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Penn State football pedophilia thread (UPDATE: NCAA sanctions handed down)
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I think most know it's likely not happening.
Count Dookkake
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Sure beats fucking kids for decades.
Neuromancer
Member
The sculptor is all assed up about his statue possibly being taken down.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-07-20/paterno-statue-sculptor-wants-decision-to-wait
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-07-20/paterno-statue-sculptor-wants-decision-to-wait
Knux-Future
Banned
The thing I don't get from both sides mind you is that...
it's just a fucking statue.
Taking it down isn't gonna punish anyone.
and if it's not there it's not like all your memories of the dude will be taken away too.
In the end its just a statue of a very flawed old man.
I feel like people are wasting time worrying if it gets taken down or not.
Does it really matter that much?
it's just a fucking statue.
Taking it down isn't gonna punish anyone.
and if it's not there it's not like all your memories of the dude will be taken away too.
In the end its just a statue of a very flawed old man.
I feel like people are wasting time worrying if it gets taken down or not.
Does it really matter that much?
perfectchaos007
Member
We're not talking about a guy who hit a kid, or a guy who cheated on his wife, or a guy who was caught smoking weed on campus. We are talking about a guy who enabled a child rapist for more than a decade. So yes, this absolutely overrides all the good stuff he did on the side of enabling child rape to occur.
EatinOlives
Member
I think it's mostly about what the action (or inaction) represents. Taking it down means the university's higher ups are finally shaking off their belief that Paterno is untouchable and that the culture of unconditional worship has to stop. Keeping it means the university is still going to try to preserve the long-term memory as one that effectively ignores this incident, and that's completely disrespectful to all the victims that had this happen to them.
In the end it's just a pile of metal, but whether it goes or stays speaks a lot about the culture of the university and how people are reacting on it.
ConradCervantes
Banned
"A lot of people aren't putting things into perspective right now."
Fuck you, you asshole. I hope some drunk saws the statue's head off and throws it at your door step.
Symbolism is at the heart of Penn States problems. Tearing down those symbols will help reset values.
Roland Garros
Banned
I would agree with this. It's frustrating that we can't articulate this line of argument without people taking it out of context and overreacting, so I understand what you're saying.
Emotion needs to be removed from the decision-making process at Penn State (this goes both ways) so I understand them waiting until the media interest wanes.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
People lining up around the block to take a picture with the statue.
What is wrong with people?
I'm a PSU grad and I have loved and respected JoePa for most of my life, but damn thats ridiculous. Ostrich's with their heads in the sand. Who wants their picture taken next to a statue of a man who did what he did? JoePa did a hell of a lot of good things, but he allowed a child rapist to keep on raping kids simply because it was beneficial for himself and his legacy. No man like that deserves a statue....
Agreed.
Emotion on the Penn St side will never be removed entirely. Not for years, at least.
Which means if we wait until emotion cools on the other side, when people stop paying so much attention, it will default to things staying more or less in worship-JoePa mode.
In short, I disagree. Changes need to happen while there's still strong emotion on a national level to bring pressure to bear on PSU.
Knux-Future
Banned
Don't you think they'd still worship him regardless of a statue being there or not?
Hell I can see then NCCA dropping the hammer leading to more woe is me...we are being persecuted nonsense.
This decision is very interesting in seeing how people react. I have no idea what actually should be done since both sides have a point (It is crazy how cult like shit is...and yet nuking the program would also nuke the happy valley economy).
This is a situation in which one side will be pissed and fcuked over in the end.
Hell I can see then NCCA dropping the hammer leading to more woe is me...we are being persecuted nonsense.
This decision is very interesting in seeing how people react. I have no idea what actually should be done since both sides have a point (It is crazy how cult like shit is...and yet nuking the program would also nuke the happy valley economy).
This is a situation in which one side will be pissed and fcuked over in the end.
Count Dookkake
Member
So let's rule in favor of the side that has not supported a child rape enabler.
Are you saying that shielding child rapists is acceptable in our modern society?
That comparison doesn't make any fucking sense.
Knux-Future
Banned
That would be easy but how about the business owners and students(who don't necessarily supports a child rape enabler) who are caught in the crossfire?
It would be great if PSU getting the hammer would lead to people changing their cultist ways and perhaps finally realizing how fucked up things are but honestly I'd think that would lead to even more cult like behavior because they'd be the ones getting "punished" in their minds.
But the ones who have nothing to do with it, could lose their jobs, have to uproot and move (not always that easy), and potentially it could kill the school.
Sure, it would make the "FUCK DEM BITCHES" crowd happy but what of the students ho aren't insane or the dudes and dudettes trying to make a living?
I know this entire situation is fucked up and someone must pay but does the ones who have to pay have to be the one who have nothing to do with it? Sandusky is in jail. Paterno died knowing he probably fucked up everything he built. Hopefully everyone else involved gets fucked in someway too. But those guys won't be effected by any punishments against the school...because they are all gone.
and yet I wouldn't be mad if the school did get hit but it's just that I don't think it will have the effect some of you think it will. Mainly the people who need to pay won't be the ones greatly effected by it.
Maybe there is a better way?
I like Saban's solution of the football proceeds going towards the family's effected.
who knows, I just want to see the outcome at this point.
They are going to have to suffer. Find new schools and jobs. It's lousy, but not doing anything is following the same trend that got them into this entire mess.
If football getting the death penalty would kill the school, it would be because of lost money. In which case, all football proceeds going to the families would have exactly the same effect.
Knux-Future
Banned
Yeah I guess.
There really isn't a perfect way to do this.
You don't and the idiots don't learn.
You do and the innocent are punished too (and the idiots may still not learn...lol).
Gonna be interesting to see what happens.
Not necessarily...but I was mainly talking about the businesses who benefit from the insane income of people. But I see your point...like I said no perfect solution.
metalslimer
Member
Not in any way comparable. If a president had a hidden slave today or covered up raping a child I would say he should not have any statues anywhere. This situation is much more specific and the sooner that statue is removed the better off that school will be.
Edit: And as to the issue of people losing their jobs with the football program gone, that just makes every big football program immune to the death penalty because every big football program supplies many jobs to the community. At that point the head coaches could be killing children and you would have people saying the program couldn't go down. You have to draw a line somewhere and I think covering up child rape for such a long time is a good place to draw that lie.
I still doubt anything is going to happen, but yeah, it's lousy in every sort.
Joe Pizza Guy might lose his job because of the the football program not drawing. Problem is, Joe Pizza Guy has been collecting money directly (unknowingly) from the source of child rape.
Not jumping on you, but I would argue that you aren't as knowledgeable about American sports. There are many locations both professionally and collegially with communities relying on the cash flow of the sporting teams. That could be the town itself and in most cases, local businesses.
Penn State is one of the better examples.
It's a college town. There are students there 75% of the year; their business is not going to dry up just because there aren't football games being played.
It's possible businesses are getting some massive proportion of their income just from those 5-6 days, but outside of maybe hotels, that seems unlikely. I'd want to see some data.
True, but the football team averaged probably over a million fans per season. You do the math.
perfectchaos007
Member
80-100K per game with 6 home games is actually about half that, but close enough
Al-ibn Kermit
Junior Member
Yeah I just have to stop and say that this is an idiotic statement.
So... too big to fail?
The trustees continue to prove that they don't get it, and voters have only been voting in new psycho deniers. Something has to be done to shake up Penn State's institutionalized belief that football comes before everything else.
Count Dookkake
Member
Yeah, he really should have included all alumni and employees.
Without looking, I know they have had one season in the last decade or so with over a million fans. I would say even on the deluded seasons they still can easily bank 600-800 fans.
Either way, the point I'm trying to make still stands.
Yep, hiring anybody that has ever graduated from Penn State is a bad idea. Yep. Definitely,
20k students, probably a decent portion of the remaining 80k/game are locals. Still not convinced.
Probably includes away games.
Count Dookkake
Member
They could still be hired.
perfectchaos007
Member
Me neither
Who cares if they are locals? How are you not convinced?
I'll use the pizza shop again as the example. Business gets record revenue during football seasons. Why would they not lay-off extra staffing if they aren't making nearly the same amount?
ElectricBlanketFire
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It would certainly make employers think twice.
The premise is that football games bring in visitors, which increases local business a la tourism. Yes? If they're locals, they'll be patronizing those businesses regardless.
Well hang on, there's a bit of a difference between local businesses being run into the ground, as people have been implying and as I was arguing against, and businesses not receiving record revenues and thus not hiring extra staff.
I mean yeah, I could see that happening. Doesn't seem like a big enough deal to warrant not giving PSU the death penalty on their behalf.
Roland Garros
Banned
Again, this is an absurd, hyperbolic conclusion devoid of logic but dripping in froth-soaked emotion.
You're assuming the football program is the sole breadwinner at Penn State. (It's not).
Knux-Future
Banned
Outside of the badass run their volleyball team had...it kinda is.
I don't remember the last time their basketball team was relevant (although if Chambers was smart he'd use this as a chance to change that).
I don't think you understand what you're talking about. It's not "absurd" or "devoid of logic".
Make a counter point to why that person would retain his job when the business or stadium is no longer going to need extra employees?
Sirpopopop
Member
Roland Garros is obviously a Penn State guy masquerading as something else.
It's silly to assume anything else at this point.
Regardless,
http://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=36&tid=156401202&mid=156401202&sid=890&style=2
Quote from a Penn State board administrator.
It's silly to assume anything else at this point.
Regardless,
http://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=36&tid=156401202&mid=156401202&sid=890&style=2
Quote from a Penn State board administrator.
A snapshot of a Penn State board administrator's views on Joe Pa.
Censored to avoid riots?
You're right. It is easy. Should tell you something.
I don't think he's referring to sports. The vast majority of PSU's income comes from tuition, grants & appropriations, and the medical center. Football revenue is a drop in the bucket.
Sirpopopop
Member
I decided to link to the thread directly since the censor bug kept zapping me when trying to insert the image!
Bad image host, brah.Roland Garros is obviously a Penn State guy masquerading as something else.
It's silly to assume anything else at this point.
Regardless,
A snapshot of a Penn State board administrator's views on Joe Pa.
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