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[maquiladora]

Last time i played one of their games (unmodded), i expelled jews from my realm and confiscated their gold.

Yikes...

 

[SkeptiMism]

Said Paradox in a statement to Eurogamer:

“We shipped the game originally with an accurate representation of humans, that is to say diverse in both ethnicity and personality. We embrace the idea that players mod the game to best represent how they want to play, we do NOT however wish to enable discriminatory practices. We appreciate any inappropriate mods being brought to our attention and will take them down where necessary, we also encourage players to make use of the flagging function provided by Valve where needed.”

I'd easily classify the black only mod as discriminatory just like the white one.

How about this:

It wasn't the mod itself that led to its removal, though, but a change to its description that was made after it was posted. “We saw the mod, thought it wasn't in very good taste, but let it remain. Then the creator of the mod decided to update the description of the mod to promote an 'agenda' not related to computer games at all, and this was being clearly displayed on our product page,” Community Manager Paradoxal Bear wrote on Reddit. “We decided it was a step too far and removed it.”

From the OP. Be honest, did you read it at all?

 

[JackDT]

We have a few rules of conduct that have been in effect for the better part of a decade where racial slurs, among other things, are not allowed. We interpreted this particular mod as breaking those rules of conduct, however it would appear that the comments surrounding the mod, rather than the mod itself, were the biggest problem.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...tory-stellaris-mod-that-made-all-humans-white

 

[skullmuffins]

Said Paradox in a statement to Eurogamer:

“We shipped the game originally with an accurate representation of humans, that is to say diverse in both ethnicity and personality. We embrace the idea that players mod the game to best represent how they want to play, we do NOT however wish to enable discriminatory practices. We appreciate any inappropriate mods being brought to our attention and will take them down where necessary, we also encourage players to make use of the flagging function provided by Valve where needed.”

I'd easily classify the black only mod as discriminatory just like the white one.

There is still a white-only mod (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=688760542&searchtext=one+race) and an asian-only mod in addition to the black-only mod. Read the thread (or even just the OP). The mod wasn't removed simply because of its function.

 

[Chronicjihad]

How about this:



From the OP. Be honest, did you read it at all?

Right. Because "a few redditors" think that triggered it it must be true? I'd take official statements over hearsay of random internet SJW's any day, but that's just me.

 

[skullmuffins]

Right. Because "a few redditors" think that triggered it it must be true? I'd take official statements over hearsay of random internet skeleton's any day, but that's just me.

It wasn't the mod itself that led to its removal, though, but a change to its description that was made after it was posted. “We saw the mod, thought it wasn't in very good taste, but let it remain. Then the creator of the mod decided to update the description of the mod to promote an 'agenda' not related to computer games at all, and this was being clearly displayed on our product page,” Community Manager Paradoxal Bear wrote on Reddit. “We decided it was a step too far and removed it.”

.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

Last time i played one of their games (unmodded), i expelled jews from my realm and confiscated their gold.

Obligatory

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Right. Because "a few redditors" think that triggered it it must be true? I'd take official statements over hearsay of random internet SJW's any day, but that's just me.

.... a paradox staff member gave the follow-up explanation that has been quoted.

Reiterating:

It wasn't the mod itself that led to its removal, though, but a change to its description that was made after it was posted. “We saw the mod, thought it wasn't in very good taste, but let it remain. Then the creator of the mod decided to update the description of the mod to promote an 'agenda' not related to computer games at all, and this was being clearly displayed on our product page,” Community Manager Paradoxal Bear wrote on Reddit. “We decided it was a step too far and removed it.”

 

[SkeptiMism]

Right. Because "a few redditors" think that triggered it it must be true? I'd take official statements over hearsay of random internet SJW's any day, but that's just me.

This part:

“We saw the mod, thought it wasn't in very good taste, but let it remain. Then the creator of the mod decided to update the description of the mod to promote an 'agenda' not related to computer games at all, and this was being clearly displayed on our product page,”

..is not by some random redditor. That's a community manager from Paradox.

Do you not think it's plausible that the redditors are probably correct that it was the update of the description? What else do you think it might be? Are they just being dirty SJWs?

 

[Chronicjihad]

Yet their other statement said anything discriminatory would be removed from the workshop. Yet, the other race mods remain. I'm not debating why it was removed, I'm saying that there should be no race mods allowed whatsoever in accordance with their statements.

 

[Nillansan]

Good riddance.

 

[Atomski]

Yet their other statement said anything discriminatory would be removed from the workshop. Yet, the other race mods remain. I'm not debating why it was removed, I'm saying that there should be no race mods allowed whatsoever in accordance with their statements.

I don't really think it's that big of a deal. It is a role playing game. Someone may want to make a game world where the chinese get out and start colonizing planets. That's not racism.

Now if you start leaving weird racism sounding comments in the description and linking to a weird agenda YouTube page then your going over the line.

 

[Jintor]

The second someone drops the SJW bomb unironically you know which side their bread is buttered.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Yet their other statement said anything discriminatory would be removed from the workshop. Yet, the other race mods remain. I'm not debating why it was removed, I'm saying that there should be no race mods allowed whatsoever in accordance with their statements.

There are still white only mods available, as well as a mod that removes africans while leaving whites and asians. They do not have a blanket policy that you are not allowed to create custom versions of humanities that only have one of the available phenotypes, rather, this mod specifically was removed, for the stated reasons.

If you want to see their previous tackling of this issue when it happened a week or so back, see this thread on their official forum. In there, they stated more or less that there are "role playing" reasons one might want a mod.

If you make the same mod but state in the description that the intent of the mod is to make you happy because you don't like black people, then the same mod - functionally identical - would be deleted. If you posted the exact same mod with a link to your thinly veiled racist tirade against Muslim immigration into Europe, as the person in the OP's mod did, you will have your mod removed.

Edit: Goddamnit other mod

 

[SkeptiMism]

Yet their other statement said anything discriminatory would be removed from the workshop. Yet, the other race mods remain. I'm not debating why it was removed, I'm saying that there should be no race mods allowed whatsoever in accordance with their statements.

You got banned already (and I think anyone looking at your posts understands why, though you probably refuse to do that instead of looking at the mirror), but I'll reply anyway.

We embrace the idea that players mod the game to best represent how they want to play, we do NOT however wish to enable discriminatory practices

It says discriminatory practices. The mod isn't doing discriminatory practices in itself necessarily, but how the creator went on about most certainly was discriminatory.

 

[Hasney]

Yet their other statement said anything discriminatory would be removed from the workshop. Yet, the other race mods remain. I'm not debating why it was removed, I'm saying that there should be no race mods allowed whatsoever in accordance with their statements.

Jesus. One more time.

It wasn't the mod itself that led to its removal, though, but a change to its description that was made after it was posted

It wasn't the mod itself that led to its removal

It wasn't the mod

 

[MarioHead3]

Obligatory

 

[Atomski]

Edit: Goddamnit other mod

Nothing was getting through to the guy anyways we were all repeating the same thing and he was ignoring it.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

Yet their other statement said anything discriminatory would be removed from the workshop. Yet, the other race mods remain. I'm not debating why it was removed, I'm saying that there should be no race mods allowed whatsoever in accordance with their statements.

I'm not sure what's scarier, open racists, or racists that hide under the guise of equality.

 

[Dryk]

I'm not sure what's scarier, open racists, or racists that hide under the guise of equality.

Like I'm sure that there are people out there that want to roleplay a future where white people wiped out all the other races and then took their crusade to space. But let's be honest those people are a tiny minority.

 

[chaobreaker]

Yet they leave the black only mod still on the workshop. Real classy, Paradox.

Here's the mod:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=688751838

lol at the comments of that mod.

Particularly this one:

So if man a gay and black, it is tolerant.
If a man hate gays and blacks, it is racism.
If a man hate normal people and whites, it is tolerant. WTF???!!!
DOUBLE STANDARDS???!!!

Normal people, huh?

 

[AntChum]

lol at the comments of that mod.

The real irony in some of those comments is that the mod maker has also created other versions of that same mod for other races, including whites.

 

[DR2K]

The mod was ok. The description was not. You can be a racist make it known, just please don't put it into words. That's the offensive part.

 

[SmiteOfHand]

lol at the comments of that mod.

tol·er·ance (noun) - man a gay and black

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

The mod was ok. The description was not. You can be a racist make it known, just please don't put it into words. That's the offensive part.

There are legitimate non-racist reasons to use a one-human-race mod, since this developer's games are all about "what-if" scenarios. Even their otherwise historically-accurate medieval Europe game has an official expansion that enables the Aztecs to invade Europe. The guy in question just so happened to make it clear that his mod existed for racist purposes.

 

[chaobreaker]

Ironically, the majority of humanity will probably all be a mix of brown skin tones and Asian ancestry by the time we discover faster than light travel.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

lol at the comments of that mod.

Particularly this one:

Normal people, huh?

Reminds me of this

 

[Steel]

Same guy put the same mod back up with the following description instead:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=690928807&searchtext=European

DISCLAIMER:
Well hello all! Hasn't this been a wild ride of lies and slander?

Here is the original mod by the original mod creator (Lord Xel / Progeny of Europe)

This is really just being uploaded as an experiment to test how far Paradox will lie about banning my other mod.

So here are the 'rules' imposed by PARADOX:
1) I can't mention a certain non-offensive commonly used word
2) I can't link to my YouTube Channel - Paradox specifically slandered it.
3) NO COMMENTS THAT ARE EVEN REMOTELY TRIGGERRING FOR SWEDES

Please, any comments that will trigger Paradox and send them into an irrational fit of lies will be removed.


These are the three "reasons" why my other mod was taken down - so lets enforce them, eh?

If you are going to leave a comment, talk as though you are talking to the Stasi.

Since Paradox never contacted me and only gave conflicting reports to gaming media about why they removed my mod, I can only go off of what they said. If we abide by these new rules that they just made up we should be able to prevent it getting taken down.

What this mod does:
Simply makes humans Europeans and adds a name list for European names.

Use it as a mod resource, everyone is free to use and reupload to your hearts content.
Make modding freedom great again.

*sigh* To top it all off he ended by showing he's a Trump supporter.

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

Same guy put the same mod back up with the following description instead:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=690928807&searchtext=European




*sigh* To top it all off he ended by showing he's a Trump supporter.

Stay classy.

 

[Steel]

Stay classy.

Oh, just noticed this nugget of a topic in the discussions section:

Idea for a new mod
We need to show Paradox that we are inclusive and what not. So how bout if you make a mod that changes everyone to monkeys with names like Tyrone, Daquan and Ooga Booga?

I hate humanity.

 

[Tacitus_]

Triggering for Swedes, lul. Someone is really butthurt - one might even say triggered - by that reddit slapfight between /r/the_donald and /r/sweden. /r/sweden even won that by drowning them in shitposts and memes.

 

[Mudcrab]

DO NOT TRIGGER THE SWEDES

What slander is this dude talking about?

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

DO NOT TRIGGER THE SWEDES

What slander is this dude talking about?

He got accused of being a white supremacist just for agreeing with white supremacists on the topic of white supremacy.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Same guy put the same mod back up with the following description instead:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=690928807&searchtext=European

*sigh* To top it all off he ended by showing he's a Trump supporter.

Pretty sure this puts to rest any discussion of whether he's actually a piece of shit or a victim of the war against free speech.

 

[Armaros]

He got accused of being a white supremacist just for agreeing with white supremacists on the topic of white supremacy.

And linking to white supremacist YouTube videos.

 

[Dyson Industries]

Maybe Mark Kern can get behind this one too

 

[Marmaladefire]

Good for Paradox. Do those in this thread that are upset about this also believe that all non white characters in games are added as diversity pandering?

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

Eurogamer editorial about this whole incident.

I agree for the most part.

 

[Ucchedavāda]

Eurogamer editorial about this whole incident.

I agree for the most part.

The author did not do their homework.
They claim that it was Paradox who locked the discussion on /r/Stellaris, but /r/Stellaris is a community run subreddit. Paradox employees occasionally post to this subreddit, but they do not control it. Consequently, the authors plea for Paradox to not "ignore the problem and avoid further controversy on your subreddit" is just nonsensical.