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Overwatch |OT10| That'll do pig, that'll do
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Sorry, but if this is how you think, then the game has a LOT of abilities that do not function antithetically to an FPS.
Lots of things rewards you with damage from things you didn't directly aim. Pharah's rockets have an explosion radius, for example. Junkrat's nades are even more of this kind of problem because they have an arc to them. I can't tell you how many times I've died because Junkrat was spamming grenades over a wall from outside the objective. Those weren't aimed shots, they didn't even know where anyone was and they didn't have to hit me but they did damage with explosions. Then there's the turrets, who the game aims for you. Orisa's pull ability literally functions by not hitting you, but by aiming to the side of you and pulling you off the map. And while Winston's and Symmetra's primary fire technically do hit you, sure, the lack of aiming required on them should be theoretically antithetical by to FPS by your logic too.
So maybe you have an issue with the shards being an instakill rather than the fact that they damage you. Thing is, they're not rng nor are they "Not aimed" at you in situations where they reliably instakill you. To get an instakill, a player has to aim at the ground in front of you, at which point the arrow will scatter in a predictable direction. I don't see why the fact that it being indirect damage rather than direct damage should be offensive to anyone. It's not that you aren't getting hit with the attack, it's that the attack functions in such a way that aiming at the ground is the ideal way to hit you. Unless you're arguing that Pharah's concussion blast should never kill you unless she's directly hit you with it as well, rather than the ground next to you.
Well, I don't care enough to prove whether this was or the case with the pro's or not, but that just makes him situationally viable. But, even so, a 5v6 pick is still an amazing advantage that I would think even in this Meta would be useful to play.
Well, I see him in QP a lot and where I play most other characters, and he doesn't give me any problems with scatter arrow there either. Granted, it's QP, so sometimes you get really bad Hanzo's, but that also means sometimes you get good ones. I was also in Silver and Gold for a long while. Basically, I've been all over the place, and I haven't been anywhere that he's been an actual problem.
You can also block it, don't forget that. Icicle, Reinshield, Zaryabubble, etc.
If you don't have a line of sight to the character, you're going to need a particular angle in which to hit the character. You're exaggerating by saying you can be hit from anywhere and anyhow across the entire map. If there is a straight wall between you and the enemy, scatter isn't going to do anything. If you are the right angle, but the character has walked too far into a corridor, you probably aren't going to get the kill. Scatter Arrow needs to be at a very close and sharp angle to be a reliable kill. Anything past that, it MIGHT hit the enemy, but it's unlikely to do kill damage. Scatter Arrow has different weaknesses than Hog, talking about how Scatter has a longer range doesn't do much for me, especially since, as I said before, the longer range a scatter is, the less likely it's going to be to hit anyone.
Nothing keeps you entirely safe from any ability. There is no such thing as guaranteed safeguards in this game. Even the hardest of counters in this game still offer you the chance to outplay that counter. That's just the nature of the game, you can do stuff that maximize your ability to survive, but there's never anything that straight up can't kill you ever.
All the fun has now been sucked off Lucioball. Comp OW is super-toxic and w/ only 3 people on the team, it's going to be a blamefest.
Nuno Pinto
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Just got my first Ana potg!!
And it was the lamest thing ever!!
Lifesaver potg killing a Mei while she was headshotting me to death after being frozen. Couldn't even save my own life lol
And it was the lamest thing ever!!
Lifesaver potg killing a Mei while she was headshotting me to death after being frozen. Couldn't even save my own life lol
Lord of Castamere
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Hanzo, Junkrat, and Windomaker. The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost of losing SR. We had a teleporter last game and Hanzo used 3 of the 6.
TheDrizzlerJ11
Member
Zenyatta ult?
Sombra teleport?
Widows hookshot?
....and I wonder if reaper can teleport lol? Like wraith is on cd so the reaper just teleports out slowly instead. Never seen it but something is telling me it would work.
Sigh...the amount of troll/throwers/bad dps instalock is like 75% for me. Fuck.
I'm guessing Zarya's buff was really due to Doomfist.
TheDrizzlerJ11
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How does throwing get you gold guns? CP is from wins only...
Seems like he throws his way down to bronze to get easier wins on the way back up to getting the 800 for platinum at the end of the season.
For the match I was in he picked Widow and threw himself off the cliff for the duration of the match.
Terareflection
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thepotatoman
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Why wouldn't it be possible?
Players largely still seem to have only the most basic understanding of the game, and you should get out of any real ELO hell in about 100-300 games.
Possibly wouldn't be possible if you only play like 30 games a month depending on where you started out at.
Lord of Castamere
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Honestly they should just make the fall stop at your bottom. You shouldn't see Diamond in silver ranking.
Ana still has a death combo for 200 hp heroes after hitting a sleep dart.
Stand behind them, shoot cancel with nade, shoot cancel with punch. The fastest way to input this is hold R2 and just cancel each step with the nade and punch inputs.
Rickenslacker
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Terareflection
Member
I'll keep this in mind. Thanks.
In other news, Bastion has been killing it in these diamond matches.
Just come to PC already.
100-300 games???? I can't even get myself to open OW anytime after getting 4 straight lost.
Unfortunately this question does not have a real definite answer. Time played isn't even the sole factor in having good game sense and good mechanical skills alone will get you pretty far. There are plenty of people with silver borders who are only gold/plat. There are also GMs who only solo queue, so yeah.
Overall, what are your thoughts on Doomfist? (I'll continue to update this when I collect my thoughts.)
I feel like the character is a good balance between raw power and speed, and is overall a very fun character to play. There is a lot of nuance with his kit and mechanics, and I can't wait to see the cool stunts players will perform in the future with the character.
However, I do have a couple of issues with him:
-Seismic Slam resets Doomfist's previous momentum and is stuck at a fixed speed during the animation cycle. And when you perform a mid-air slam, it feels awful, as the indicator can be imprecise and there is no way to fully control it once you press E. (Half the time, I just mash the button in hopes it will get me to where I'm aiming.)
-Using SS into Uppercut is great when you land it, but doing the reverse doesn't work as effectively. It doesn't do much damage, and it doesn't chain well either due to the way Seismic Slam works mid-air & Doomfist's extended airtime.
-Rocket Punch is a very satisfying ability to use, and it's a great way to initiate a fight. On the other hand, it's not so hot to be on the receiving end. While I'm generally fine when I get hit (especially when it's my own fault for not moving out of the way, what with the audio and visual cues), there are times when I've thought to myself, "Okay, what wall did I hit this time?"
-The collision detection can be pretty inconsistent, as there are times when I would die when colliding against a wall 15 feet away, but I would barely survive at a similar distance.
-Speaking of which, there are also times when I could die to Doomfist's punch when I'm on a lower end of a staircase and he's higher up. I can be barely in his LOS, but the enemy Doomfist can use his punch just the same as if we were eye-to-eye, despite it's verticality. The various stair cases on Gibraltar (such as the one at the back on the first point near the forklift) is an example of this.
I feel like the character is a good balance between raw power and speed, and is overall a very fun character to play. There is a lot of nuance with his kit and mechanics, and I can't wait to see the cool stunts players will perform in the future with the character.
However, I do have a couple of issues with him:
-Seismic Slam resets Doomfist's previous momentum and is stuck at a fixed speed during the animation cycle. And when you perform a mid-air slam, it feels awful, as the indicator can be imprecise and there is no way to fully control it once you press E. (Half the time, I just mash the button in hopes it will get me to where I'm aiming.)
-Using SS into Uppercut is great when you land it, but doing the reverse doesn't work as effectively. It doesn't do much damage, and it doesn't chain well either due to the way Seismic Slam works mid-air & Doomfist's extended airtime.
-Rocket Punch is a very satisfying ability to use, and it's a great way to initiate a fight. On the other hand, it's not so hot to be on the receiving end. While I'm generally fine when I get hit (especially when it's my own fault for not moving out of the way, what with the audio and visual cues), there are times when I've thought to myself, "Okay, what wall did I hit this time?"
-The collision detection can be pretty inconsistent, as there are times when I would die when colliding against a wall 15 feet away, but I would barely survive at a similar distance.
-Speaking of which, there are also times when I could die to Doomfist's punch when I'm on a lower end of a staircase and he's higher up. I can be barely in his LOS, but the enemy Doomfist can use his punch just the same as if we were eye-to-eye, despite it's verticality. The various stair cases on Gibraltar (such as the one at the back on the first point near the forklift) is an example of this.
Genji is so stupid.
The kill cam showed him moving back to deflect it.
Don Draper's Hat
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Competitive LucioBall better be in the Arcade so it can count towards the 9 weekly wins.
papasmurf1038
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I like Doomfist quite a bit! Pretty much only been able to play him in Arcade so far, but as someone who plays a lot of Winston his hyper-mobile style of "get in, get a pick, and get out" definitely appeals. And the sound effect for Rocket Punch is fantastic, it makes you feel rad when charging up your own and immediately instills fear when you hear it from the enemy Doomfist.
My main complaints so far would be two things you already mentioned: Seismic Slam feels kinda garbage to use as an actual attack, and the hitbox underneath Rocket Punch is a bit silly. I spent some time in Arcade trying to bait Rocket Punches by sidestepping off ledges, but the vertical hitbox is so large that you end up getting hit even if you've dropped beneath ground level from your point of view. Beyond that he's really fun and will probably be the main DPS character I play from here on out.
It also flies by him and deflect still works.
icecold1983
Member
if you have an IQ in the double digits, quite easily
Nuno Pinto
Member
4 comp games, 4 defeats, 3 zaryas that saved their ult fight after fight, probably for the next game.
Fucking hanzo mains.
Fucking hanzo mains.
The hell does that mean?
He was so much fun before the nerfs in PTR. I def need to play him more carefully. I was just doing solo q in QP so of course the lack of teamwork didn't help.
Did you give up playing on console?
Nuno Pinto
Member
That's because you switched the primary fire.
I wish we could choose.
My games today were fucking terrible.
When I played my best I lost, when I went hanzo I draw, when I did stupid shit as Tracer like saying hello to the enemy team and fighting in the low gravity part on horizon I ended up winning because apparently I was in the right place at the right time, I don't think I've ever had so many pulse bomb kills in one game.
I got to diamond solo que. and have been stuck in it since. It's the new platinum
There was a 4-stack in QP last night and this stupid golden gun Widow on enemy team was destroying my team during Attack when I was trying to practice Doomfist. When we became Attack, they were still on other team so I switched to Zen and focused on countersniping her and managed to kill her a few times. It was great when I did a bunch of charged attacks and killed her from afar. Shame we didn't get the Payload in at the very end cuz my teammates kept dying. Oh well, almost carried the team to victory.
I was thinking that and they really screwed up the settings there.
I was thinking that and they really screwed up the settings there.
I used to say diamond was the worst rank to be in. Then I got some of my friends into OW and have been playing plat/diamond games with them this season. Platinum might be the real diamond. So many genjis and bad team picks. Yesterday on offense we had a perfect 2-2-1 going and we only needed a focus healer like ana or mercy. Of course he picked attack sym.
Kind of. I don't have PS+ anymore, and I have to save my money rn.
Saving the 2 free days I get to play with anyone who requests for that day.
I had 29 elims on attack as rein and a 5:44 obj time. DPS literally just fed. I would have been better off with bots.
I was gold until overtime.
Someone leaves on defense. So everyone left.
Every single game recently has just been bad.
You squandered my skill on mystery heroes, this is what you get.
I'm up for Comp tonight. Gonna be maining Zen.
Nuno Pinto
Member
Comp is trash.
I only played comp because it was taking 10 minutes to find a mystery heroes match. Tried quick play but it was always 6 dps.
Went to comp but ffs, that was bad.
Lucky me that gravity rush 2 went on sale today, this way I won't have to touch this pos game until the summer games.
Comp ain't gonna get better when we get Doomfist noobs.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Come on, don't use that as an insult. : (
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