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[CyanideFuse]

I have never seen so many pointless frivolous complaints against a game before Overwatch. What is it about this game that is doing this?

Popular and is being praised?

 

[MMaRsu]

Yeah maybe try playing the game beford you go off on a tangent about something you have zeeo clue on.

But keep the fire burning Saty

 

[Kid Ska]

This is such a silly thread. People are just looking for anything to complain about with this game. Honestly I love Overwatch's loot boxes - they give me something to look forward to each level and they feed my addiction of opening packs without locking me out of relevant gameplay elements. Sure, voice lines aren't super exciting but neither are unplayable commons or bulk rares in MTG. It's all about the legendary skins and chase mythics.

 

[Baleoce]

Thats not even a new low for Blizzard.

For context, I was saying that in reply to full priced games, and ones that don't typically respect a game as an ongoing service. You can pick up Overwatch for £29.99, and my experience with it so far has been fun and very smooth. So I feel inclined to support it.

 

[Bisnic]

*new low in AAA games.
Have there been AAA games with gameplay-affecting MTAs? Yes. Was it awful? Yes. But it was also the 'easy' choice.

The situation in Overwatch is worse precisely because it expands MTAs to elements of the game that while don't impact the gameplay, do impact humor ,characterization and personality. They are locking away freaking WRITING. I can tell you that i would have enjoyed TF2 less if it had speech lines that i had to arbitrarily unlock. I know of no other game that does that, especially not a $60 AAA video game. Hench, this is a new low.

They already lock and monetize everything else, which is largely fine (not sure about the spray system and if custom user ones are allowed). They will be making money hand over fist. Why the fuck can't they spare speech lines from this? Like, who thought about that? They have it covered with skins. If they didn't do it, no business man or game designer would have thought Blizzard should lock speech lines - no one would even think to go there when there's already established system with skins and hats and visual stuff.

This is why it's a new low. Writing and speech content join the treadmill. Even if the Microtransaction level isn't applicable, you're still left with what i said:


As a player who dislikes these kinds of unlock system, Blizzard have set a new low in what can be locked away.

Locking away writing? WRITING? It's just taunts for god sake. Does it piss you off so much that you can't have Mei saying "Sorry sorry sorry" right away?

Or have you forgotten that the characters actually talk during the game without unlocking anything? You know... stuff that isn't taunts. You can have Hanzo & Genji talk to each other. Or have Widowmaker comment on the London map. No unlocks needed! No writings locked! Yay!

 

[MMaRsu]

I don't care about voice acting but I do feel like if you charge 60 bucks for a retail release you give up the right to have microtransactions

Go discounted or f2p if you want to go down that route

So Uncharted 4 so be free to play? Ok man

 

[ToyMachine228]

It doesn't effect the gameplay whatsoever. So no, it's not any kind of "low."

 

[Japanmanx3]

People really want to hate this game smh lol...

 

[Jebusman]

They are locking away freaking WRITING. I can tell you that i would have enjoyed TF2 less if it had speech lines that i had to arbitrarily unlock.

Didn't someone JUST SAY that technically all the character's voice options are in the game and played randomly, as they always have in FPSs? You're just unlocking the ability to arbitrarily yell them out.

 

[Moff]

when it comes to cosmetics, everything is fair game
for a f2p game but this costs 40 or 60 bucks
but that's not even my main problem

my problem is that these random boxes are simply not a carrot on a stick for me, it's super unmotivating because I mostly get nothing, and I need a carrot on a stick, I probably won't play this more than 10 hours. it's a shame because I think heros of the storm had a great concept with the gold and the daily quests. they should have done something similar here.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

when it comes to cosmetics, everything is fair game
for a f2p game but this costs 40 or 60 bucks
but that's not even my main problem

my problem is that these random boxes are simply not a carrot on a stick for me, it's super unmotivating and I need a carrot on a stick, I probably won't play this more than 10 hours

I mean would you not play the game to enjoy the game rather than the unlocks?

 

[Slixshot]

I enjoy the unlock system...

Same here. I don't have to pay a dime for unlocking either. You're wrong OP. The content is all I'm the game, you just have to play it to unlock it.

 

[TatteredHat]

This falls in line with reviewers complaining about the grind for unlockables being too heavy.

You unlock it for free by playing the game normally, if this a new low to you then you've been living under a rock OP.

If you're playing the game to unlock the cosmetics, then that's on you and your weird-ass priorities.

 

[-MD-]

People really want to hate this game smh lol...

I think some folks just don't like the game and are salty that it's doing well, the amount of nitpicky complaints I've seen out of GAF regarding Overwatch is insane.

 

[MMaRsu]

when it comes to cosmetics, everything is fair game
for a f2p game but this costs 40 or 60 bucks
but that's not even my main problem

my problem is that these random boxes are simply not a carrot on a stick for me, it's super unmotivating because I mostly get nothing, and I need a carrot on a stick, I probably won't play this more than 10 hours. it's a shame because I think heros of the storm had a great concept with the gold and the daily quests. they should have done something similar here.

I really hope this is sarcasm. Jesus

 

[WaterAstro]

And the majority of people think Overwatch's mtx is okay, and you should too if for some reason you think UC4 is okay and this isn't.

Once again, everything except the Origins Edition skins can be unlocked for free through normal play, and all of it is cosmetic and doesn't do anything in regards to gameplay. If you're paying cash it's because you want certain skins or whatever right now, or you just like opening virtual boxes.

I think the prices for the boxes are awful, but it's all cosmetic.

Uh I said the value of a one-line dialogue is worthless to be MTX, not that the whole thing is crooked.

They obviously serve as filler for your boxes as they are probably there to decrease the chance of players getting good stuff.

 

[m4st4]

I mean would you not play the game to enjoy the game rather than the unlocks?

This. Are you playing to PLAY or to unlock crates you hate so much?

 

[hodgy100]

*new low in AAA games.
Have there been AAA games with gameplay-affecting MTAs? Yes. Was it awful? Yes. But it was also the 'easy' choice.

The situation in Overwatch is worse precisely because it expands MTAs to elements of the game that while don't impact the gameplay, do impact humor ,characterization and personality. They are locking away freaking WRITING. I can tell you that i would have enjoyed TF2 less if it had speech lines that i had to arbitrarily unlock. I know of no other game that does that, especially not a $60 AAA video game. Hench, this is a new low.

They already lock and monetize everything else, which is largely fine (not sure about the spray system and if custom user ones are allowed). They will be making money hand over fist. Why the fuck can't they spare speech lines from this? Like, who thought about that? They have it covered with skins. If they didn't do it, no business man or game designer would have thought Blizzard should lock speech lines - no one would even think to go there when there's already established system with skins and hats and visual stuff.

This is why it's a new low. Writing and speech content join the treadmill. Even if the Microtransaction level isn't applicable, you're still left with what i said:


As a player who dislikes these kinds of unlock system, Blizzard have set a new low in what can be locked away.

again, they are not locking the incidental dialogue behing mtx. These are voice taunts.

 

[Pinko Marx]

They locked away such gripping writing as the giant space money saying "I do not want a banana..." or the Russian chick saying "In mother Russia, game plays you! " or the Japanese cyber Ninja saying stuff in Japanese.
Blizzard is just trying to save us from its own writing. They should be commended.

 

[Bluth54]

is this the first game you ever saw with microtransactions OP?


Also, TF2 now has a one-liner that you can use from a choice of various ones, a one liner meant to be just that, a one liner?




Because, you know, the characters have a lot of fucking lines in the game while playing, like TF2?





TF2 also sells fucking guns with different effects. That's seems way more low.

TF2 does sell weapons, but that's because most of the weapon models are made by the community and that's how those members of the community get paid. Every single unique weapon is in the random drop system, which gives you a new weapon every 40 minutes or so of playing the game. You can also trade for weapons or craft them. The only weapons that you can't get through the random drop system are ones that count kills/killstreaks and reskins.

Also TF2 has a ton of free voice lines. They do sell taunts with unique voice lines but again many of those are made by the community and that's how the people who created them get paid.

 

[Moff]

I mean would you not play the game to enjoy the game rather than the unlocks?

well I am playing it, but if it wants to keep me I need something to stay motivated, that's on top of being a game that is fun to play, both are equally important to keep me playing long term.

it's odd that I need to explain the concept of a carrot on a stick on a hardcore forum like NeoGaf.

 

[Atraveller]

Did no one remember BF4 and CoD? They had paid guns and maps on top of microtransaction!

 

[Sn4ke_911]

when it comes to cosmetics, everything is fair game
for a f2p game but this costs 40 or 60 bucks
but that's not even my main problem

my problem is that these random boxes are simply not a carrot on a stick for me, it's super unmotivating because I mostly get nothing, and I need a carrot on a stick, I probably won't play this more than 10 hours. it's a shame because I think heros of the storm had a great concept with the gold and the daily quests. they should have done something similar here.

If you play this game just to get lootboxes this game is clearly not for you.

 

[MMaRsu]

well I am playing it, but if it wants to keep me I need something to stay motivated, that's on top of being a game that is fun to play, both are equally important to keep me playing long term.

it's odd that I need to explain the concept of a carrot on a stick on a herdcore forum like NeoGaf.

Uhhh jesus man.

How about the gameplay? The fun of winning with your team?

You seriously need a carrot on a stick to enjoy something? Haha my god man get a grip on urself.

 

[Ryan_MSF]

You are 100% right OP, Tracer saying "Leave it to me" is a crucial piece of storytelling that really adds to the depth of the game as a whole, how this game got 93 on metacritic is beyond me, blizzard are disgusting

Spoiler

/s

 

[Dragonslayer_023]

Did no one remember BF4 and CoD? They had paid guns and maps on top of microtransaction!

And single player modes.

I'm surprised at the backlash to this thread, this is bullshit in a $60 multiplayer only game.

 

[Sesuadra]

But.. you can do that?

You get momey from.the loot boxes you unlock so you can save up for the item you want

this. and you get the money often.

honestly, what's with the hate some people are having? >>

And single player modes.

I'm surprised at the backlash to this thread, this is bullshit in a $60 multiplayer only game.

so you rather pay for new maps and heroes?

 

[Jebusman]

OP's username should be Salty. Ridiculous thread.

I'm seconding this. Hooboy.

Like I get you OP, I'd rather zero MTA style stuff at all. But saying this is a new low is extreme hyperbole. If anything Blizzard is trying to find ways to monetize exactly the right stuff, the things that don't affect gameplay in the least bit.

Uhhh jesus man.

How about the gameplay? The fun of winning with your team?

You seriously need a carrot on a stick to enjoy something? Haha my god man get a grip on urself.

It's actually shockingly how sell aware that is, yet self defeating at the same time.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

well I am playing it, but if it wants to keep me I need something to stay motivated, that's on top of being a game that is fun to play, both are equally important to keep me playing long term.

it's odd that I need to explain the concept of a carrot on a stick on a herdcore forum like NeoGaf.

You don't need to explain anything to me. The carrot is enjoyment. It's pretty clear the game isn't for you.

 

[Snkfanatic]

And single player modes.

I'm surprised at the backlash to this thread, this is bullshit in a $60 multiplayer only game.

Please explain what is bullshit about it...cause I don't really see it. It's cosmetic stuff. Also how would it having any form of a single player suddenly make this ok in your eyes, since you brought up the multiplayer only aspect.

 

[fresquito]

I think some folks just don't like the game and are salty that it's doing well, the amount of nitpicky complaints I've seen out of GAF regarding Overwatch is insane.

Some people that love playing trailers and wank to a virtual world more than actually playing the game are not happy this is not yet another blockbuster action game made for them. They can not accept an AAA is not geared towards them.

 

[『Inaba Resident』]

And single player modes.

I'm surprised at the backlash to this thread, this is bullshit in a $60 multiplayer only game.

Please explain

 

[King Gilga]

Yeah, it's a real lazy way to unlock shit.

 

[Moff]

You seriously need a carrot on a stick to enjoy something? Haha my god man get a grip on urself.

no, as I said, I am enjoying myself at the moment. but if this game wants to keep me playing in the long term I need something, yes.

I can't believe so many people on this board are obvlivious to this concept, most online games have a system like that. overwatch as well, just a bad one.

 

[Moff]

You don't need to explain anything to me. The carrot is enjoyment. It's pretty clear the game isn't for you.

nope, the carrot is most definitely not enjoyment when people talk about carrot on a stick in games
you do understand what this means? its like holding a carrot on a stick on front of a horse so that it keeps running. it's never supposed to reach it
if that is "fun" for you, something you never reach in a game, then I feel bad for you.
but I guess you simply don't understand what the term means.

 

[MMaRsu]

nope, the carrot is most definitely not enjoyment when people talk about carrot on a stick in games

Its seemingly what you get more enjoyment out of then the actual gameplay tho, going by your comments

What kind of carrot do you want lol. The fun is from playing with friends.. not having the carrot doesnt mean shit. Counterstrike, Q3a, Unreal Tournament they didnt have carrots..very good games to play for a long time without any "carrots"

 

[Atraveller]

And single player modes.

Microtransaction for items that influence how well you do online, in a game that already has paid multiplayer content, is justified because of a six-hour-campaign?

 

[Bisnic]

And single player modes.

I'm surprised at the backlash to this thread, this is bullshit in a $60 multiplayer only game.

It's not bullshit if all you can buy is cosmetics AND can be unlock for free by just leveling up.

 

[MUnited83]

And single player modes.

I'm surprised at the backlash to this thread, this is bullshit in a $60 multiplayer only game.

That will get new modes and new heroes, aka new content, for a fuckload of time, without the need to pay one penny more.

 

[Zemm]

Make troll thread, never make a 2nd post, sit and watch the chaos. Although in this case there really isn't any chaos as everyone in this thread is in agreement.

2/10 for quality and effort, leave the top tier trolling to people like ghst (rip).

edit: Oh Lord, he has posted again and it seems like this isn't a troll thread? That's even worse haha.

 

[azyless]

while don't impact the gameplay, do impact humor ,characterization and personality. They are locking away freaking WRITING.

Yep, thinking of getting a refund now that I now excellent writing such as the "Beep beep" line for Bastion is locked behind... well it's not locked behind anything but I am still mad !!

 

[Moff]

Its seemingly what you get more enjoyment out of then the actual gameplay tho, going by your comments

I feel I have made clear in my first post that both are equally important for long term play. if a game is fun I will play it for like 10 hours, like a singleplayer game. after that I need both fun gameplay and a carrot on a stick. simply because there are too many games out there. I will simply play another that is fun as well.

IWhat kind of carrot do you want lol. The fun is from playing with friends.. not having the carrot doesnt mean shit. Counterstrike, Q3a, Unreal Tournament they didnt have carrots..very good games to play for a long time without any "carrots"

I think overwatch has fantastic carrots, but it's a very dumb random system to get them. for me, that doesn't work, for me. but it's obviously bad to boost micro transactions.
most online games today have systems like that, the games you mentioned are ancient.

 

[Gipsy Danger]

I don't care about voice acting but I do feel like if you charge 60 bucks for a retail release you give up the right to have microtransactions

Go discounted or f2p if you want to go down that route

So would you prefer if they just charge for characters, maps and modes?

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

Maps are free. I don't have the game and I won't be picking it up, but this is even an issue is mindblowing.

I think the majority of gamers would take free maps with paid shitty speech lines that make no difference over paid maps anyday.

 

[Saty]

Didn't someone JUST SAY that technically all the character's voice options are in the game and played randomly, as they always have in FPSs? You're just unlocking the ability to arbitrarily yell them out.

Are you suggesting the situation might actually be worse?

again, they are not locking the incidental dialogue behing mtx. These are voice taunts.

My point is no speech lines, voice taunts or any kind of communication like that should be locked away (doesn't matter if it's a regular unlock system or MTAs). It's preposterous and very much unneeded when you have everything else locked in a full-priced game.

I don't know, maybe the new chat commands Rocket League is introducing should be something that you randomly unlock, line by line.

 

[peakish]

I don't really like that microtransactions are in the game, or that they chose the worst system for it (gambling instead of buying stuff directly, it's pretty scummy), but this stuff is not by any measure an essential or even significant part of the game. Well, at least not to me. But if you think a few voice lines and weird skins are important I don't know what to tell you.

 

[zelas]

A new low? Haven't Dota and CoD done this for years? Where are all these nitpicky and misinformed Overwatch topics coming from?

 

[Chronospherics]

What... This has to be one of the most nitpicky complaint I've seen in games. I get it that you don't like having MTs in paid games but just single-out one of the least important things in a multiplayer only game is a bit weird.

I think being able to customize your character is a big deal in modern multiplayer games. It might be a side-aspect of the game, but it is a standard, and all of Overwatch's items are tied to this MT system or alternatively, unbelievably slow rate of progression. Importantly, it ignores existing standards for the quantity of content consumers expect to get for free from the core package, and unfortunately that sets a frightening new precedent regarding the value we can expect from our $60.

This shouldn't be ignored. It's a big deal. I don't want to spend £40 on a game that distributes content like a free to play.

A new low? Haven't Dota and CoD done this for years? Where are all these nitpicky and misinformed Overwatch topics coming from?

DoTa is free to play.

CoD has an absolute abundance of base unlocks and an astronomical amount of content in the $60 package. As much as I dislike CoD, it's MT model isn't bad in comparison to OW. There are a number of factors that combine to make this games reward distribution awful for non-mt users. These are randomisation, multiple characters with character specific unlocks, abundance of almost arbitary items padding the loot pool, duplicated loot and an extreme time requirement per loot drop.

Together these features unsure that you're not unlocking anything quickly and those unlocks you do get have a high chance to be either duplicates, arbitrary items, or for characters you do not care for.

 

[John Kowalski]

what is going on

 

[MMaRsu]

Are you suggesting the situation might actually be worse?



My point is no speech lines, voice taunts or any kind of communication like that should be locked away (doesn't matter if it's a regular unlock system or MTAs). It's preposterous and very much unneeded when you have everything else locked in a full-priced game.

I don't know, maybe the new chat commands Rocket League is introducing should be something that you randomly unlock, line by line.

And exactly WHY is it preposterous?

You have made ZERO valid points as to why this unlock system.is shit.

This is why noone in this tread agrees with you buddy. You just come across as someone screaming shit without them even knowing anything about the subject.

Did you bitch and moan when in Tony Hawk you had to unlock all the skaters by playing?