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[tw1164]

I just got to level 25. I think my only real complaint is the turrets. I don't mind bastion or rapier. but the turret drive me crazy. Their range seem too great. The hints says it's only 40m, but it seems to be longer then that.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Niiice.

 

[MGrant]

pic

Hahahaha, brilliant.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

He's my top 3 most played now.

I really feel like he might be another hero that works better on PC. His wall run stuff is just amazing.

Like a Lucio on Anubis? On point B, he can run around high above people's heads, healing them without people even knowing.

 

[Demoskinos]

I'm having 2+ minute waits for matches on PS4 today and I don't know why. 😐

 

[Artanisix]

still have yet to play anubis since official release

what the hell man

 

[racketpunch]

You don't balance a game based on the oligarchy.

I hope they do because a lot of complaints coming from the masses are pretty silly. Also, it's the smart thing to do for esports.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

You don't balance a game based on the oligarchy.

If the option is between the "oligarchy" of the pros and the general masses, I'll take the pros' opinions.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

I really feel like he might be another hero that works better on PC. His wall run stuff is just amazing.

Like a Lucio on Anubis? On point B, he can run around high above people's heads, healing them without people even knowing.

Yeah, they should have made Lucio the spider not widowmaker, due to his climbing ability. A spider DJ. DJ spider.

But yeah, I like playing pharah to ruin lucio's wall run dreams.

 

[Uthred]

they have been playing the game for months

I thought the game wasnt fully balanced until launch? Perhaps I'm over-estimating the balance changes

 

[Klyka]

If the option is between the "oligarchy" of the pros and the general masses, I'll take the pros' opinions.

you just don't understand about Bastion and Torbjörn man

the turret AIMS ITSELF bro

IT AIM ITSELF!!!

I thought the game wasnt fully balanced until launch? Perhaps I'm over-estimating the balance changes

Multiplayer games are usually never really "balanced".

 

[sephi22]

You don't balance a game based on the oligarchy.

Dota 2 does it and it works well for them

 

[jello44]

Oh wow...according to that Master Overwatch site, I'm currently the best D.va player in the world on PS4...

I'm currently #148, but you have waaaaaaaaaaay more time with D.Va than I do. ;p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvwHHu9OXrs <- A small sample of my D.Va handywork.

I tend to switch it up a lot depending on the situation.

Defense, I go Mei, Attack, D.Va.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

you just don't understand about Bastion and Torbjörn man

the turret AIMS ITSELF bro

IT AIM ITSELF!!!

I'd really like all the Torb and Bastion whiners to try to actually play them. And particularly try them against decent opposition. Tell me they're unbalanced then.

 

[Whales]

I'd really like all the Torb and Bastion whiners to try to actually play them. And particularly try them against decent opposition. Tell me they're unbalanced then.

The first time I played torb I went on a 33 kill streak

He is really not hard to play at all

Even without his turret, his weapon by itself is insanely good

 

[BY2K]

24th crate.

One blue.

I WON'T BUY YOUR STUPID CRATES, BLIZZARD! YOU WON'T BRAKE ME!

 

[QisTopTier]

bastion sucks tbh

torb is ok

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

I believe they look at a variety of stats on multiple levels of playing, including noobs. So noob's opinions are irrelevant... but really you aren't a noob forever. You learn how to counter things. Things level out. Eventually the former noob is an average player with often a change in perspective and opinion.

If you go by this https://watcher.gg/heroes alone, mccree has the lowest winrate. I think in reality, new players bring that winrate down a ton, even though technically he has an I win button in the middle players hands. And even then, turning his strength into a win isn't guaranteed.

 

[Zemm]

I honestly feel the game is really well balanced right now, I wouldn't change a thing unless something really broken arises. Some characters will never be tournament worthy and that's fine imo, they'll still get plenty of game time in normal competitive/quick play.

 

[packy34]

I'd really like all the Torb and Bastion whiners to try to actually play them. And particularly try them against decent opposition. Tell me they're unbalanced then.

I have. And I almost always get 25+ kills and POTG. Torb is way OP against pubs if you place the turrets smartly.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

The first time I played torb I went on a 33 kill streak

He is really not hard to play at all

Even without his turret, his weapon by itself is insanely good

Again. Play against some decent opposition and tell me it's so easy.

There's a reason why he's considered a bottom tier character like Mei.

I have. And I almost always get 25+ kills and POTG. Torb is way OP against pubs if you place the turrets smartly.

decent opposition

K.

 

[chrominance]

And yet she is so awesome to play as. People get so fucking wound up when you drop a wall in front of them and shut them in a room or something when they're running for a capture point. It's very entertaining.

I find the most infuriating thing Mei does to be freezing you, then walking into your line of sight, aiming carefully, and headshotting you. Actually, as someone who never plays Mei (I should practice with her more), for me it's looped all the way around from infuriating to hilarious now. All she needs is a quick wave hello before the headshot--imagine the salt.

 

[Gryph]

I hope they do because a lot of complaints coming from the masses are pretty silly. Also, it's the smart thing to do for esports.

If the option is between the "oligarchy" of the pros and the general masses, I'll take the pros' opinions.

It's neither. The vast majority of players in any game are not "pro" players. I'm sure Blizzard has several people who read all the various complaints, rankings, and opinions both of the revered pros and the unwashed masses.

But the game isn't balanced for either of those groups. It's balanced based on data sets and analytic collection.

The "smart thing to do" for esports is to ignore all of the biased statements made by humans about your game. The human feedback you should be concerned about is, "Is it fun?"

For all the balance issues; which character has too much health, who wins on what maps, whether or not some character is over-powered or under-powered, why some characters aren't picked, etc...

Those are issues that are solved through data collection, not op-eds. You can't approach balance via hearsay.

 

[mbpm1]

If you go by this https://watcher.gg/heroes alone, mccree has the lowest winrate. I think in reality, new players bring that winrate down a ton, even though technically he has an I win button in the middle players hands. And even then, turning his strength into a win isn't guaranteed.

I'm the noob bringing the winrate down

I know how strong he is tho

 

[Sn4ke_911]

lmao, after we captured the first point on king's row in less than 30 seconds or so.

 

[zoukka]

You don't balance a game based on the oligarchy.

Of course you do, it's true for any e-sport.

 

[Lady Siara]

Tracer's Posh is my favorite.

Mine too. Looks really nice.

 

[TaterTots]

I paid $39.99 for this game and it was a great investment. I already have 24 hours lol. The complaints about lack of a single player campaign is crazy to me. I've paid $59.99 for a 9 hour campaign only game before. The replay value is through the roof with this game.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

It's neither. The vast majority of players in any game are not "pro" players. I'm sure Blizzard has several people who read all the various complaints, rankings, and opinions both of the revered pros and the unwashed masses.

But the game isn't balanced for either of those groups. It's balanced based on data sets and analytic collection.

The "smart thing to do" for esports is to ignore all of the biased statements made by humans about your game. The human feedback you should be concerned about is, "Is it fun?"

For all the balance issues; which character has too much health, who wins on what maps, whether or not some character is over-powered or under-powered, why some characters aren't picked, etc...

Those are issues that are solved through data collection, not op-eds.

Sure, data collection is fine.

As long as we don't listen to the general playerbase. Because if we did that, every damn character would have had a nerf request by now.

 

[jello44]

lmao, after we captured the first point on king's row in less than 30 seconds or so.

What sore losers.

 

[Whales]

Again. Play against some decent opposition and tell me it's so easy.

There's a reason why he's considered a bottom tier character like Mei.


K.

It was ''Decent opposition''

We were actually getting steamrolled and once I switched to him the tides turned and they couldn't do shit. Are you gonna keep telling me ''decent opposition'' now?

I'm not saying he's OP, but hes very easy to use and his turret takes literally 5 sec to place and upgrade and his ULT is fantastic

 

[abundant]

I'd really like all the Torb and Bastion whiners to try to actually play them. And particularly try them against decent opposition. Tell me they're unbalanced then.

Agreed. Back when TF2 came out, I played mostly as an Engineer, so naturally I thought that I would love playing as Torbjorn. Things quickly changed when I realized that anyone that knows what they are doing will take out your turret in no time.

 

[ChoklitCow]

lmao, after we captured the first point on king's row in less than 30 seconds or so.

I've never understood that. There have been times in Overtime when I knew it wasn't worth running back, but I have been on teams that have won countless games where the team steamrolled the first point but couldn't get the second or payload to completion.

 

[Ken]

I've had good Torb games and I've had really bad Torb games where I should have swapped out after the first death because the enemy Pharah's only mission was to counter my existence bad

 

[packy34]

Again. Play against some decent opposition and tell me it's so easy.


K.

Of course, the only explanation that exists is that every match I play as Torb and do well MUST be against shit players.

Jesus.

 

[Uthred]

I paid $39.99 for this game and it was a great investment. I already have 24 hours lol. The complaints about lack of a single player campaign is crazy to me. I've paid $59.99 for a 9 hour campaign only game before. The replay value is through the roof with this game.

I think the games a solid value proposition, thats why I bought it after all. But I would like a single player campaign or spin-off simply because I like the characters and the world. Not due to any monetary issue.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

It was ''Decent opposition''

We were actually getting steamrolled and once I switched to him the tides turned and they couldn't do shit. Are you gonna keep telling me ''decent opposition'' now?

I'm not saying he's OP, but hes very easy to use and his turret takes literally 5 sec to place and upgrade and his ULT is fantastic

Did they actually try to counter you? A quick Genji or Junkrat pick should have easily stemmed the tide. The fact that they "couldn't do shit" against one character tells me that in fact your opponents were not that great or that the rest of your team was that good.

Like I said, he's not a top tier character. He's a fun pub stomper. Not much more.

 

[BY2K]

Is there a penalty for leaving games early?

 

[Lyng]

lost with the payload 0,35 away from the final spot. Why are people just running around like idiots trying for kills.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Is there a penalty for leaving games early?

If you leave enough times, you get a pretty hefty experience penalty.

 

[brianjones]

lost with the payload 0,35 away from the final spot. Why are people just running around like idiots trying for kills.

I've been on defensive end of games like this where nobody is even watching the payload just running for kills.. really frustrating

If you leave enough times, you get a pretty hefty experience penalty.

how much is enough? feel like penalties for leaving should be stricter tbh

 

[GuitarGuruu]

Does anyone wish to group up? Playing for a bit on PC.

BNet: AceTusk#1270

 

[BY2K]

lost with the payload 0,35 away from the final spot. Why are people just running around like idiots trying for kills.

Because every mode is TDM, silly. /s

 

[Hawkie]

Played with a full team of Torbs on defence. Hilarious - so much armour flying around.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

What sore losers.

Yeah i hope they get a nice EXP penalty, can't stand rage quitters.

 

[Blizzard]

Because every mode is TDM, silly. /s

You get XP on win or loss, so random players may just do whatever is fun for them. How much is the win bonus?

 

[Gryph]

Of course you do, it's true for any e-sport.

It's really not.

 

[Lyng]

Yeah i hope they get a nice EXP penalty, can't stand rage quitters.

Especially since the matches are so short. Stick it out and do your best.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Especially since the matches are so short. Stick it out and do your best.

!

 

[thenexus6]

How the hell do people use Winston's ult? I just end up jumping around like a mad man not managing to get any kills.