CyberpunkGod
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As far as I know, yes, it still sucks.
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Payday 2 |OT| See you at the safe house.
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Jay Shadow
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New patch being deployed. No full patch notes yet, but here's a taste:
- Update #11 brings new, free content to everyone that owns PAYDAY 2 on Steam!
- All new Diamond Store Heist added!
- Revamped in-game systems based on community feedback.
- Four new masks, patterns and materials!
- Changes to the Nightclub and the Big Oil Heists.
- New reload animations for the Deagle, new VO and better weapon sounds.
- And much, much more...
GhostWriter24
Member
Is this game awesome? How well does it set itself apart from other shooters?
It would be far more awesome if all of the content would be available to you out of the gate. Sadly it follows the current trend of levelling up, and not unlocking weapons and missions (!) the more you play.
The core game is super fun, but the leveling restrictions are a bit of a pain.
Iced_Eagle
Member
David Goldfarb (game director) has been tweeting about some of the changes.
All from: https://twitter.com/locust9
- New Diamond Story Heist
- Reworked Night Club and Big Oil
- AI Crew have been buffed
- Weapon and difficulty rebalance across the board (bring a big gun for OVK)
- Economy has been refocused toward getting bags
- 4 new masks/patterns/materials
- Kick filter added
- ECM feedback doesn't spaz civilians
- Flashbangs scale w/ difficulty
- Combat medic works
- Improved cash card payout
- Added XP cards
- Escape driver asset added so you pay = you getaway
- Tons of bug fixes / skill tweaks
Can't wait for the full patch list!
*Edit* Glad that AI actually carrying bags is on their list too, but it's not in this patch he said. I tried doing a mission with the AI once. I won't play with the AI again until that's fixed, but obviously playing this with friends is the most fun anyways.
All from: https://twitter.com/locust9
- New Diamond Story Heist
- Reworked Night Club and Big Oil
- AI Crew have been buffed
- Weapon and difficulty rebalance across the board (bring a big gun for OVK)
- Economy has been refocused toward getting bags
- 4 new masks/patterns/materials
- Kick filter added
- ECM feedback doesn't spaz civilians
- Flashbangs scale w/ difficulty
- Combat medic works
- Improved cash card payout
- Added XP cards
- Escape driver asset added so you pay = you getaway
- Tons of bug fixes / skill tweaks
Can't wait for the full patch list!
*Edit* Glad that AI actually carrying bags is on their list too, but it's not in this patch he said. I tried doing a mission with the AI once. I won't play with the AI again until that's fixed, but obviously playing this with friends is the most fun anyways.
BibiMaghoo
Member
Update is up, and it's a big one guys and girls.
CyberpunkGod
Member
Damn, that looks like a really nice update.
dont be, update is garbage
I like the new difficulty, but there's no reward.
I would get at least 800k playing Bank Heist stealth. Just did two and hte most I got was 150k. EXP also decreased
Full stealth Firestarter, 19 additional bags = 375k. Pre-patch I would get 1.5 minimum.
Did you miss the part where they added a new heist (Diamond Store).
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
Yeah, payoff is terrible and the weapon charts are all inaccurate as hell. Also the new bulldozer mechanic seems to be "Send 3 in and then send in 3 more because fuck you" and that isn't really very fun at all. The increased difficulty with damage is crazy but I think the increased damage overall on other weapons makes it an easier pill to swallow. The totally garbage payoff however is not excusable.
On another Firestarter, we had 3 Dozers on the initial attack wave.
Shotguns are pretty bad now. I've had to two shot people in front of me, and at medium to long range you don't even tickle the enemy. Last game I ended up switching to the CAR4 and it seems to be a lot more effective. but as an enforcer, I have shotgun bonuses. AR does nothing for me.
Also, the damage they do on Overkill is absolutely ridiculous. I have the best armor and it still only takes 1-3 shots to completely take down my armor. I can't imagine how it works if you're wearing the light armor or no armor, it's probably instant custody
Again I like the difficulty, but there's just no reward for playing it. You get no money, no exp and if you get bored of your setup and want to try out a different one, you're fucked. It would cost me about 6 million to respec, which I'm going to have to do because shotguns aren't even worth using on Overkill anymore.
I just did Bank Heist: Gold Pro OK in full stealth and with all of the deposit boxes cleaned out for additional bags. The reward for it was barely more than 100K...
I'm level 100 right now, but I really feel for those people who are still leveling, and are looking at Tier 6 skills being 1mil+ to Ace. For me, a lot of the fun I had was constantly toying with new builds, experimenting with different weapon mod setups. Overkill just put all of that out of reach financially for new players in one fell swoop.
I'm level 100 right now, but I really feel for those people who are still leveling, and are looking at Tier 6 skills being 1mil+ to Ace. For me, a lot of the fun I had was constantly toying with new builds, experimenting with different weapon mod setups. Overkill just put all of that out of reach financially for new players in one fell swoop.
CyberpunkGod
Member
That doesn't sound good at all.
I was hoping to level up to 100 before GTAV came out, but lol I guess I can forget about that. It takes absolutely forever to level up on console and I see no console patch coming in the near future. Sounds like I would be damned without the patch or damned with it now if patch 11 was included.
I was hoping to level up to 100 before GTAV came out, but lol I guess I can forget about that. It takes absolutely forever to level up on console and I see no console patch coming in the near future. Sounds like I would be damned without the patch or damned with it now if patch 11 was included.
O.DOGG
Member
Wow, that sounds pretty bad. I stopped playing about two weeks ago at level 73 with 30+ mil but I can see how this would really discourage experimenting unless they make weapon modding free (which it should've been from the start) and lower the prices for respecking. I'll probably wait a few more weeks until they sort all of this out.
Yea, no kidding. This only limits creative builds even more.
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
Weapons and mods cost more by the way. The Mosconi used to cost 500k on the dot, it now costs almost a cool million. One of the starting rifles got bumped from 10k to 90k, making it even harder for new players to obtain and dig themselves out of the hole that the terrible default rifle leaves them with.
NuclearSpy
Member
This new update sounds terrible. It looks like this just stacks any possibility of new people coming in and able to enjoy the game. I don't get this.
So wait, they not only changed the amount you get from a heist but also increased the cost of everything? It seems like just doing one or the other would be enough but that's a little overboard doing both. I guess it's good I have the weapons I want but it's bad enough getting the mods you want for the weapon you want and now you have to worry about price on top of that?
Questionable decision here because making it more of a grind doesn't suddenly increase replayability. Variety does.
It's not supposed to be like that, according to Goldfarb. Something's wrong: https://twitter.com/FictitiousSandw/status/378784633195741185
figures
while they've had some dodgy decisionmaking, getting less money from the same things really sounded weird.
Well I guess that's it for me. Fuck trying to get to level 100 now. Maybe overkill should stop trying to kill grinding and instead concentrate on why the fuck people are grinding in the first place
I so think people really misremember payday 1's difficulty. It wasn't hard because the game decided to throw 15 specials at you at once. It was the complexity and coordination needed to do stealth and the many waves you had to survive due to how many steps you had to take to finish the mission.
dark_inferno
Member
The difficulty is somehow fucked up. Its like CoD where the difficulty is just increased by the aim and dmg output of enemies instead of AI.
The patch is okay besides the dmg Output, Bulldozer numbers, Weapon prices (bye bye newbies) and the payday.
The patch is okay besides the dmg Output, Bulldozer numbers, Weapon prices (bye bye newbies) and the payday.
SentryDown
Member
This new update is pretty garbage, here is the list of things I hate in it :
EDIT : they're currently fixing it (XP back to previous levels, armor too if I read well) : https://twitter.com/locust9
- grinding, grinding and grinding. Replaying 10 times the same heist to finally get a skill point.
- new money system make it imposible to respec
- increased difficulty could be a good if it didn't mean spawning 12548 buldozers at the same time
- the new heist is hardly new, I have the feeling to play Jewellery heist in a different map. Compared to the map they added in Payday 1 (No Mercy), there is a massive gap
- Titanium safes make stealth even harder and the picklocking ability is now even more useless
- AI is still stupid, solo Overkill is impossible
EDIT : they're currently fixing it (XP back to previous levels, armor too if I read well) : https://twitter.com/locust9
Im sorry but this was pisspoor game management, I grinded up to level 60, played the same damn heists over and over, in the expectation that it would be worth it, but it isnt, there is so little content and the balancing is so unbelievably fucked that you get to 60 and realise it was a waste of time. Now they are trying to rebalance it but the key point still remains, there is nothing to do past level 30 when you unlock a key skill. The new mission is terrible the ai is predictable and its impossible to get 3 people together because most people have seen through the bullshit.
This game could have been so much more.
This game could have been so much more.
CyberpunkGod
Member
Yeah, all of my friends have already stopped playing and most have moved on to other games. I doubt I'll ever see them playing it again, at least until some DLC comes out. A lot of them complained about the heists not holding their interest nearly as much as the ones in Payday The Heist, which I have to agree on.
papersleeves
Member
Are the console version patched yet?
CyberpunkGod
Member
No, still no word on it either.
Did I miss something? Female characters? Aww yeah?
https://twitter.com/locust9/status/380711047553761280/photo/1
https://twitter.com/locust9/status/380711047553761280/photo/1
If the AI is so predictable why the hell does 90% of the community absolutely fail at stealthing missions..
but yeah, the game does have some flaws with it. We need more things like Titan safes that benefit character specialists. I used to be an Enforcer, outside of Bank Heist and Big Oil Day 1, I felt pretty useless. Technicians are beyond useless in this game. I haven't seen anyone with a sentry gun since week 1
Given i quit a few weeks ago my points may be now out of date, but the community fails stealth missions because they are impatient, because requiring 4 stranges to get on and take orders IS too much. And the AI was predictable meaning that every mission that could be stealthed could be stealthed solo because all it required was executing smooth talker and intimidate in a correct order.
I was in a public lobby game a while back and someone asked my thoughts on the subject, and how I felt about the fact that I was stuck playing a male character.
I told them that I kind of envisioned a Crimson Viper style character as being my vision of a female character design that would fit the game well:
That screenshot from the twitter is basically along those lines (although less flamboyant). I'm all for it.
They said they where planning this during beta along with those splinter cell mofos and safehouse customization.
Also me and my friends have stopped playing until they fix the EXP rate.
O.DOGG
Member
Yeah, XP and cash rewards work fine now. Overkill difficulty is harder and I'm all for that. They made the game fun again! Now only if they'd remove that 9 mask limit...
dark_inferno
Member
Am i the only one who hates the new difficulty mode? Not getting anything for failing a pro job is so damn frustrating now and overall the game isnt fun anymore.
I stopped playing the game. Payday 1 was hard and it was good on hard. But now with body armor for enemies and yourself the whole game just got shittier.
Well... it was a good time.
I stopped playing the game. Payday 1 was hard and it was good on hard. But now with body armor for enemies and yourself the whole game just got shittier.
Well... it was a good time.