PCs are better than consoles argument tree
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SamastahSukhino
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I have a pc and my Xbox hooked up to a monitor. Unless I literally play the same game and switch back and forth, I can't tell the difference in graphics or resolution. I just did it with battlefront. Xbox(720p) and pc(ultra/1080p)and couldn't tell the difference, except for the aliasing on some of the poles and lines. However, my eyes do see faster than 30fps so any multi plat game that doesn't run 60 will be purchased on pc. If I had to say which one I prefer, I would say my pc. play old games at max settings/framerates, games are really cheap, and the refund system on steam and origin is a godsend. Value wise pc is better, for me at least.
Post this in the PC building thread - and I have a PC which is the same with a 960 and I'm running most modern games maxed out at 1050p. What you're suggesting is more than sufficient.
glassgannon
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Thanks...the whole wii u+3ds emulators being a thing prompted me to get one...
also, my ps3 broke down recently so i need something for my cheap games fix.
was considering getting a 3ds but i honestly couldnt justify it with an emulator on the horizon(i know itll be a while).
figured it was time. Considering im a software developer and programmer , it shouldnt be too bad an investment even if it isnt miles ahead of a ps4 in power.I wouldnt need need to buy peripherals since i can just pick them up from my work place (not stealing lol).
also, i dont want my laptop to melt one of these days
Well, the quote you posted was about "why not both". I'm just saying people can enjoy a lot of the great games on PC without any hassle or cost, and should give it a try. I think the idea that the PC has to be equivalent or stronger than consoles is confusing a lot of people to the fact many, many games don't have very high requirements at all!
So, in summary, buy Undertale.
It doesn't seem confined to tiny vocal minority to me.
This, better graphics and higher framerate is a nice bonus, but the big reason i play on PC is because i prefer M+KB to a controller and sitting at a desk. I don't even play lots of demanding games, 99% of my gaming is WoW and csgo, both easy to run games.
Trust me, it is.
So, in other words, you dont actually have a point.
Tainted
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This is the only argument about it that needs to happen:
If any post deserved 1st post in this thread...it was this one.
Gipsy Danger
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Bootador83
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I honestly don't think I'm missing out on anything by avoiding a PC nowerdays. The very best indies and most mainstream invariably find their way to consoles.
Yes there's the long term value proposition and power benefit of PC gaming, but I'd much rather have access to everything more or less.
Bloodborne and Horizon 2 are 2 of my favourite games this gen and both are exclusive so I'd have missed out on these. And that's not even counting the exclusive heavy Wii U
(I still have a modest laptop for Football Manager but don't consider it a gaming device outside of that)
Yes there's the long term value proposition and power benefit of PC gaming, but I'd much rather have access to everything more or less.
Bloodborne and Horizon 2 are 2 of my favourite games this gen and both are exclusive so I'd have missed out on these. And that's not even counting the exclusive heavy Wii U
(I still have a modest laptop for Football Manager but don't consider it a gaming device outside of that)
Then I get to say platform warriors are representative of all console gaming.
Your argument is dumb.
That and avoiding pc is a contradiction.
Gipsy Danger
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Contradiction you say? Talk about all the best indies coming to consoles, but they don't have THE BEST INDIE.
You bought the two machines with the most overlap?
Bootador83
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It's not, yes some stuff comes over a year later but it still arrives (Rogue Legacy, Swapper, Divinity Original Sin)
Of course I'll miss some stuff but I'm confident most will find its way to console in time.
Always-honest
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Pfff... just buy a pc or a console if you want. It's all there for you to enjoy people.
I'm sure we all know the pros and cons of both.
I'm sure we all know the pros and cons of both.
Gipsy Danger
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Steam has 7000 games on it. I don't think most of those are ending up on PS4/Xbone/Wii U. Play the games you want to play but you're crazy if you think consoles will see half the great games that are on PC.
Bootador83
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I presume you mean Undertale, but in 18 months they probably will.
Anyway don't want to get into an argument, just relaying my own flawed thought process.
It is. The pc got the most exclusive games out of all platforms. If you think otherwise you're blatantly misinformed.
Gipsy Danger
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I didn't mean Undertale. I linked the game I meant.
Although I did find this tweet from the dev of Undertale (Which I still need to play
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dragonyeuw
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How did you arrive at the bolded, and what age is that? I'm a 37 year old family man that just had a PC built back in March, and I've spent very little time tinkering with settings. In fact my experience so far has been incredibly smooth. The great thing is whether you just want simple plug and play, or like to tinker, the option is there to make the experience your own. I thought the same thing 'ehhh, can't be bothered with all the stuff that comes with PC gaming.' Till I got into it, now I'm struggling to find a good reason to buy either of the current consoles( asides from a Wii U, which I bought early 2013), as the PC perfectly fits my current gaming needs.
I've played via steam a variety of indies and AAA titles, and other than the initial installation and setting the desired video quality levels, my experience has been as 'plug and play' as the the more recent consoles, considering all the updates they go through. I can't recall the last time I turned on either and jumped right into a game, without *something* needing to be updated.
Gipsy Danger
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Go home and be a family man.
derExperte
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Gipsy Danger
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What Hektor means is that on PC you have access to a vast library of games spanning more than 30 years, something you can't get on any console. Sure, there are specific emulated games on certain consoles, like Nintendo's VC or Sony's PS1/2 Classics, but they don't feature the entire catalog of those old platforms.
On PC, retrocompatibility is mostly eternal, and when a game doesn't run on a particular OS, you can launch DOSBox or a virtual machine and play it there.
Arc Christelle
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My only problem with PC gaming is how so many publishers/devs don't seem to give a fuck when it comes to their releases at times.
Gotta agree, I play some indies on my pc, AAA gaming is done on ps4 and i also have a high end phone for some gaming.
XAMOEL_ART
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I dunno, PC is to play Mame and DOSBOX to me 
Is that what you're getting from all of this? A few sarcastic comments and you jump to "oh no PC elitists are ruining everything"
SmokedMeat
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Having access to everything entails not only the latest games, but older titles as well. PC shines in this regard.
I was out of the PC gaming scene since 2001, but it was pretty cool to install my old copy of NOLF and play it after all these years.
odhiex
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For me is always simple:
PCs are better than consoles in a lot of ways.
While, consoles are better than PCs in a lot of different reasons.
I was mainly a PC gamer, exclusively, when I'm in college. Now I have a full time job, a little family and I own consoles. I love them all, no further question about it.
PCs are better than consoles in a lot of ways.
While, consoles are better than PCs in a lot of different reasons.
I was mainly a PC gamer, exclusively, when I'm in college. Now I have a full time job, a little family and I own consoles. I love them all, no further question about it.
Gipsy Danger
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You haven't read the thread then. There are problem people on both sides of this imaginative fence.
Saucycarpdog
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False actually. As developers prefer to develop for PC over console by quite a lot. From my perspective, this is an objective fact.
Finaika
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PC definitely has more power.
th4tguy
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The last thing that tree needs is more responses. It's huge. Few people will see this and actually read it.
As for the best reason to go PC over console? For me, I'd say the best reason is flexibility. How well a game runs (assuming no technical faults) is entirely up to you and your wallet. You want the game to run at 4k 120fps, Well, you can but it's going to cost you. At the opposite end, if you don't care you can get a fairly cheap laptop and run the game bare minimum for far less. Options.
JimmyRustler
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I've been a console only gamer for over a decade before I bought an high end PC earlier this year.
More than 6 months in I find myself barely playing any games on PS4 any more. It's not that I don't like playing on a console any more and I would never sell my PS4 but by now I find it hard to justify playing games on it.
Mulitplats simply run and look a lot better on my PC (hard to go back to sub 60 fps once your used to it) and there aren't many console exclusives not releasing on PC any more. Also, games are generally a lot cheaper on PC (and I find myself buying a shitload of them).
So it's not really about preference imo. If you have both high end PC and consoles, PC is just logical choice for most games. I mean, what would be the reason no to?
More than 6 months in I find myself barely playing any games on PS4 any more. It's not that I don't like playing on a console any more and I would never sell my PS4 but by now I find it hard to justify playing games on it.
Mulitplats simply run and look a lot better on my PC (hard to go back to sub 60 fps once your used to it) and there aren't many console exclusives not releasing on PC any more. Also, games are generally a lot cheaper on PC (and I find myself buying a shitload of them).
So it's not really about preference imo. If you have both high end PC and consoles, PC is just logical choice for most games. I mean, what would be the reason no to?
Its crazy how many people who completely failed to see the point of this thread and then proceeded to do exactly what the tree mocks.
ViolentP
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The problem as I see it is some people like to have the superiority argument. The issue with this is that they omit some very important factors when gauging superiority.
A PC comes with greater performance but the tradeoff is a required attention to the parts that make up the whole.
A console, though less performing than a PC yet still very adequate, allows a user to not concern themselves with the minor details and earns them the ability to plug and play.
These options cover most of the people that have one major thing in common, a love of gaming. We should be content that we have options at all. When you say your option is better than the other, you are denying the respect to understand that one persons situation may be very different than yours and that they may have found the option that was right for them. We should all be so lucky.
So whether you want to keep it simple, or you want to get down and dirty, there is an option for you. Your opinion needs no defending.
A PC comes with greater performance but the tradeoff is a required attention to the parts that make up the whole.
A console, though less performing than a PC yet still very adequate, allows a user to not concern themselves with the minor details and earns them the ability to plug and play.
These options cover most of the people that have one major thing in common, a love of gaming. We should be content that we have options at all. When you say your option is better than the other, you are denying the respect to understand that one persons situation may be very different than yours and that they may have found the option that was right for them. We should all be so lucky.
So whether you want to keep it simple, or you want to get down and dirty, there is an option for you. Your opinion needs no defending.
The truth is somewhere in between, I'm saying it may be a lot higher than GAFers downplay it to be.
For example r/pcmasterrace has 475k subscribers, hot on the heels of the older r/games 660k. Anecdotally, my friends are using the term "master race" and "peasant" fairly often, when we have not engaged in platform tribalism in 2 decades of multiplatform gaming.
This is a GGish angry jack vibe that we refuse to admit that it's a growing subculture within ourselves and may be part of it.
CambriaRising
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It's shit like this that gives you guys a bad rap, joking or not.
Great post. There are far too many people on both sides that needs to chill and just let people enjoy whatever.
That doesn't mean informing another person about their reasons for choosing a platform is an attack on your platform of choice, either. I see that a lot in these threads.
Everyone needs to stop taking their hobbies so damn seriously.
Steve Youngblood
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Yeah. I touched on that earlier, but I agree. I understand that this isn't for everyone. Some people just want to buy a piece of hardware and then have software optimized for that config. Even more importantly to them, they might desire that everyone else playing it in multiplayer is playing at the same settings. And I get that. It's fine.
But personally, even though it can be annoying at times trying to figure out what's causing less than desirable performance with a game (is it my settings? Do I need to roll back my driver? Is some background process causing performance issues? etc.), I like that I have options to get a game running the way I want.
Even if an upgrade isn't in the cards, customization settings mean I can tweak a game the way I want. Don't need a rock solid frame rate? I'm bumping up the settings. Can deal with lower quality graphics settings in exchange for a higher framerate? I'm bumping everything down as low as it can go.
alexandros
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So what do you think "it" is, exactly? Do you believe that these "pc master race" people seriously consider "console peasants" to be inferior human beings? A lower class? Do you actually believe that?
Bullshit.
The only thing stopping me from gaming exclusively on the PC is the "exclusives" I'd miss out on on consoles.
If exclusive games didn't exist then I'd have no reason to pick up a console. I'd rather game at 1440p at 60fps with everything cranked to ultra. I can only dream about what the likes of driveclub would be like at high resolutions and 60fps for example.
Consoles would still have their place even without exclusives, as despite what some people try and say, the PC is not as user friendly as a console, and some people don't want to spend more than what a console would cost them.
I don't mind paying more, as I am willing to pay for the extra performance I get.
If exclusive games didn't exist then I'd have no reason to pick up a console. I'd rather game at 1440p at 60fps with everything cranked to ultra. I can only dream about what the likes of driveclub would be like at high resolutions and 60fps for example.
Consoles would still have their place even without exclusives, as despite what some people try and say, the PC is not as user friendly as a console, and some people don't want to spend more than what a console would cost them.
I don't mind paying more, as I am willing to pay for the extra performance I get.
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