If the rumors are true, it is MUCH worse.
The "death penalty" as described by NCAA law is a 1 YEAR shutdown. That's it. ONE YEAR. It's not a permanent thing. No loss of scholarships. No bowl bans. Just a one year shutdown.
If the rumors are true, this is basically relegating their football team to irrelevance for years--maybe a decade or more.
And for people worried that this isn't strong enough because it wasn't the death penalty, fear not. It is as bad or worse. Penn State isn't going to be able to get the same kids it used to get. Sane parents aren't going to push their kids towards Penn State if they have other options. Penn State will be fielding teams full of players that no one else wanted for quite some time.
Take that stupid shit elsewhere.
Take your stupid shit elsewhere.
I want the people involved to be hammered as much as anyone else, but horrible saber rattling by the NCAA accomplishes NOTHING and is counter productive.
At the very least the NCAA should comp any student athlete at Penn State for the costs of transfer, room & board increase, travel for themselves and proximity of family, and so on if they choose to transfer from any sport.
The NCAA wants to spout off about helping the student athletes, so do so by comping them for what you think is hammering "Penn State" the name.
Money sure as hell isn't coming out of JoePa's or Sandusky's pension. It's coming out of the pockets of everyone from the womens lacrosse player to probably the biology major who doesn't even know what a football stadium looks like. Some justice.
I hope the transfer rule applies to all sports.
You fine a program that much money, its not football that's just hurt - its everything. Football FUNDS the entire athletic program. That money to staff the women's lacrosse team or take the cross country team anywhere comes from football revenue.
So what happens now? You tell some 17 girl who was excited about getting a softball scholarship, sorry, we can't take you on now thanks to the NCAA fine - because some guys you never met 10 years ago didn't report a sexual predator.
That's my problem with NCAA overstepping their bounds. Student athletes from even other sports are suffering from this. Hopefully they can transfer out easily or find an equal scholarship in the field they wanted at Penn State.
What part of this you guys still can't get.
Graham Spanier, joe not just protected Sandusky. but , mainly the PSU image and football. And all worked FOR PSU. So , yes, the 17 year old was taking full advantage of lies and protection of PSU. now since the lies and criminal act are exposed, the same 17 year old will have to face the other side.
this ridiculous argument is basically saying, why is a child punished and being deprived of a father, if it's father who did the crime.
they all benefited from PSU image and football money.
Take your stupid shit elsewhere.
I want the people involved to be hammered as much as anyone else, but horrible saber rattling by the NCAA accomplishes NOTHING and is counter productive.
At the very least the NCAA should comp any student athlete at Penn State for the costs of transfer, room & board increase, travel for themselves and proximity of family, and so on if they choose to transfer from any sport.
The NCAA wants to spout off about helping the student athletes, so do so by comping them for what you think is hammering "Penn State" the name.
Money sure as hell isn't coming out of JoePa's or Sandusky's pension. It's coming out of the pockets of everyone from the womens lacrosse player to probably the biology major who doesn't even know what a football stadium looks like. Some justice.
Your analogy is ridiculous, this is a criminal matter, of course a degree from anyone involved will hurt a family and it has.
This is akin to why is neighbor 20 blocks away being punished with firebombing when a father 10 years ago did the crime.
Your analogy is ridiculous, this is a criminal matter, of course a degree from anyone involved will hurt a family and it has.
This is akin to why is neighbor 20 blocks away who didn't even know the guy being punished with firebombing when a father 10 years ago did the crime.
No doubt about that but look at that crazy fan base. The fact that Penn St. is in the middle of nowhere is a huge help, what else do people have over there besides football?
Your analogy is ridiculous, this is a criminal matter, of course a degree from anyone involved will hurt a family and it has.
This is akin to why is neighbor 20 blocks away who didn't even know the guy being punished with firebombing when a father 10 years ago did the crime.
"Unbelievable," said a Penn State trustee informed of the NCAA statement, speaking to ESPN.com senior writer Don Van Natta Jr. "Unbelievable, unbelievable."
The Penn State trustees' hope that the statue's removal might send a positive message was trumped by the NCAA, which had already decided.
"Emmert has been given full reign by the pansy presidents (at other universities) to make his own decision," said the trustee, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "He has been given the authority to impose these unprecedented sanctions. It's horrible."
If the rumors are true, it is MUCH worse.
The "death penalty" as described by NCAA law is a 1 YEAR shutdown. That's it. ONE YEAR. It's not a permanent thing. No loss of scholarships. No bowl bans. Just a one year shutdown.
If the rumors are true, this is basically relegating their football team to irrelevance for years--maybe a decade or more.
The teams on PSU's schedule should refuse to play them, regardless of whatever penalties PSU receives.
Uh, no. A shutdown for 1 year or more means the loss of every single impact scholarship player (likely) and the loss of most, if not all, of the coaching staff. That's essentially having NO schlarships for a year or two, instead of a loss of 60 over how many years.
Football programs lose scholarships and postseason appearances all the time for NCAA infractions. And as someone already mentioned, just look at USC.
The Death Penalty is FAR worse. I don't know how anyone could argue otherwise.
The teams on PSU's schedule should refuse to play them, regardless of whatever penalties PSU receives.
You mean the sources literally saying that this is worse?
That would only hurt the schools themselves and the conference. Why would they want to do that?
I honestly can't tell if you're serious anymore.
Welp, sadly you are.
Your analogy is ridiculous, this is a criminal matter, of course a degree from anyone involved will hurt a family and it has.
This is akin to why is neighbor 20 blocks away who didn't even know the guy being punished with firebombing when a father 10 years ago did the crime.
But hey as long as a 'name' gets hurt, the shrapnel the everyday person gets hit with, its all worth it right?
What is incorrect about anything I'm saying?
You see a name, I see people completely uninvolved that take the brunt here. Where the fuck do you think this money comes from?
You think Sandusky had a hidden cult inside Penn State who's supporters are now grinding their teeth in realization at the millions they hoarded for years will now be lost as NCAA suits break in their ring of treachery?
Uh no. $60 mil comes from SOMEWHERE. And that somewhere is the students and the blue collar workers, who at this time last year at this time last year couldn't spell Sandusky.
They have to fund the remaining sports and with a big fine to pay and no football revenue, cuts are coming. Sorry in-state kid who took out student loans to get an education at the closest University possible - tack another $60 onto your bill as a University approved 'athletic fund' was passed to keep the other sports up and running and pay the tab. Doesn't matter if the only football you've watched in your life was in Charlie Brown - you're paying for some horribly misplaced punishment.
But hey as long as a 'name' gets hurt, the shrapnel the everyday person gets hit with, its all worth it right?
That would only hurt the schools themselves and the conference. Why would they want to do that?
Uh no. $60 mil comes from SOMEWHERE.
The teams on PSU's schedule should refuse to play them, regardless of whatever penalties PSU receives.
This quote made my day. You can practically taste the bitter tears.
PSU's football program deserves nothing less than a 10 year shutdown. That's enough time for most of the people who were on the immediate staff or on the board of trustees to be purged from the school. It's enough time for the cult mentality to fade as the current student body is will be gone. Start over in 2023 with 100% new everything.
If that were to happen, PSU would technically be undefeated.
Um, it really wouldn't. They'd just schedule some crappy I-AA team for a home game beatdown, like everyone else does when a scheduled game falls through.
Yeah. The endowment. And probably some of their big donors will step in with cash monies to "save softball" or whatever.
Uhm, yes, it really would. If Penn State didn't exist on the schedule, and wasn't on radio or tv and generating revenue for the conference and for the other schools that would most definitely hurt the other programs in the big10.
What is incorrect about anything I'm saying?
Uhm, yes, it really would. If Penn State didn't exist on the schedule, and wasn't on radio or tv and generating revenue for the conference and for the other schools that would most definitely hurt the other programs in the big10.
If every team scheduled a replacement game, it wouldn't have any effect on radio or tv.
Uh, no. A shutdown for 1 year or more means the loss of every single impact scholarship player (likely) and the loss of most, if not all, of the coaching staff. That's essentially having NO schlarships for a year or two, instead of a loss of 60 over how many years.
Football programs lose scholarships and postseason appearances all the time for NCAA infractions. And as someone already mentioned, just look at USC.
The Death Penalty is FAR worse. I don't know how anyone could argue otherwise.
Are you seriously trying to argue that an Ohio State/Coastal Carolina game would generate more revenue for the schools and conference than Ohio State/Penn State? really?
If that neighbor 20 block away took advantage of crime for 10 years, then YES, the neighbor needs to give that back.
Again, Graham Spanier, joe PA. DID NOT JUST PROTECT SANDUSKY , the protected the image of PSU football and all the money it bought to the institution. So the same 17 yr old lacrosse player that enjoyed that PSU football money like YOU SAID, now after the exposé of lies and crimes have to face the consequences.
Joe PA and Graham Spanier were protecting the institution. The institution has to pay the consequences. just like when they all benefited from the institution.
Pretty much everything. Your analogies for the most part are ill-thought out nonsense. This isn't "akin to why is neighbor 20 blocks away who didn't even know the guy being punished with firebombing when a father 10 years ago did the crime." What the hell does that even mean?
If you're looking for an analogy, try the sanctions the world placed on Iraq for many many years for sponsoring terrorism. Medicine and food supplies into the country were cut for most people. People that had no decision power with how Iraq sponsored terrorism suffered for the institution's crimes. A sad side-effect, but necessary to change the institution itself. Penn State the institution is being sanctioned here. If you're part of that institution, you're going to feel the effects of it. And I'm sure the hope is that all the suffering that is about to occur will positively change the culture of not just how Penn State handles their sports programs, but how the entire institution monitors their own sports programs and puts the fear of god into every other school to not behave as PSU did. This was an institutional failure. It's beside the point that Joe is dead, Jerry is in jail, and the others are gone.
OK, lets just ignore the scouts and high-level analysts that are saying otherwise.
Instead, we'll just take your word for it.
Pretty much everything. Your analogies for the most part are ill-thought out nonsense. This isn't "akin to why is neighbor 20 blocks away who didn't even know the guy being punished with firebombing when a father 10 years ago did the crime." What the hell does that even mean?
If you're looking for an analogy, try the sanctions the world placed on Iraq for many many years for sponsoring terrorism. Medicine and food supplies into the country were cut for most people. People that had no decision power with how Iraq sponsored terrorism suffered for the institution's crimes. A sad side-effect, but necessary to change the institution itself. Penn State the institution is being sanctioned here. If you're part of that institution, you're going to feel the effects of it. And I'm sure the hope is that all the suffering that is about to occur will positively change the culture of not just how Penn State handles their sports programs, but how the entire institution monitors their own sports programs and puts the fear of god into every other school to not behave similarly. This was an institutional failure. It's beside the point that Joe is dead, Jerry is in jail, and the others are gone.
Scouts and high level analysts? You mean the "sources"? Puh-lease.
The NCAA's punishement allows the program to continue operating, continue generating revenue for the big10 and its member institutions. It's a loss of 60 scholarships total and postseason bowl bans for who knows how long.
The alternative (death penalty) is a COMPLETE loss of scholarships for a year or more, guarantees the loss of your coaching staff and most of your current players.
You tell me which one of these two is more devastating.
Not to take sides here (as TheNatural should calm down a bit) but I think his point is that people who aren't benefiting from the money will have to pay for it due to the incoming cuts.
So your 17 year laccross player who was not affiliated with PSU until she got a scholarship now has to walk on elsewhere(for more money..perhaps further away...and perhaps she now doesn't make it) or go to PSU and pay more than she should because of the incoming fines....or something like that.
i think his point is that not everyone invloved is actually apart of the scandal but they are now apart of the punishment. So a biology major now have to pay extra to make up for the fines despite never benefiting from any of the football money.
That's his point...I think.
We went over this earlier tho and basically it's collateral damage at this point.
but she would right now would have taken advantage of the money made by the football team based on its institutional lies. And that money rightfully won't be there now.
SMH.
Penn State made money by lying? If they had reported Sandusky immediately nothing would have come of it, they wouldn't have lost money - and they made none protecting him.
They shouldn't send Sandusky to jail - what about his wife, his family, and the unmolested kids his charity might have helped? What's going to happen to them? Why should they be punished for his crimes? Totally unfair.
They shouldn't send Sandusky to jail - what about his wife, his family, and the unmolested kids his charity might have helped? What's going to happen to them? Why should they be punished for his crimes? Totally unfair.
Nothing would have come of Sandusky being reported back then...before he abused more kids?
SMH.
Penn State made money by lying? If they had reported Sandusky immediately nothing would have come of it, they wouldn't have lost money - and they made none protecting him.
There's was no competitive advance reaped here.
They shouldn't send Sandusky to jail - what about his wife, his family, and the unmolested kids his charity might have helped? What's going to happen to them? Why should they be punished for his crimes? Totally unfair.
Nothing would have come of it in the way of losing money.
What the hell am I reading.
OMG cause like thats totally the same and all!
What the hell am I reading.
You're saying nothing would have happened to negatively impact the reputation of Penn State if in 1998 PSU outed the sexual predator among their coaching ranks? Good lord almighty.
The whole cover up was done to save PSU as an institution not even to really save Sandusky. The institution will have to suffer the consequences.