted or were airing on TV for the month of October alone not everything here is TV animation, but much of it is.
Are you not aware that there is an entire genre of porn games?
if he said "barely dressed 1000 year old dragons" would you understand?
Most of the good animation in Korra was done in Japan and Korea. It was done by Studio Pierrot and Mir.
MetroidPrimeRib
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I have no control over what the people running those shops sell. And it is rather niche, amongst a niche market.
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