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Penn State football pedophilia thread (UPDATE: NCAA sanctions handed down)
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This has nothing to do with the criminal investigation.
Erased from the books. The other teams are not awarded the wins.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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Alot of the commentators have not wanted anything done becuase it "punsishes people who have nothing to do with this cover up". This has been known for awhile and they are coming out full force now.
BertramCooper
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The wins simply vanish. The losing opponents don't get credited for it.
Chris Fowler's Reaction
Haven't seen them say its too harsh, though a host on their radio felt it was too harsh because he thinks it will kill the program. Meh, I think he's overreacting.
No it's not.
Seton Hall should start their football program up again... Who I am I kidding... Its probably be Pitt or Rutgers...
Barack Lesnar
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Captain Tuttle
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Sandusky's? That's done, guy is rotting in jail where he belongs. I just don't think it ends with him.
cartoon_soldier
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He should be removed from the hall of fame for helping a child molester
What competitive edge did they gain for covering up a coach's crimes since 1998 who stopped coaching in 1999?
Angry Fork
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Can someone update me on what the school has done? I haven't been paying much attention all I know is they took down the statue. What else have they done regarding the football stuff and what are people's reactions at the school?
Daydream Sequence
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For most recruits, they join big NCAA football programs to put a spotlight on their skills. No bowls for that many years and sanctions so tough that other potential big recruits will be going elsewhere is going to stop kids from choosing Penn State. No showcase bowl games + no highly talented teammates to get you featured on TV = signing elsewhere. That's going to kill their football program for a long long time. They'll still field teams, but the teams will be full of kids no one else wanted.
Emerson
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That makes sense, but then what's up with stuff like this:
Incorrect or am I just missing something?
Don't know about reactions of students, though I think they're limiting Kool Aid sales.
But the school itself signed off on the sanctions. There will be no appeal or fight from them on these.
DaydreamSequence said:
Oh, it'll hurt. The sanctions would have been too light if they didn't. I just don't think it will kill it.
3rdman said:
Well, as I kept saying, even if you look at it coldly, what could Penn State do otherwise. If they tried to fight the sanctions, NCAA might have made them worse and/or the PR of them fighting against them could have seriously hurt the school (not the program, but the school itself) in the long run.
NPR was interviewing some guy who is the government's crisis management adviser and he made some good points. Namely that whatever punishments happen MUST hurt because unless it does, closure can't be done...and without closure, there is no healing.
I'd like to think that the board at Penn State got the same advice when it came to accepting these terms...if they were more lenient or if the school put up a fight, it's possible that the school would never recover.
twinturbo2
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I think I agree with the punishment. Hopefully this reduces or eliminates the cult of personality that permeates the football program.
There are more important things to life than sports and I hope Penn State recognizes that. When people are minimizing the fact that their football team was harboring a child molester, their priorities are horribly out of whack.
There are more important things to life than sports and I hope Penn State recognizes that. When people are minimizing the fact that their football team was harboring a child molester, their priorities are horribly out of whack.
Technically incorrect. Some fans just can't accept the idea that the game was played, but there was no winner.
In any game involving Indiana football, there are always only losers.
Nope, still 0-15. Losers don't get anything when it comes to "Vacating wins"
Now, if this was Forfeiting, yeah.
Dreams-Visions
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the wins are vacated just like that? or is it as if the games were never played?
edit: thought so.
I hope so too, but it seems the culture that still puts football first is just gonna feel more like victims and further disregard what the rest of the world is telling them. Maybe by the end of the 4 years they will finally get that the blind defending and reliance on an amateur sport is what the NCAA is trying to stop.
CrazyDogg77
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I can't believe this guy is on ESPN saying he doesn't really believe Paterno helped in the cover up.
Emerson
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Got it, thanks.
EDIT: Actually, another question. Are player stats accumulated in those games still counted or are those erased as well? I hope they're not (erased).
Dreams-Visions
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Not really. Every game they played after they decided they needed to cover up Sandusky's actions knowing that if brought to light, it would cause the loss of scholarships or money and reputation (thus hurting football at PSU) is a game they played without the honor and integrity the NCAA and the sport in general expects of its member bodies.
So they lose the right to claim those games.
Quite simple really.
That's the thing though, it won't. All it will do is inspire them to come back even stronger and overcome because it's the world vs. psu something something.
Time WILL heal this program, but it most certainly won't heal the lives of all those kids who they didn't give a damn about for all those years.
Yeah i heard the brandon noble interview tooo...
Daydream Sequence
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Get used to hearing a lot of stupid shit from former Penn State players. He's just the first.
Brandon Noble "I'm not completely sold on the Freeh report, but I also haven't read it." STFU dummy.
Had the University said something in 1998 when they "fired" Sandusky (I prefer "became complicit in child rape"), they probably would not have suffered any disadvantage and JoePa would likely be held in even higher regard (assuming 1998 was the first he heard of it). That being the case, every year from 1999 on when they did not say anything, they gained the advantage of not being known as a school that covered up child rape for 1, 2, 5, 10 years from the day they found out about it.
Wow. Never heard Bowden called a douchebag before. It makes you sound like a douchebag. Good luck with your shitty Gator team next year.
LegendofJoe
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I overreacted earlier. I let my growing anger at the state of college football (and in general the country at large) guide what I wrote. I used to love the game, but given all that has occured over the last several years that is no longer the case.
It was at one point an amateur sport, but that is no longer true. I hope one day that reality will be embraced because I am sick of people pretending otherwise. The belief that the game represents things that it does not and the deification of the people that excel at it are what led to this being allowed to happen. If we actually looked at college football for what it is - a semi-professional league that is dominated and controlled by money then maybe things will eventually start to turn around.
It was at one point an amateur sport, but that is no longer true. I hope one day that reality will be embraced because I am sick of people pretending otherwise. The belief that the game represents things that it does not and the deification of the people that excel at it are what led to this being allowed to happen. If we actually looked at college football for what it is - a semi-professional league that is dominated and controlled by money then maybe things will eventually start to turn around.
Dreams-Visions
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huh?
nope. many freshman and sophomores will transfer. the overwhielming majority of juniors and seniors will probably stay as they are already ingrained into the PSU academic and social communities.
I believe they're retained, but I am not 100 percent sure.
Its a lot harder to "fight the world" so to speak when the football program is in shambles. This was the option with the least collateral damage that still has a chance at putting the thought that "the program is to big to fail" to rest.
Incorrect... Terry Hutchens is a moron reporter
Sirpopopop
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Yeah, it should technically be 1.000, if we're being accurate.
You get my point though. I just used a more colloquial use here.
ratcliffja
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I would say it's now 0-4 instead. Those games effectively never took place. I think the punishment fits the crime. If PSU wants to pretend for decades that this take didn't exist, we can pretend for decades that the football program didn't exist.
We need to schedule Penn St.
Duke would still lose.
The games still took place
Say Penn State went 10-1 for a season, now they went 0-1 but NOBODY gets added wins.
The bad press that would of potentially steered Penn State recruits somewhere else.
Let's not be too hasty.
Kill the program? No.
Does anyone in this thread actually follow college football?
Dreams-Visions
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indeed.
No.....he's right.
I thought Duke had turned the corner. They won some games last year and put up a competitive effort against better teams such as va tech.
Daydream Sequence
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Haha, I went to Duke for graduate work. Football games are a good place to get some studying done. Nice and quiet.
Dreams-Visions
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lol damn.
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