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Penn State football pedophilia thread (UPDATE: NCAA sanctions handed down)
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Daydream Sequence
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Still banging this drum, eh? Kill the program means remove any and all chance of them vying for the national championship for a long long time. Argue the opposite all you want, you're still wrong.
By concealing the truth, it can be argued that the recruits that they landed during the scandal would not have committed to PSU had they known about Sandusky. It's fairly apparent this is true considering when the story first broke, before the cover up was known, they had a hard time getting good recruits and had some players decommit.
I'm a season ticket holder and I think you underestimate how loud the visiting fans get when they score on us.
Sure the team has gotten better. You can now bet on 3-4 wins for a program that couldn't get 1 for the longest. However, they still find creative and painful ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Being 0-3 vs Richmond doesn't help things either. I wish we'd cheat like SMU honestly. Get 3-4 good years before the bottom fell out. It would be worth it. Gong by how the NCAA slapped UNC on the wrist, the punishment wouldn't be that bad either.
Daydream Sequence
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But Lou Holtshhh isshhh jusssh thinking about all the poor innoshent children that did nothing wrong.
Admittedly, I wasn't there for this big turn-around. They were still a 1-win-if-we're-lucky team when I was there. It was still fun to be at games though. Kinda like watching my grandmother do the NY Times Crossword Puzzle. She's going to try really hard, but everyone watching her knows she's gonna lose that battle.
What I would have done:
-vacation of wins for Paterno, but not Penn St.
-4 year bowl ban
-2 year TV ban
-1 year ban on non-students attending games.
- but no scholly reduction, players still allowed to leave
- 3 years starting next year of no nonconf home games
I think that would have been a fairer punishment. Wouldn't hurt the kids as much. This hurt a lot of folks who had nothing to do with Sandusky. These sanctions would be more appropiate for widespread systmatic academic fraud, like players taking classes closed to the rest of the university that gave A's despite not giving any work.
-vacation of wins for Paterno, but not Penn St.
-4 year bowl ban
-2 year TV ban
-1 year ban on non-students attending games.
- but no scholly reduction, players still allowed to leave
- 3 years starting next year of no nonconf home games
I think that would have been a fairer punishment. Wouldn't hurt the kids as much. This hurt a lot of folks who had nothing to do with Sandusky. These sanctions would be more appropiate for widespread systmatic academic fraud, like players taking classes closed to the rest of the university that gave A's despite not giving any work.
slightconfuse
Banned
Big Ten just announced a 13 million title and bowl game loss for the school. that is in additon to the 60 million.
Got this from the AA twitter but Deadspin or other site haven't reported anything yet...
Awful Announcing ‏@awfulannouncing
Big Ten censures Penn State and gives bowl revenue share during postseason ban ($13M p/y) to organizations to prevent child abuse.
Or maybe its just speculation on their part. So I guess a grain of salt for now.
Awful Announcing ‏@awfulannouncing
Big Ten censures Penn State and gives bowl revenue share during postseason ban ($13M p/y) to organizations to prevent child abuse.
Or maybe its just speculation on their part. So I guess a grain of salt for now.
You guys did have Spurrier in the 80s. And the mass academic fraud you're talking about is what I'm referring to earlier as well.
why?
BertramCooper
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Is there anything more infuriating than the "Don't punish the innocent!" argument?
It's a hollow and profoundly dishonest line of thinking.
It's a hollow and profoundly dishonest line of thinking.
It's official, they already sent the release out
Censured, losing bowl revenue share (going to child abuse charities) and ineligible for Big Ten Championship game
ConfusingJazz
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Yes, he murdered 15 people with an axe, but he is a good father and needs to provide for his children.
Dreams-Visions
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that would hurt not only Penn State, but other conference teams who have to play them annually. throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
also, how do you vacate wins for Paterno but not Penn State? let's not forget that the University President himself was part of this cover-up.
Battlezone
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The championship game ban isn't surprising; in fact, I assumed that was a given after they said OSU was ineligible for it this year.
That's a pretty strange definition of "kill the program" you have there.
ConfusingJazz
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So, is Purdue the only one eligible for the Big 10 Championship Game?
Its like they don't get that innocent people have already been destroyed over this. Kids that played for PSU during 98-11 can easily survive the"trauma" of imaginary loses versus the kids that that were raped during the same time. I don't get why this is hard to understand.
Because cancelling their non-conf games for next year would punish the other institutions, empty stadium bans are effective for European soccer, and would punish the alumni/fans.
SMU had a similar restriction when they got death penalty- but they just cancelled the program for the 2nd year instead.
The "innocents" being referred to is the current team I think, the only thing that really hurts them is the scholly reduction, which is the one thing in this I don't like.
How would it hurt the other conference teams? They'd get their win. On the vacate for Penn St. as well, I can go either way on that- vacated wins aren't serious business unless it involves a title. No one cares if a Music city bowl win gets vacated.
Dreams-Visions
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actually, all B1G teams traditionally get a split of the money from B1G teams getting to bowl games.
Also, how long will they not be allowed to attend bowls that are affiliated with B1G?
Couldn't have happened to a better program. Ha! Listening to PSU former players in denial is hilarious. The idol worship will stop. They renamed the Big10 trophy, right?
Whoa! Gators fan here, but no hate for Bobbo. Bowden is one of those guys you hate when he's on the field, but you still want to have a drink and share stories with. He comes off as classy and a nice guy. I'm glad he's the winningest coach now, he deserved to win that battle and see that goal accomplished while he's still alive. Hopefully nothing sick like this ever comes out about him. PEACE.
Whoa! Gators fan here, but no hate for Bobbo. Bowden is one of those guys you hate when he's on the field, but you still want to have a drink and share stories with. He comes off as classy and a nice guy. I'm glad he's the winningest coach now, he deserved to win that battle and see that goal accomplished while he's still alive. Hopefully nothing sick like this ever comes out about him. PEACE.
4 years
Daydream Sequence
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Yep, because big schools are known for their love of 5-6 seasons.We're using the definition of "kill the program" that aligns itself with "death penalty". Did the "death penalty" kill SMU? Nope, they still exist.
Dreams-Visions
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ic. can they play in the B1G championship game? or is that technically considered "post-season"?
SMU cancelled their program because most of the players transferred and they couldn't field a full team. That won't happen to PSU.
So I can't watch Wisconsin play because Penn State enabled kid rape?
Battlezone
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Forbes on why the sanctions are too lenient
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoza...t-penn-state-for-sex-scandal-are-too-lenient/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoza...t-penn-state-for-sex-scandal-are-too-lenient/
4 additional years or just the 4 years they were already banned?
Not really. They just want to get their venom in
So big fucking whoop. The NCAA already did that.
Kids on the football team don't get free trips and shopping sprees from sponsors. And a few million to the university, depending on the bowl.
Daydream Sequence
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Yeah, how dare people be offended by child rape, and the 15 year cover up of child rape. I get it, you're a Penn State football fan. There's more important things than football. Hopefully during Penn States death throes over the next 5-10 years you'll realize that.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Meaningless seasons. The games turn into exhibitions with no reward at the end.
BertramCooper
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The comparisons to USC are totally off-base.
USC has the distinct advantage of being located in Sunny SoCal and not Bumblefuck, PA. Unless the NCAA figures out a way to move the Trojans to North Dakota, there's only so much damage you can inflict on a program whose location is a huge recruiting advantage.
Penn State isn't that lucky.
Dreams-Visions
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Most college football recruits want to go to bowls and postseason games to market themselves for NFL. Banning them from that and the scholarship limits means that most good recruits won't go near PSU.
ConfusingJazz
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To be fair, that would be an awesome punishment. If you fuck up too much, your football team is forced to North Dakota, and all recruit visits must take place during February.
It's also the only "NFL" team in LA, while Penn State has to deal with in two really popular NFL teams in the Eagles and Steelers.
Hari Seldon
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These sanctions effectively kill the football program for anyone but the most die hard. For a casual fan like myself, it simply means I will not be watching any college football anymore.
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