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Overwatch |OT10| That'll do pig, that'll do

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Kalnoky

Member
FatCatAttack said:
Basically, Overwatch needs. A true fun havey mode that is chaotic enough to mask personality responsibility but still has a general game flow, a greater sense of personal impact and accomplishment, and a more flexible meta that allows people to express themselves while still being competitive. You have all these wonderful characters with their own mechanics but you aren't "allowed" to touch over half of them without getting smacked on the nose with a newspaper because of "reasons" both in game and in the 'metagame' and people wonder why the game is toxic?
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I'm hoping FFA/deathmatch helps fill this role, at least a little bit.
 
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MCD

Junior Member
Watched the new D.VA in Unit Lost video and she's so fragile now. He kept losing his mecha every 10 sec wtf
 
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R0ckman

Member
Sygma said:
Is he already nerfed on the PTR ? I've been destroying with him on it yesterday when I couldn't play Mercy, it wasn't hard at all to land punches

Also I got one shot by a genji deflecting my slam, converting it as a headshot. Dunno if intended, but hilarious
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Why have they not tweaked genji's deflect? Its damn annoying and broken, I mentioned it before but it should be a reactionary move not preemptive, and a genji who fails to predict should be punished, if genji uses deflect and nothing attacks him in 1 sec it deactivates and he waits on that cool down; I shouldn't have to sit there picking my nose for a few seconds till it wears off and he escapes. With other barriers you can break them,
 
NeoRaider

NeoRaider

Member
MCD said:
Watched the new D.VA in Unit Lost video and she's so fragile now. He kept losing his mecha every 10 sec wtf
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Well since they nerfed her armor she is just sad. Reaper can take her down with 2-3 shoots.
I can only imagine how fragile she is now with her Defense Matrix nerfed too.
 
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Nocturnowl

Member
I'm in much agreement with FatCatAttack's points 3, 4 and 5.
"Two out of the three core roles are designed around wiping the bottoms of the guys doing the shooting. Not exactly a glamorous job" is my quote of the week.
 
A

AbaFadi

Banned
I see people here struggling in solo q. The best way to climb is to become a otp torb and climb to top 500 like this guy did.

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Prelude.

Member
I keep getting every skin but not Widow and Sombra's, the only ones I want, lul. Old Mercy, Old Widow, Old Lucio, Soldier, McCree, Junkrat, Reaper.
 
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Fixed2BeBroken

Member
MCD said:
Watched the new D.VA in Unit Lost video and she's so fragile now. He kept losing his mecha every 10 sec wtf
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Bruh.... tried to tell you all how easy she gonna be to pop now...

but people kept saying "Omg but rockets are so keeeewl!"

baby dva cant use rockets fam. gg
 
rackham

rackham

Banned
Anyone know if now that there have been "event modes" such as Lucioball, Junkensteins Revenge etc. that they will add a playlist to arcade to be played all year round?


I get that they want them to feel special but a random playlist would be cool.

Edit: to be clear, I'm saying since we have had special modes through out the year, they most likely won't have any other new modes right? I think they've said before they would like an event each month, which would be cool but I would like to play stuff like Junkenstien's Revenge at times other than Halloween.
 
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exYle

Member
rackham said:
Anyone know if now that there have been "event modes" such as Lucioball, Junkensteins Revenge etc. that they will add a playlist to arcade to be played all year round?


I get that they want them to feel special but a random playlist would be cool.

Edit: to be clear, I'm saying since we have had special modes through out the year, they most likely won't have any other new modes right? I think they've said before they would like an event each month, which would be cool but I would like to play stuff like Junkenstien's Revenge at times other than Halloween.
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Capture the flag is the only one
 
E

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
"Hey guys, lets stack together so I can lucioult you guys and we can attack the point"

*I go right with the tank, 3 guys go left and one guy goes middle*

Why do I even try

cut my life into pieces, this is my last resort
 
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Shredderi

Member
Man what are you even supposed to do in those weird matches where you get only 1 elimination? It feels completely futile to even try. Those are the ones I would welcome a "end the match early on your loss" button.
 
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randome

Member
I'm convinced I'm squarely where I should be. I can't seem to get past 2800 SR. I get to 2800 and go back to 2700 ad nauseam. Very annoying. Wonder if it's because I soloQ.
 
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Sir Griffith

Member
Hmmm, should I use my creds for Sombra or Mercy event skin. Only have enough for one of them :/

I might actually play Mercy more after the PTR changes go live. Decisions!
 
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antitrop

Member
Sir Griffith said:
Hmmm, should I use my creds for Sombra or Mercy event skin. Only have enough for one of them :/

I might actually play Mercy more after the PTR changes go live. Decisions!
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I don't like either of them. I'm still using Peppermint Sombra and Witch Mercy, even though I have all skins from all events.
 
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rulerk1

Member
The lootboxes for this event are weird. There are so many costumes i havent unlocked from the last event but all I got were Genji, Soldier, and Reaper. Almost every character has one yet i barely have any of them. Got a lot of voicelines and win poses so i guess it evens out.....
 
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Conrad Link

Member
The D.Va changes sound shit, they already weakened her enough before, now they go hey lets do it again! :|

Sigh, my fav character, guess I'll be on support now (the only other role I like to play), wonder if they'll nerf the f**king Genji always killing me on that then skipping away with no damage.... lolnar can't do that!

I still haven't got a event legendary either, not a single one, lost count of how many boxes I've opened, f**king pathetic. No coins, no skins, here have some spray and voice junk over and over and over.

The game is testing me so much.
 
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R0ckman

Member
FatCatAttack said:
Overwatch when it first came out probably had the best honeymoon period of any shooter that I played. Everyone was super friendly. I remember the moment where I got bit by the Hanzo bug. Enemy team was defending hanamura with a full gun line of bastions. I sneak off to the side and unleash a dragon that kills all of them and we cap. I get the full 11 votes from teammates and enemy for swapping TO Hanzo and countering the enemy. It's surreal looking back at that now and remembering that it was only a year ago. It feels like 10 years ago.

IMO Overwatch's toxicity problem is rooted several major issues.

1. Game lacks proper information conveyance. If you let your users "gap-fill" their own conclusions you create a system where toxicity spirals out of control, because nine times out of ten they gap-fill by blaming teammates.

2. Casual play and competitive play isn't differentiated enough. 6 v 6 makes sense in a comp environment because it's hard to wrangle more players to makes teams with more members. Part of the reason why highlander teams were so janky in TF2 was how difficult it was to get nine people together to practice. But 6 v 6 in quickplay creates a shit environment for fun and experimentation because it has all the individual pressure placed on people from the small team size and none of the competitve incentives to play well because it's "just quickplay." These problems are often exacerbated in arcade mode with even smaller teamsizes. This pressures people to play Comp to get good games. Initially this was the only reason why I even bothered to try comp in first place because quickplay became so shit. Pressuring people to play a mode to play the "real game" is a recipe for toxicity. It would have made far more sense for the regular game to have been 12 v 12 cluster fucks and have tournament mode be the offshoot for enthusiasts. This eases pressure on the meta as well since some characters can thrive in one mode even if they aren't featured in the other. For example, having a symmetra only player in a 12 v 12 pub game would be far more accepted and appreciated than in a 6 v 6 game.

3. Not enough solo play carry potential. It might seem like a weird notion but it is entirely possible for a team based game to be TOO team based. And that is IMO certainly the case with Overwatch. The carrying capacity of individual characters is too low and the need to overly cooperate creates a recipe for blame games. A recipe for toxic behavior. Early on when TF2 was released and you had shit maps like dustbowl and 2fort, and the completely insane launch Demoman; the game basically required multiple medics syncing their ubers together to breach points otherwise you'd never get through the spam. This caused a spike in "team player" servers like the infamous Texas Team Players server which was basically a toxic soup of butthurt where people screamed at you if you put a sentry in the "wrong" place. Over time changes made to the game and unlocks made it so you could be extremely independent. No medic? No problem. Just use the Black box, mad milk, etc. A good player in TF2 could carry a lot of trashcans. In fact most TF2 pubs were basically the top three players versus each other while the surrounding goombas and koopa troopas did their own thing. People deliberately afking as sandvich heavies or spy crabs were just part of the scenery. An afk torb in Overwatch however is a great cause for alarm.

4. The tank-dps-healer paradigm or the holy trinity as it is sometimes called is a shit framework for game design, ESPECIALLY for an action fps game. A lot of people might balk at this, but this system is just awful. People play first person shooters by and large to shooter persons first. Two out of the three core roles are designed around wiping the bottoms of the guys doing the shooting. Not exactly a glamorous job. And yes, there are people who like playing these roles but that motivation springs out of them solely. It's not fostered by the game by any incentive other than "I'd rather not lose." Compare that to other games with supports, like DOTA, where they have their own unique responsibilities and gameplay loops: rotations, stacking, warding, ganking along with their own spells. A Lion having a very good game with blink, forcestaff, euls has a ton of outplay potential compared to a carry like wraithking and PA who are designed around smacking something until it dies, for example. I remember an overwatch game where this mccree screamed at me for not killing a lucio when I was a mercy. The lucio was afk on the cart in Route 66. I was blue beaming the mccree and he missed one full clip of left clicks, a stun grenade (yes he tried to stun a guy who wasn't moving), and a fan the hammer. He did zero damage. But it was my fault even though he was the one shooting. There is NO AMOUNT of health you can stuff in these potatoes to help them. Conversely, in a true moba, even the shittiest carry will get items EVENTUALLY and accidentally attack move into the enemy base EVENTUALLY if you make enough space for them.

5. Bad balance. Self-explanatory and a common problem in games sinces good balance is pretty hard to achieve but like every other point in this list all the other Overwatch problems feed into each other making what individually would be smaller problems much worse. Not enough characters are viable at any one time. The game utterly failed in it's concept of switching to hero counters because the game revolves around mirror match ups. If not exact mirrors, than mirrors of the same strategy. You didn't have reaper comps to counter the tank meta for example, just another tank blob. People get bored of doing the same stuff and want to try new things. Other people don't want other people to try new things. Shitstorm ensues etc. Overwatch is basically the videogame equivalent to those dance movies like Stomp the Yard, where everyone has to dance the same little dance to win the big competition and someone has a breakdown and hides in their treehouse crying into their anime or whatever.

Basically, Overwatch needs. A true fun havey mode that is chaotic enough to mask personality responsibility but still has a general game flow, a greater sense of personal impact and accomplishment, and a more flexible meta that allows people to express themselves while still being competitive. You have all these wonderful characters with their own mechanics but you aren't "allowed" to touch over half of them without getting smacked on the nose with a newspaper because of "reasons" both in game and in the 'metagame' and people wonder why the game is toxic?
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Just wanted to say this is an awesome post btw, just perfect description of TF2 random games, this is what I originally thought OW would be like.
 
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Blues1990

Member
caesar said:
Hes like your average diamond and not a Dva main. You can't really take anything from watching him tbh.
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With regards to D.Va and Mercy, of course. But I definitely learned a few things when he plays Soldier, Tracer, or Reinhardt, which are the heroes he knows like the back of his hand.
 
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R0ckman

Member
Jackass Reaper in a match left me to die to a mei, as McCree I see him in touble, head shot her, she freezes then runs in a corridor with a healing item, can't cut her off of the pack in time, frozen to death, the Reaper is ****ing gone, just dust clouds. Why the hell do people leave their messes for others?
 
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Carl-Sagan

Member
I'm only three event skins away from completing the entire Summer Games collection. If I get one of the three legendaries I'm missing, I can buy the remainder with saved up gold!
 
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