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Pacific Rim |OT| Apocalypse Never

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Jarmel

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Futurevoid said:
Man of Steel is a movie that desperately wants to show you Superman cutting loose without being burdened by retelling his origin because the creators thought the audience was tired of sitting through that. When they couldn't find a way around it, they tried to short cut it through half-assed flashbacks and internal conflicts that never materialize in any meaningful way. It ends up feeling like two tonally different films by the end. With the last third being a completely exhausting exercise in blowing shit up without any level of audience buy-in.

"You came to watch Superman beat the ever loving shit out of Zod? Right, we'll get there but we have to TRY and give this all meaning and make it feel like more than what it is. It has to be a character examination tied up into conflict resolution tied up into the real movie we want to make: Superman fucking shit up!"

Pacific Rim is a movie that doesn't try to hide its completely predictable nature or make its characters any deeper than they need to be. It presents you just enough to buy-in and get on the ride and doesn't ask much else. It's also very conscious of how much action real estate it affords the audience. It's never overwrought and the very concept it presents doesn't ask the audience to do more than enjoy the spectacle and care just a little about the three primary characters (Becket, Mako and Pentecost).

"You want to watch big ass Robots beat the ever loving shit out of Godzilla? Right, here you go".

That's the key difference between the two. Man of Steel isn't a serious film. It's pretending to be one and it does so poorly. If they wanted to explore the nature of Superman and the conflict he lives with in being an alien caring for a people he towers above, they could have made that the central focus of the movie and integrated Superman cutting loose far more intelligently. Instead they WANTED to make Pacific Rim but had to hide it under a veil of seriousness.

You can dislike Pacific Rim for being what it is and I'm generally accepting of the dissenting opinions in the thread. I can totally understand how folks would walk away thinking its all cheesy with paper thin characters. Generally more spectacle than substance but at no point does the movie ever try to convince you that it is more than what it is and it's why I'll take it over the tedious borefest that Man of Steel was.
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This is absolutely accurate.
 
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Busty

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Maninthemirror said:
Nikki from deadline.com
Weekend estimate early

Pacific rim : mid 40 million opening
Grownups 2 - low 40s opening
Despicable me still going to be number 1
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That's solid and nothing more. I was predicting a $40/45m opening as I suspected it was never going to open as low as some were predicting (hoping?) a few weeks ago.

But it all rests on the second weekend. If WOM can spread and people who weren't interested in the film start checking it out then 'war' can still be won. But it could be a steep hill to climb.

KingGondo said:
If it approaches $100 million in the US I'd say there's a decent chance we get a sequel when you add in the potentially huge worldwide audience for this one.
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Even a gross of $100m in the US is never going to cut no matter the reception it gets at the box office abroad. This was always meant to be a 'AAA' franchise and anything else isn't going to be enough.

Just look at Warner and Legendary's Wrath Of The Titans. It's considered a success worldwide but look at the numbers. $83m in the US, $221m from the International markets for a total of $305m or so.

$305m may not be a super smash but it's nothing to be sniffed at. And while it was profitable for the studio the sub $100m gross has killed any momentum for a sequel. I suspect Pacific Rim (especially with Legendary now on the Universal lot) would suffer a similar fate unless it's numbers are radically better across the board.
 
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Futurevoid

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rogue_pigeon said:
But throwing around phrases such as "but at no point does the movie ever try to convince you that it is more than what it is" I'm afraid does come off as apologetic and a refusal of a possibility that it might just not matter to some people's arguments - such is the case with me. That might not be what you intended, after all I did say seem, but that's how it came across.
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I'm afraid you spend a little too much time reading into what others are saying and less so taking them as simply "face value" stated opinions if that's what you came away with. More so I have to ask what does it matter to you what others perceive of said statement when you clearly just agreed with it in what I quoted below? I'm sure if someone happened on by and found what I said disagreeable, they would have gladly spoken right on up about it.

Amusingly enough I even stated in that very sentence that the fact that the movie doesn't pretend to be something its not is why *I* prefer it over Man of Steel and appreciated it.

rogue_pigeon said:
I very clearly did not. My point is that I found it to be not very good at what it was trying to be.
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Completely fair. I disagree, but having read your criticisms, I understand why you didn't walk away having enjoyed it.
 
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chickdigger802

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Has there been much of a toys push with this movie?

The merch potential is insane.

If I was a kid, I'd totally pick up all the toys related to this after watching this in IMAX.
 
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Messofanego

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It was AMAAAAAAAZING! Everything I had hoped for. The right amount of cheesy fun and dramatic action. So want to go another time. BFI IMAX was completely packed.

Snagged some posters, even my mom specifically asked for one after the movie was over.

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Toxi

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chickdigger802 said:
Has there been much of a toys push with this movie?

The merch potential is insane.

If I was a kid, I'd totally pick up all the toys related to this after watching this in IMAX.
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There aren't nearly enough toys. I want a Leatherback toy and an Otachi toy and a Cherno Alpha toy, but Cherno Alpha and Otachi have no planned toys and NECA isn't going to release Leatherback for a while.

Seriously, this franchise is toy gold and I hate that a stupid movie like Man of Steel gets tons of toys for every possible pointless costume variation (Here's Zod on Krypton with handcuffs!) and we can't even get a Cherno Alpha action figure.
 
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kurahador

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My sisters reaction after watching the movie; "wow...didn't expect the movie to be this awesome!!" And they usually hates anything robots.

As for me, the movie delivered. Dat action sequence!! The thin plot and characters doesn't bother me much really, and I thought the main character is alot better than Flynn from Tron Legacy. And his relationship with Mako is pretty cute.
Though kinda disappointed we don't get to see
coyote tango fight in japan
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Otherwise, a solid and fun movie.
 
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brianmcdoogle

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overcast said:
What the fuck spoilers.
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Sorry. I didn't think saying I didn't like the ending shot was a spoiler. For specificity, I am referring to
them on the raft with the jets flying overhead.

I didn't know people are so spoiler sensitive to simply saying that a non-specific shot was disappointing. I'll retire from the thread and edit my post.
 
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chickdigger802

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Toxi said:
There aren't nearly enough toys. I want a Leatherback toy and an Otachi toy and a Cherno Alpha toy, but Cherno Alpha and Otachi have no planned toys and NECA isn't going to release Leatherback for a while.

Seriously, this franchise is toy gold and I hate that a stupid movie like Man of Steel gets tons of toys for every possible costume (Here's Zod on Krypton with handcuffs!) and we can't even get a Cherno Alpha action figure.
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sell me the toys they had in the movie. Make some lego versions (or the shitty other one). jaeger plushies.

the manbaby in me would explode.
 
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Kyaw

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This film makes me feel all kinds of good. Really simple, silly and great action film of the summer.

Just fun fun fun.
 
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Busty

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If you want to see what type of audiences certain films attract search Twitter for 'Pacific Rim' and then search for Grown Ups 2.

The results are startling. All I'll say is this. There are a lot of people with pictures of themselves wearing NASCAR related clothing on their Twiiter who cannot wait to see Grown Ups 2.
 
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UnluckyKate

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Premiere in paris. Theater half empty (and a very good one too) ... so depressing.

Movie delivered to hard. Mako's first drift drag on a bit but the entire HK attack was pure bliss. So much " oh shit, fuck yeah, oh shiiiiiit, WTF, WOOOOOOOOW " moments
 
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ScraftyDevil

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Sitting in the theatre with a group of 14 of my friends and loved ones right now waiting for the 7:00 show. I've been one of this movie's biggest supporters on this forum (or so I like to think), so I'll see in a short time whether or not my enthusiasm was warrented.

Come on, Gipsy. Make me proud.
 
Smiles and Cries

Smiles and Cries

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I'll drop my vote as well in the Man of Steel vs. Pacific Rim thing going on in this thread since I just came back from seeing both and MoS surprised me as the better film sorry

I cringed way too much during Pacific Rim I am a huge Manga and Anime nut so I wanted to love it but seriously it was hard to get into it. Amazing visuals though but what I do love about Anime and Manga is that they do try hard to be a little deep even with crazy stories.

Maybe if ID4 never happened this would have been more enjoyable I would have loved it when I was 14 years old. Not in my late 30s

I liked it. But the Hype it has gotten was not even close to what it delivered
 
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mxgt

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I enjoyed it, but I leave disappointed.

The action scenes are fucking awesome, no doubt. But when Jaeger and Kaiju aren't on screen the movie just isn't fun or interesting and as much as I'd like to look past that, I can't.
 
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Agent Unknown

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Can't wait to see this, may this movie make a lot of money and destroy Sandler's latest garbage cash grab flick. Sorry if this has already been asked more than once but was there a Godzilla teaser attached?
 
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Loomba

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Just got back, fantastic movie! Although there was only 9 people total at my showing including me and my girlfriend, fucking travesty.
 
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Cow Mengde

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Agent Unknown said:
Can't wait to see this, may this movie make a lot of money and destroy Sandler's latest garbage cash grab flick. Sorry if this has already been asked more than once but was there a Godzilla teaser attached?
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Nope, there was a dedication to Ishiro Honda at the end credits, but that's it.
 
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Anton Sugar

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Smiles and Cries said:
I'll drop my vote as well in the Man of Steel vs. Pacific Rim thing going on in this thread since I just came back from seeing both and MoS surprised me as the better film sorry

I cringed way too much during Pacific Rim I am a huge Manga and Anime nut so I wanted to love it but seriously it was hard to get into it. Amazing visuals though but what I do love about Anime and Manga is that they do try hard to be a little deep even with crazy stories.

Maybe if ID4 never happened this would have been more enjoyable I would have loved it when I was 14 years old. Not in my late 30s

I liked it. But the Hype it has gotten was not even close to what it delivered
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I think they're both dumb action movies, but Pacific Rim is aware that its a dumb action movie and plays with it. Man of Steel/Snyder lacks awareness of its own shortcomings.
 
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Agent Unknown

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Cow Mengde said:
Nope,
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Unbelievable. Very disappointing and a huge missed opportunity. Two movies from the exact same genre and studio, only a year apart and no teaser? Wow. Even if they didn't have enough new footage yet, they could have at least tried to put something together using material from the Comic Con trailer. Guess we'll have to hope someone at CC gets something better this year.

...there was a dedication to Ishiro Honda at the end credits, but that's it.
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Very cool.
 
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ScraftyDevil

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It's go time.

Today, at the edge of our seats; at the end of our wait, we have chosen not only to believe in ourselves, but in this movie. Today there's not a man or woman in here who shall sit alone. Today, we face the naysayers that are at our door and take the fight to them! Today, we are cancellin' the bomb!
 
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jett

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I have survived the cancelling of the apocalypse.

I thought it was good fun, and delivered on what was promised. The trailers showed exactly what the movie was: awesome giant robot on giant alien action, more or less non-existent everything else. The only real negative is the music, the composer literally recycled his themes from Iron Man 1.
 
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erpg

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I loved it.

Can't get over one thing I would love to see in a Blu-ray release though. When Cherno Alpha has a kaiju in a headlock and you see that it has the ability to extend its fist: I want more punching. I want it to slowly ramp up the mechanical, piston punching speed and treat that thing like a punching bag for a good five seconds.
 
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BattleMonkey

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Was awesome fun, what popcorn films should be without being retarded like Transformers. Simple, action packed, and just a tight package.

Went to the big adults only theater which usually sells out quick and you have to order tix online in advance usually. Showing for WWZ at the same time was sold out, but our Pacific Rim showing had only 8 people in it. :(
 
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