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[Yaboosh]

Friend of mine attends the law school there. Tempted to email him, get his thoughts on this.

Grad students who didnt attend the Church of Paterno as undergrads are almost certainly thinking lucidly about this whole situation.

 

[Hari Seldon]

To be fair he wasn't concerned about his career during the Grand Jury investigation. He's the only witness and the kid never got ID'd. He could've tried to protect the school but he didn't. Maybe that's what's keeping him there? I don't know.

If he is protected by whistleblower laws, the university is not allowed to fire him or even force him to change jobs. I guess they could put together some sweet severance package and agree to waive his whistleblower protection.

 

[samus i am]

I talked to a few friends and we're officially going up for the Nebraska game. Shit's going to be nuts. If I don't post for a couple days assume the worst.

 

[C Jones]

His situation is a trillion times worse than Joe Paterno's, whom I still believe was blamed unfairly. Hell, I think his actions (or inactions) are second only to Sandusky.

Will you believe that if it comes to light that JoePa was fully aware of the 1998 incident too?

He HAD to know about that. It's only a matter of time until that comes out IMO.

 

[SolidSnakex]

For the record, Bradley added that they haven't determined where McQueary will be while coaching (as in on the field or in the press box). This shows that they're even concerned about what might happen with him on the sidelines. I can't see why they'd let him coach at all if they're that concerned.

 

[crowphoenix]

I talked to a few friends and we're officially going up for the Nebraska game. Shit's going to be nuts. If I don't post for a couple days assume the worst.

Man, you're nuts. Stay safe.

 

[Fenderputty]

His situation is a trillion times worse than Joe Paterno's, whom I still believe was blamed unfairly. Hell, I think his actions (or inactions) are second only to Sandusky.

I don't know about a trillion times worse, and both are pretty bad. What I don't understand is how the school doesn't make this connection. Why do they think it's a good idea to let a guy coach who's guilty of the very thing (if not worse) than what the old coach just got fired for.

 

[vas_a_morir]

If he is protected by whistleblower laws, the university is not allowed to fire him or even force him to change jobs. I guess they could put together some sweet severance package and agree to waive his whistleblower protection.

He was a graduate student then. It's hard to switch schools in the middle of a program.

 

[C Jones]

I talked to a few friends and we're officially going up for the Nebraska game. Shit's going to be nuts. If I don't post for a couple days assume the worst.

Don't forget to wear blue.

 

[samus i am]

Will you believe that if it comes to light that JoePa was fully aware of the 1998 incident too?

He HAD to know about that. It's only a matter of time until that comes out IMO.

I'm glad you added IMO....

 

[JGS]

This. To McQueary Sandusky was probably like family. Its hard to turn on someone that you're close to.

But he did turn on him. The easiest thing to do would be not to say anything or lessen the import of what he saw.

Will you believe that if it comes to light that JoePa was fully aware of the 1998 incident too?

He HAD to know about that. It's only a matter of time until that comes out IMO.

I hope the legal standard never becomes firing a guy for what we think he knows.

 

[C Jones]

I hope the legal standard never becomes firing a guy for what we think he knows.

I'm not sure how this relates to my post.

 

[harSon]

I don't know about a trillion times worse, and both are pretty bad. What I don't understand is how the school doesn't make this connection. Why do they think it's a good idea to let a guy coach who's guilty of the very thing (if not worse) than what the old coach just got fired for.

No, it's a trillion times worse. He knew for sure that Sandusky was a child rapist and that nothing was being done about it considering he saw it with his own two eyes, as well as the fact that he walked in on a kid being molested and did absolutely nothing to help that child. Paterno had 2nd hand knowledge of the incident, meaning that from his point of view, it could have been true or false. If the College told him they did an investigation and that the information was baseless, he would have no choice but to accept that. Paterno was dupable, he was not.

 

[samus i am]

Don't forget to wear blue.

I've been wearing blue all week. There are a ton of Penn Staters in DC.

 

[Salaadin]

Dude sounds like Snagglepuss

Uhh, hes hard to listen to.

 

[C Jones]

I've been wearing blue all week. There are a ton of Penn Staters in DC.

I'm talking about for the "blue out". In support of the victims.

 

[samus i am]

I'm talking about for the "blue out". In support of the victims.

What Sandusky did to those victims is downright evil. The media's hounding of Paterno has caused people to lose sight of the real villains.

 

[Ducarmel]

If he is protected by whistleblower laws, the university is not allowed to fire him or even force him to change jobs. I guess they could put together some sweet severance package and agree to waive his whistleblower protection.

Sandusky was not employed by Penn State he was an over glorified retiree/alumni.

I thinking he got some serious dirt on them, that they are willing to risk taking the hit keeping him on the job then him really going after the college if he is fired.

 

[Dude Abides]

No, it's a trillion times worse. He knew for sure that Sandusky was a child rapist and that nothing was being done about it considering he saw it with his own two eyes, as well as the fact that he walked in on a kid being molested and did absolutely nothing to help that child. Paterno had 2nd hand knowledge of the incident, meaning that from his point of view, it could have been true or false. If the College told him they did an investigation and that the information was baseless, he would have no choice but to accept that. Paterno was dupable, he was not.

That doesn't make it a trillion times worse. One was certain, the other had a report. Neither of them did much.

Paterno had a lot more power and a lot less to fear for reporting it. I'd say it's a wash.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Sandusky was not employed by Penn State he was an over glorified retiree/alumni.

I thinking he got some serious dirt on them, that they are willing to risk taking the hit keeping him on the job then him really going after the college if he is fired.

I was referring to Curly and Shultz who were high ranking university officials that apparently McQueary is going to testify against.

 

[Sanjuro]

What Sandusky did to those victims is downright evil. The media's hounding of Paterno has caused people to lose sight of the real villains.

The media anally raped children?! Why is Stephen A. Smith not in prison then?

 

[weekend_warrior]

I really think this is comparable to a Columbine or Virginia Tech in terms of lives destroyed and damage to the school. I dunno, is it fucked up to say that? I don't think it's a stretch if you believe rape is up there with murder.

I'm not sure if I could compare the 3. In terms of reputation whats happening to Penn State is far worse, VT was just one student going crazy and I don't think anybody blames the school for it. The Columbine shooting happened because of teasing and although the school took same blame nothing happened there that doesn't happen in every school.

 

[JCreasy]

Karissa, a Penn State journalism student, "protestor" and a rep of the Penn State radio program called into Boomer (yes, Esiason) and Carton Show this morning. Carton ripped her to shreds. Audio:

http://nyc.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d0/dZ/d7/dN/d6/Z7N6_3.MP3?authtok?dl=1

OMG this Carton guy NAILED IT!!!

 

[C Jones]

No, it's a trillion times worse. He knew for sure that Sandusky was a child rapist and that nothing was being done about it considering he saw it with his own two eyes, as well as the fact that he walked in on a kid being molested and did absolutely nothing to help that child. Paterno had 2nd hand knowledge of the incident, meaning that from his point of view, it could have been true or false. If the College told him they did an investigation and that the information was baseless, he would have no choice but to accept that. Paterno was dupable, he was not.

Are you saying that actually happened? Scott said JoePa never followed up after reporting it.

 

[Bowser]

Karissa, a Penn State journalism student, "protestor" and a rep of the Penn State radio program called into Boomer (yes, Esiason) and Carton Show this morning. Carton ripped her to shreds. Audio:

http://nyc.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d0/dZ/d7/dN/d6/Z7N6_3.MP3?authtok?dl=1

Anyone mind posting a mp3 download link to this? I'm at work and the site itself is blocked, but I'd like to hear it.

 

[Salaadin]

What Sandusky did to those victims is downright evil. The media's hounding of Paterno has caused people to lose sight of the real villains.

If what that girl on the radio show linked above says is true, Sandusky was on campus YESTERDAY and the media wasnt chasing him around because they were all busy camped outside Joes house.

 

[wonderkins]

What Sandusky did to those victims is downright evil. The media's hounding of Paterno has caused people to lose sight of the real villains.

Bull.

There's little discussion of Sandusky because there is no disagreement over the evil that he perpetrated.

 

[samus i am]

The media anally raped children?! Why is Stephen A. Smith not in prison then?

No that was Sandusky. You see how misinformation can spread?

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

But he did turn on him. The easiest thing to do would be not to say anything or lessen the import of what he saw.
I hope the legal standard never becomes firing a guy for what we think he knows.

Um, the legal standard is currently "fire a guy for any reason you want outside of discrimination" in most states.

 

[samus i am]

If what that girl on the radio show linked above says is true, Sandusky was on campus YESTERDAY and the media wasnt chasing him around because they were all busy camped outside Joes house.

Now that is seriously sickening!

 

[Futureman]

does anyone have a link to that photo of Paterno with the "I dunno!" look on his face holding his hands up in the car?

what I don't get about the whole situation is that it was determined that Sandusky was not allowed to bring kids on campus anymore. What fucking world do these people live in where that is proper punishment for raping a kid? EVERYONE who knew about what happened and didn't move to put Sandusky behind bars should be fired straight up. Sandusky is REALLY set to coach on Saturday? Fucking laugh out loud.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

What Sandusky did to those victims is downright evil. The media's hounding of Paterno has caused people to lose sight of the real villains.

Just because one guy did something horrific doesn't give everyone else a pass just because what they did was less worse. Paterno deserves to be raked over the coals for his actions.

 

[Gary Whitta]

Saw this:

"Paterno, 84, now has the unfathomable task of having to adjust to life without being a football coach."

Fuck off. If you want to talk about unfathomable tasks, how about being the victim or the loved one of a victim who has to recover from serial child rape? Who gives a fuck about (a) football or (b) those who enabled these crimes right now?

 

[PastorOfMuppets]

Man, I did not realize how seriously people take college football in some parts of the US. Would any other school react like this or is this exclusive to Penn State because Joe Paterno is some sort of cult figure there?

 

[Sanjuro]

No that was Sandusky. You see how misinformation can spread?

No, I was just responding to your idiotic postings about the media. The media is the only reason ANYTHING is getting done at this corrupt institution.

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Now that is seriously sickening!

Why? He posted bail. He hasn't been found guilty by trial as of yet.

As distasteful as it seems, accusations are not enough to strip of his freedom.

He'll have his day in court.

 

[Dude Abides]

What Sandusky did to those victims is downright evil. The media's hounding of Paterno has caused people to lose sight of the real villains.

Everyone agrees Sandusky is a monster; there's no controversy. He doesn't have a deluded defense force rioting in the streets. Paterno does.

 

[samus i am]

No, I was just responding to your idiotic postings about the media. The media is the only reason ANYTHING is getting done at this corrupt institution.

Totally not true. The grand jury investigation is the reason. This is the type of thing the media does:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=32583628&postcount=2377

 

[scorcho]

Anyone mind posting a mp3 download link to this? I'm at work and the site itself is blocked, but I'd like to hear it.

right click, save link as.

just copy the link and email it to yourself. it's already an MP3.

 

[Bowser]

right click, save link as.

just copy the link and email it to yourself. it's already an MP3.

Tried that, didn't work for whatever reason. I tried to get it over 3G on my phone, but it barely loads (working in Rockefeller Center during the holiday season overwhelms cell coverage here, slows data speeds to a crawl).

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Why? He posted bail. He hasn't been found guilty by trial as of yet.

As distasteful as it seems, accusations are not enough to strip of his freedom.

He'll have his day in court.

Is Penn State not allowed to restrict his access to campus?

 

[Fenderputty]

That doesn't make it a trillion times worse. One was certain, the other had a report. Neither of them did much.

Paterno had a lot more power and a lot less to fear for reporting it. I'd say it's a wash.

Exactly. The only reason I think McQueary is worse is because he physically could have tried to prevent something. Both people ended up doing very little.

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Man, I did not realize how seriously people take college football in some parts of the US. Would any other school react like this or is this exclusive to Penn State because Joe Paterno is some sort of cult figure there?

Yes. So many. Say John Wooten was trafficking in 3rd World orphans. Brentwood would riot. (OK, that made me laugh)

But yeah, there aren't as many storied individuals at colleges any more, which exacerbates the issue. But if you place hypotheticals on other legendary coaches and transpose them in the mordern age, I can see it happening.

like, if Woody Hayes shot a player instead of just punching them. I mean, I'm just stepping it up for the times.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

Man, I did not realize how seriously people take college football in some parts of the US. Would any other school react like this or is this exclusive to Penn State because Joe Paterno is some sort of cult figure there?

Tennessee rioted after Lane Kiffin left.

God knows why, but they did.

 

[Hari Seldon]

If what that girl on the radio show linked above says is true, Sandusky was on campus YESTERDAY and the media wasnt chasing him around because they were all busy camped outside Joes house.

Yeah I heard Sandusky was walking around the walmart that is like 1 mile off campus, while hoards of media were camped outside of Joe's house.

 

[Sanjuro]

Totally not true. The grand jury investigation is the reason. This is the type of thing the media does:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=32583628&postcount=2377

...your reasoning is severely flawed. You are fooling yourself to believe that the report alone would have removed Paterno from his position.

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Is Penn State not allowed to restrict his access to campus?

Public property, and, well he poses no threat to adult students. He's not into adults right?

Maybe certain facilities and buildings, but just being on campus is harder.

 

[Fenderputty]

Um, the legal standard is currently "fire a guy for any reason you want outside of discrimination" in most states.

Ironically something you would normally see JGS fight to the teeth to defend.

 

[Sanjuro]

Public property, and, well he poses no threat to adult students. He's not into adults right?

Maybe certain facilities and buildings, but just being on campus is harder.

I mentioned last night he should have came and joined in on the rioting. Students were stupid enough to probably rally behind him.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Public property, and, well he poses no threat to adult students. He's not into adults right?

Maybe certain facilities and buildings, but just being on campus is harder.

Gotcha, I really wasn't sure if the campus grounds were public property. Yeah, there's not much that can be done about that, but jesus, Sandusky.