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Overwatch |OT10| That'll do pig, that'll do

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Oberon

Banned
Is junkertown extremtly in the attacks favour or what? Because everytime I play attack on that map I win, and every time I play defence I lose easily
 
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Blues1990

Member
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SgtWiggles

Member
That feel when your rank 3450 Smurf Mei one trick solo holds the chokepoint on Dorado for a good 15 seconds for the rest of your team to get back and wipe them.

EDIT:Then you lose because your team goes full retard and tries to run 1 healer against a stall comp
 
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Data West

coaches in the WNBA
It's the most Blizzard thing possible but I love the fact that they changed Mercy because she was too based on one ability and now she averages more than double of that ability in the same amount of time.
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Oberon

Banned
Oh yeah, new Mercy has to be the worst thing ever. There's like no reason to not pick her at this point. Who would say no to free res?
 
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Veelk

Banned
Data West said:
It's the most Blizzard thing possible but I love the fact that they changed Mercy because she was too based on one ability and now she averages more than double of that ability in the same amount of time.
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No, they changed it because Mercy's ability worked in such a way that 1. it encouraged Mercies to hide and not be engaged in the fight while also recommending that their team die so they can get their ability off, 2. isn't a very interactive way to play the game because she is invulnerable while doing it, so rarely do people have any way to stop her and 3. the fact that having mercy hit ctrl-z on an investment wasn't a lot of fun for players.

We can laugh at their inconsistency regarding Roadhog's "He should not be able to one shot players, now here's doomfist" but the goals for the mercy change were met. I'm not even saying she is balanced, because I'm not sure she is. But the goal was never "Rez less". It was to get her skinny ass into the fight.
 
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Anne

Member
Lmao at people calling Moonmoon a bully for trolling people that have been ruining the game experience for months.

For people on the Mercy thing, she's really good right now. It's probably fine though, because old Mercy was one of the most toxic things to happen to OW ever. The new one has a much more well designed kit, she's just going to need some fine tuning. I don't think she's actually as powerful as people make her out to be, but she is ahead of the curve atm.

Acquiescence said:
So what's the exact reason as to why Genji appears in 90% of team compositions I wonder.
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Probably because he's a strong and flexible DPS that fits a generalist role for the most part. If you're saying that Genji is OP, you're just wrong. He just works well. Balance isn't about whether or not something has a high pickrate. It's about whether or not a character's strengths invalidate too many options or are just way too strong to be ignored. Genji's pickrates are actually pretty stable and not too far outside what you'd expect generalist things to be. He also happens to work well with the things in the game that are actually currently broken, at least in pro games on the previous patch with DM god D.Va.

Blues1990 said:
But why?
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Because the game isn't really hitting a playable state any time soon. Kudos for them actually making the game a bit more fun to play now, but it's going to take work. Meanwhile the ranked system is still broken and the real ass toxicity isn't dealt with yet. You can bitch about Moonmoon all you want, but what he's doing is basically the community's direct response to how big of a shitfest Competitive mode has become and the toxic as hell Mercy OTPs that have gotten us this far. Some of the shit slinging at Mercy OTPs isn't justified, like the dumb shit Taimou has gotten up to before (he's a real piece of shit tbh). I'll give it that. But I'm not going to frown upon somebody for trolling back against them after the entire upper end of ranked was made a joke by them for so long.
 
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LordofPwn

Member
Yay my Widow statue arrived today, even though they said October and I got the "It's shipping from our warehouse now" email an hour before I arrived home to find it but didn't see the email until after I saw the statue. Made getting off work early today even better.
 
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Pooya

Member
I don't know how they can possibly fix opt mercy problem, even if they have 30 percent winrate, it's going to take several seasons without mmr reset..

It's really bad watching a stream. I only watch S4, his match making has been garbage. He's usually chill but he was getting very upset last time. Often he has silver s2 players as Mercy on his team and with the new Mercy they were just useless with horrible movement.
 
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Azoor

Member
Anne said:
Lmao at people calling Moonmoon a bully for trolling people that have been ruining the game experience for months.

For people on the Mercy thing, she's really good right now. It's probably fine though, because old Mercy was one of the most toxic things to happen to OW ever. The new one has a much more well designed kit, she's just going to need some fine tuning. I don't think she's actually as powerful as people make her out to be, but she is ahead of the curve atm.



Probably because he's a strong and flexible DPS that fits a generalist role for the most part. If you're saying that Genji is OP, you're just wrong. He just works well. Balance isn't about whether or not something has a high pickrate. It's about whether or not a character's strengths invalidate too many options or are just way too strong to be ignored. Genji's pickrates are actually pretty stable and not too far outside what you'd expect generalist things to be. He also happens to work well with the things in the game that are actually currently broken, at least in pro games on the previous patch with DM god D.Va.



Because the game isn't really hitting a playable state any time soon. Kudos for them actually making the game a bit more fun to play now, but it's going to take work. Meanwhile the ranked system is still broken and the real ass toxicity isn't dealt with yet. You can bitch about Moonmoon all you want, but what he's doing is basically the community's direct response to how big of a shitfest Competitive mode has become and the toxic as hell Mercy OTPs that have gotten us this far. Some of the shit slinging at Mercy OTPs isn't justified, like the dumb shit Taimou has gotten up to before (he's a real piece of shit tbh). I'll give it that. But I'm not going to frown upon somebody for trolling back against them after the entire upper end of ranked was made a joke by them for so long.
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The old Mercy has encouraged horrible behavior it had to be changed. Blizzard needs to deal with the toxicity problem in Overwatch if they want their game to prosper.
 
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icecold1983

Member
Akuun said:
I don't like his schtick either. He seems to always try to entertain himself or his viewers at the expense of other people. He puts them on the spot and tries to act like it's a joke, when the only people who are laughing are him and his viewers.

It comes across as bullying to me. These people just want to play the game, and he's jumping in their way for his own amusement, and for views or something.
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quick play -----> for them
 
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benicillin

Banned
Azoor said:
The old Mercy has encouraged horrible behavior it had to be changed. Blizzard needs to deal with the toxicity problem in Overwatch if they want their game to prosper.
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I’m just confused they didn’t try and fix the ult and give her an e ability before throwing the whole thing out for something that introduces a whole bunch of other problems.

Streamer culture is toxic af btw. I don’t think anyone wants to be on anyone’s stream and deal with their BS for viewers.
 
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Nimby

Banned
Any comp matches that are on the new patch? New Mercy is stupid in theory, but I haven't touched the game in a while either.
 
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SgtWiggles

Member
Won like the last 3 games that I played Sombra on defense, and the one I played her on both.

I REALLY think I found my new main. Nobody really does anything to counter her, and I just fuck with Mercy and the tanks all day until I get EMP.
 
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shintoki

sparkle this bitch
Nimby said:
Any comp matches that are on the new patch? New Mercy is stupid in theory, but I haven't touched the game in a while either.
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Mercy is more required now then before really. Last one was just hide and bullshit, but for even matches. She is still the turning point, just because Rez is that powerful of an ability. I kind of feel like they should get any sort of Invic frames off of it.

Acquiescence said:
So what's the exact reason as to why Genji appears in 90% of team compositions I wonder.

Hmmmm *strokes chin*
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I've always felt like the biggest balance issue in the game has been defensive abilities are much better than offensive. Since ones like Zarya's bubble, Dva's DM, Genji's deflect, and Mercy's Rez counter offensive ults. The game values the ability to counter far more than more offense. It's why they should have put a bit more rock paper scissors in the defensive skills. Ala, Genji can't block Hanzo's ult or his reflect is less accurate the further back he is. So he can still block, but not redirect if he is sitting back. Have to get close for that.
 
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JeremyEtcetera

Unconfirmed Member
How ranks work now(from least best to best):

Below bronze
Tilted silver
Bronze
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Silver
Tilted Gold
Carried Bronze
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Gold
Carried Silver
Tilted Platinum
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Platinum
Tilted Diamond
Carried Gold
Tilted Master
Elo hell
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Diamond
Carried Plat
Mercy main skill level on other characters
Tilted GM
Elo hell if team is full of tilts
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Master
Carried Diamond
Players with no mic
Streamers
Tilted Top 500
Troll pick mains(dice roll based on map)
GMs half-tilted at carried players and troll picks
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Grandmaster
Bronze to GM challengers
Pro teams
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Top 500
Seagull
South Korea
 
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Incendiary

Banned
I've pretty much just been messing around with D.Va and Mercy in QP/Junkertown Arcade, and I really like new Mercy and am starting to get a hang on her new abilities. Still occasionally forget I have Rez on standby and am waiting for my ult to charge, though. D.Va I'm really going to have to play around with in QP more because nobody is afraid of her anymore. Blink too long and she's out of mech, and while I'm used to being out of mech and getting it back fairly quickly, she really needs dedicated healing if she's making a move against anything other than a 1v1. In the few games I've played Roadhog completely invalidates her existence now with the shorter DM.

It's really gonna be interesting to see where the meta lands after the changes settle.
 
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FatCatAttack

Member
You might find MoonMoon's antics entertaining, but it's pretty much definition of bullying. He's leveraging his celebrity and popularity over people just trying to play the game. This is even more ridiculous considering the fact that he pretty much poop socked only Roadhog early on to the point where people joked he was Roadhog in real life. His style of streaming means that for you sticklers out there he's in a permanent state of 'throwing' because he can't be 100 percent invested in games while memeing and interacting with his chat (not that I personally care but this has been brought up in this thread before that if you don't take certain optimizations or playstyles you are a thrower according to some people). He's in a position now where his stream has reached enough of a critical mass that he can play whatever he want and get tons of views. If you tune into twitch and see some obscure game at the top of the list there's a good chance it's moonmoon or lirik or summ1t or some other variety streamer playing that game. Trying to frame the riddler thing as vigilante justice is asinine because it's clear that he's fallen out of love with the game. He's just doing this for yucks on his stream not some higher purpose.


Anne said:
Probably because he's a strong and flexible DPS that fits a generalist role for the most part. If you're saying that Genji is OP, you're just wrong. He just works well. Balance isn't about whether or not something has a high pickrate. It's about whether or not a character's strengths invalidate too many options or are just way too strong to be ignored. Genji's pickrates are actually pretty stable and not too far outside what you'd expect generalist things to be. He also happens to work well with the things in the game that are actually currently broken, at least in pro games on the previous patch with DM god D.Va.
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Generalists by definition invalidate too many options in the kind of game overwatch is. Because every single character is in play all the time, the opportunity cost for picking any one character is the inability to pick every other character in its place. This is huge, and one of the major reasons why Overwatch metas continuously revolve around mirror matches. Generalists filling too many roles block specialists from blossoming in hero drafts. You can quibble on whether this fits the definition of "overpowered" but it's certainly problematic. It's also an issue that will only get worse as more and more heroes are added to the game.


I don't see how anyone could argue that the new mercy is gonna have to less issues with "toxicity" either. A specialized solo rez on a long cooldown? You don't need to be a fancy pants game designer to see that it's a shit storm waiting to happen. Already even after a few games I played and seen on stream I can see the cracks forming on how this works. You have two or more people die in quick succession and have to make a decision on who to bring back. The ones who aren't rezzed get booty bothered. You have to constantly explain yourself every thirty seconds on why you did what you did. You're gonna have situations where mercy's in stacks are gonna be accused (correctly or incorrectly) that they are burning rezzes on their queue partners. You're gonna get more goofy ass elo terrorism i.e. "Rez me exclusively or I throw." You're gonna get more pressure to be on the mic which everyone doesn't want to or can do because there's no interface to tell your team side ability cooldowns like the Z key for your ult. You create another layer of weird complexity in how cooldowns work because you can reset your cooldowns by swapping characters in spawn which makes defense on the second point of Hanamura even more ridiculous.

Old Mercy had some counter intuitiveness because sometimes she had to hide in a spider hole somewhere waiting for the defecation to hit the oscillation, but old rez was at least egalitarian. If you died where everyone else did you got brought back to life regardless of what you or the mercy player felt about each other. Toxicity in games has a direct correlation to how stifled people feel with regards to game mechanics and other players. Specialized solo individual rezzes is greater recipe for problems than a teamfight ability.

As far as "one trick poneying" is concerned, ya'll just have to get over people playing what they want to play. If the game can't incentivize players to play like the game is "suppose" to then it's a failure of game design. It's nothing the community can concern itself with.
 
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Schlep

Member
They need to do something about Mercy's ult. Not just the fact that she can fly away and be out of reach of half or more of the team, but even for heroes that can hit her, she regens health immediately. I'd honestly take old Mercy over this invulnerable team stuff.
 
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Gorillaz

Member
Yea Moon2 has his moments. Like at times when I watch him he shuts down viewer comments but at the same time I've read some stupid shit on twitch and the chat and Moon does a good job at shitting on them.

He definitely no longer cares about OW tho and if he likes D2 enough I see the shift happening at least to the point where he splits the time up between the 2
 
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CybernatonEvolution

Member
FatCatAttack said:
You might find MoonMoon's antics entertaining, but it's pretty much definition of bullying. He's leveraging his celebrity and popularity over people just trying to play the game. This is even more ridiculous considering the fact that he pretty much poop socked only Roadhog early on to the point where people joked he was Roadhog in real life. His style of streaming means that for you sticklers out there he's in a permanent state of 'throwing' because he can't be 100 percent invested in games while memeing and interacting with his chat (not that I personally care but this has been brought up in this thread before that if you don't take certain optimizations or playstyles you are a thrower according to some people). He's in a position now where his stream has reached enough of a critical mass that he can play whatever he want and get tons of views. If you tune into twitch and see some obscure game at the top of the list there's a good chance it's moonmoon or lirik or summ1t or some other variety streamer playing that game. Trying to frame the riddler thing as vigilante justice is asinine because it's clear that he's fallen out of love with the game. He's just doing this for yucks on his stream not some higher purpose.




Generalists by definition invalidate too many options in the kind of game overwatch is. Because every single character is in play all the time, the opportunity cost for picking any one character is the inability to pick every other character in its place. This is huge, and one of the major reasons why Overwatch metas continuously revolve around mirror matches. Generalists filling too many roles block specialists from blossoming in hero drafts. You can quibble on whether this fits the definition of "overpowered" but it's certainly problematic. It's also an issue that will only get worse as more and more heroes are added to the game.


I don't see how anyone could argue that the new mercy is gonna have to less issues with "toxicity" either. A specialized solo rez on a long cooldown? You don't need to be a fancy pants game designer to see that it's a shit storm waiting to happen. Already even after a few games I played and seen on stream I can see the cracks forming on how this works. You have two or more people die in quick succession and have to make a decision on who to bring back. The ones who aren't rezzed get booty bothered. You have to constantly explain yourself every thirty seconds on why you did what you did. You're gonna have situations where mercy's in stacks are gonna be accused (correctly or incorrectly) that they are burning rezzes on their queue partners. You're gonna get more goofy ass elo terrorism i.e. "Rez me exclusively or I throw." You're gonna get more pressure to be on the mic which everyone doesn't want to or can do because there's no interface to tell your team side ability cooldowns like the Z key for your ult. You create another layer of weird complexity in how cooldowns work because you can reset your cooldowns by swapping characters in spawn which makes defense on the second point of Hanamura even more ridiculous.

Old Mercy had some counter intuitiveness because sometimes she had to hide in a spider hole somewhere waiting for the defecation to hit the oscillation, but old rez was at least egalitarian. If you died where everyone else did you got brought back to life regardless of what you or the mercy player felt about each other. Toxicity in games has a direct correlation to how stifled people feel with regards to game mechanics and other players. Specialized solo individual rezzes is greater recipe for problems than a teamfight ability.

As far as "one trick poneying" is concerned, ya'll just have to get over people playing what they want to play. If the game can't incentivize players to play like the game is "suppose" to then it's a failure of game design. It's nothing the community can concern itself with.
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I've heard of rumors about a new Korean character related to D.Va.
 
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TWrecks310

Banned
Dead Prince said:
that's he's back with NRG?
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It's already been said by other pros that he won't be back with NRG.

He also won't be with Seoul and Shanghai for obvious reasons. Most likely he won't be with London or New York either because it seems like they are building full Korean rosters considering the teams they bought out.

That leaves seven remaining U.S. teams. I think he's good enough to be able to secure a starting spot on a team so that decreases his odds with Dallas EnVyUs, L.A. Immortals, and Miami Misfits.

If I had to guess he's going to be on one of the new teams, with my money on Boston.
 
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Incendiary

Banned
Alright, it's pretty fun to fly right at a Pharah while firing as D.Va and just destroy her. I can make a Pharah's life much more miserable now on console which is nice. Still getting used to the DM timing though - I'm feinting my DM use a lot more often and only holding it up to catch shots here and there while trying to bait out things like Helix Rockets and what-not.
 
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jokingbird

Member
Why did the game just drop my rank 100 sr, suspend my account for 10 minutes, when the game crashed and it had a crash report dialogue to send to Blizzard. It said windows defender had an issue with overwatch, but there is nothing in event viewer. Seems like a harsh penalty for the game crashing and the game sending a report that it crashed. This was before the match started too.
 
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Blues1990

Member
LiK said:
Seagull is a cool dude. Been watching some of his streams.
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Between Seagull, Valkia, Diaz, Desrow, Fitzy, & Alphacast, they're the streamers I watch the most. Desrow doing his thing as Torbjorn is a blast to watch.

Vault Dweller 111 said:
Mercy is dumb now.
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I feel she is even more necessary than before in every team comp. She's way more fun to play now & is much more active than passive, but a team without her can be at a disadvantage.

I don't want Blizzard to nerf Mercy down to the level of the other supports. If anything, I want the other support heroes brought up to her level to make them feel as necessary in a comp as her.
 
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TrueBlue

Member
Outside of maybe reducing her ult time, I don't think Mercy is too bad. I think the other healers could use some tweaking more than anything.

EDIT: Considering these changes just went live, I imagine the state of things will be clearer in a couple of weeks.
 
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blue_phazon

Member
So is this game starting to die already? There's a lot of negativity in the community

I used to play on PS4, but recently bought a gaming laptop (LUL amirite), and was pretty stocked to buy this game for PC.
 
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m29a

Neo Member
blue_phazon said:
So is this game starting to die already? There's a lot of negativity in the community.
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Eh, this forum consists primarily of enthusiasts, which are the minority, compared to the average joes playing the game. I'd suggest the game is still thriving. Enthusiasts love the game, which is why they nitpick, and I don't blame them but the game is still really good.

Blizzard may have issues balancing, but it's not that bad imo.
 
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