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Penn State football pedophilia thread (UPDATE: NCAA sanctions handed down)

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legend166

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Dead Man said:
I think you'll find a lot of people outside the US find it a bit silly that US based teams competitions call themselves World Champions without playing internationally. They often are the best in the world, but that does not mean they are world champions. Two different things. And how did this become the pile on Salazar thread?
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Well you see he made some reasonable comments about how the popularity, importance and influence of collegiate sports might not be the most positive thing, and people went NUTS.
 
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Kermit The Dog

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legend166 said:
Also, Kermit the Dog is a massive douche.
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AUS-GAF stays tight, I see. It's probably why I find the thread so distasteful. Full of circle-jerking, in-joke retardation with people who think they're amusing.

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In other news, the Geelong Cats are the Australian Football World Champions.
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No true Swans fan would say such a thing, considering we beat them on their home turf.
 
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Cyan

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Really? This thread-derailing bullshit is some kind of Aussie infighting?

Knew you guys should never have been let back into the forum.
 
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Squirrel Killer

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legend166 said:
Well you see he made some reasonable comments about how the popularity, importance and influence of collegiate sports might not be the most positive thing, and people went NUTS.
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No he didn't. He made some vague, unsupported allegations that big time college was bad but when I and other challenged him on it, he decided that was the time to stop derailing the thread.
 
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Dead Man

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Pristine_Condition said:
I think I'd find that a lot of people all over the world believe all sorts of foolish shit when it comes to subjects they don't know anything about.

I'm sure I could go somewhere outside the US and find a lot of people who believe in things like "the evil eye," and voodoo curses, too.

A false consensus based on ignorance doesn't make something true.
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Indeed. But I'll leave it there.

legend166 said:
Well you see he made some reasonable comments about how the popularity, importance and influence of collegiate sports might not be the most positive thing, and people went NUTS.
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Quite possiblly providing evidence for his point...
 
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bodyofanamerican

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...UgyZkQ?docId=57c59bae59ba4894a85cd40f140e54d1
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NCAA launching investigation.

Death Penalty on the table?

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) — The NCAA has told Penn State it will investigate the school in the wake of a child sex abuse scandal that has shocked the campus, and cost its former president and coach Joe Paterno their jobs.
NCAA president Mark Emmert sent a letter to Penn State president Rod Erickson saying that the governing body for college sports will examine "Penn State's exercise of institutional control over its intercollegiate athletics programs" in the case of Jerry Sandusky, the former defensive coordinator accused of serial child sex abuse.
Penn State released the letter Friday.
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GoldenEye 007

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Well, I said unless the NCAA has some catch-all provisions for general behavior, they wouldn't touch it. Seems like they found some, so it is obviously now a NCAA matter on top of the state and federal investigations.

Death penalty? Well, it can be employed even if a school wasn't a repeat violator depending on severity of the infraction. I really don't know what would be on the table outside of the obvious Lack of Institutional Control.
 
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BenjaminBirdie

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GoldenEye 007 said:
Well, I said unless the NCAA has some catch-all provisions for general behavior, they wouldn't touch it. Seems like they found some, so it is obviously now a NCAA matter on top of the state and federal investigations.

Death penalty? Well, it can be employed even if a school wasn't a repeat violator depending on severity of the infraction. I really don't know what would be on the table outside of the obvious Lack of Institutional Control.
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What the fuck, the NCAA can kill Sandusky?
 
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Dan

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Cyan said:
If we're done bickering about irrelevant shit, here's an interesting NYT article that lays out a bit more of how the case was built against Sandusky.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/sports/ncaafootball/internet-posting-helped-sandusky-investigators.html?_r=2&src=me&ref=sports

It's pretty clear from that why McQueary hasn't come under more heat--he's still the key witness.
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Instead, Curley and Schultz reported back to McQueary that they had decided to take away Sandusky’s keys to the locker room, bar him from bringing children to the football building and report the incident to Second Mile, according to the grand jury’s findings. Spanier, the university president, testified that he approved the plan, but that he had never been told Sandusky’s misconduct was sexual in nature.
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How are you told of that plan and not be curious about the reasons? That's incompetence, a coverup or willful ignorance.
 
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Learn2read

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http://www.wwtdd.com/2011/11/joe-paterno-has-lung-cancer/ said:
Joe Paternos son announced today that Paterno has a treatable form of lung cancer. Paterno, who is 84, is undergoing treatment and his son said “doctors are optimistic he will make a full recovery.” He also joked that “this is why dad couldn’t blow the whistle on Sandusky,” which I feel was in bad taste.
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lol
 
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AndyD

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Dan said:
How are you told of that plan and not be curious about the reasons? That's incompetence, a coverup or willful ignorance.
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Sometimes its better not to know. Happens with corporate structure all the time where people are not told or don't ask for details to insulate from potential liability. "I didn't know" is an excellent defense and "should have asked/known" is hard to prove in court considering hindsight is 20/20.
 
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SolidSnakex

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Victim One, the first known alleged victim of abuse by former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky, had to leave his school in the middle of his senior year because of bullying, his counselor said Sunday.

Officials at Central Mountain High School in Clinton County weren’t providing guidance for fellow students, who were reacting badly about Joe Paterno’s firing and blaming the 17-year-old, said Mike Gillum, the psychologist helping his family. Those officials were unavailable for comment this weekend.

The name-calling and verbal threats were just too much, he said.
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http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/alleged_jerry_sandusky_victim.html
 
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SolidSnakex

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This isn't directly related to the Sandusky case, but it gives you an idea of how Joe Pa ran his program

Legendary Penn State football coach Joe Paterno clashed repeatedly with the university's former chief disciplinarian over how harshly to punish players who got into trouble, internal emails suggest, shedding new light on the school's effort to balance its reputation as a magnet for scholar-athletes with the demands of running a nationally dominant football program.

In an Aug. 12, 2005, email to Pennsylvania State University President Graham Spanier and others, Vicky Triponey, the university's standards and conduct officer, complained that Mr. Paterno believed she should have "no interest, (or business) holding our football players accountable to our community standards. The Coach is insistent he knows best how to discipline his players…and their status as a student when they commit violations of our standards should NOT be our concern…and I think he was saying we should treat football players different from other students in this regard."

The confrontations came to a head in 2007, according to one former school official, when six football players were charged by police for forcing their way into a campus apartment that April and beating up several students, one of them severely. That September, following a tense meeting with Mr. Paterno over the case, she resigned her post, saying at the time she left because of "philosophical differences."
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In an email to Mr. Spanier on Sept. 1, Dr. Triponey wrote of Mr. Paterno: "I do not support the way this man is running our football program. We certainly would not tolerate this behavior in our students so I struggle with how we tolerate it in our coach."

That same fall, Dr. Triponey's office suspended Dan Connor, a Penn State linebacker, who had been accused of making harassing calls to a retired assistant coach. Shortly after the suspension was handed down, Mr. Paterno ordered the player to suit up, according to a person familiar with the matter. Dr. Triponey informed the player that if he suited up for practice, he would be in violation of his suspension and could face expulsion. Mr. Connor says he recalled being suspended only for games, not practice.

The incident prompted Mr. Spanier to visit Dr. Triponey at her home. Dr. Triponey confirms he told her that Mr. Paterno had given him an ultimatum: Fire her, or Mr. Paterno would stop fund-raising for the school. She says Mr. Spanier told her that if forced to choose, he would choose her over the coach—but that he did not want to have to make that choice.

Later, Mr. Connor's suspension was reduced to 10 days, allowing him to return to football.

In 2007, as many as two dozen players broke into an off-campus apartment, sparking a melee that captured headlines and prompted the police to file criminal charges against six Penn State football players. "Pretty much the entire Penn State defense broke in and started swinging bar stools and stuff," says John Britt, then a third-year criminal-justice major who was beaten up in the incident. Mr. Britt says he took a beer bottle to the back of the head—and that players apparently continued to beat him after he'd lost consciousness. (Now 25, Mr. Britt serves warrants for state court in Philadelphia.)

Dr. Triponey's department began an inquiry. According to a Penn State employee's record of the proceedings, Mr. Spanier was involved in at least nine meetings with representatives of the judicial-affairs department, and Mr. Paterno was involved in at least six.

In a meeting with Messrs. Paterno and Spanier and others, Dr. Triponey complained that the players were stonewalling her and suggested that Mr. Paterno ought to compel them to be truthful, according to one person familiar with the meeting. Mr. Paterno angrily responded that his players couldn't be expected to cooperate with the school's disciplinary process because, in this case, they would have to testify against each other, making it hard to play football together, these people say.

In the end, police dropped many of the charges against the players, and two pleaded guilty to misdemeanors. The school's inquiry led to four players being suspended for a summer semester. They did not miss any games.

Coach Paterno imposed his own punishment: he said the whole team would spend two hours cleaning up the stadium after home games that fall.

After Dr. Triponey's departure, the university hired Bob Secor, a former vice provost at the school, to head a committee to examine the judicial-review process. Mr. Secor says that Mr. Paterno told him that he didn't think other people should be able to decide whether a football player should be able to play or not. "And we agreed with that," he says.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204443404577052073672561402.html
 
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Dram

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http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/22/8959190-report-2-new-cases-of-child-abuse-alleged-against-sandusky

2 new cases of child abuse alleged against Sandusky

Officials with The Children and Youth Services in Pennsylvania are investigating two new cases of child abuse alleged against former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky, The Patriot News reported Tuesday.

If the new allegations -- reported less than 60 days ago -- are found to be credible, it would the first known cases involving people who are still under the age of 18, the newspaper reported.

The state's Children and Youth Services only investigates reports of abuse if victims are minors. All others are handled by police agencies, according to Pennsylvania law.
 
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NihonTiger90

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Dram said:
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/22/8959190-report-2-new-cases-of-child-abuse-alleged-against-sandusky

2 new cases of child abuse alleged against Sandusky

Officials with The Children and Youth Services in Pennsylvania are investigating two new cases of child abuse alleged against former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky, The Patriot News reported Tuesday.

If the new allegations -- reported less than 60 days ago -- are found to be credible, it would the first known cases involving people who are still under the age of 18, the newspaper reported.

The state's Children and Youth Services only investigates reports of abuse if victims are minors. All others are handled by police agencies, according to Pennsylvania law.
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It gets worse:

http://www.thepostgame.com/features...gainst-former-penn-state-assistant-jerry-sand

The Penn State scandal only seems to get more haunting by the day. What started out as unthinkable only gets more so as accounts emerge of short-sighted adults failing to protect helpless children. The latest report, once again delivered by the Patriot-News, is horrifying.

Jerry Sandusky's attorney says one of two new cases of alleged sexual abuse under investigation by Children and Youth Services in Pennsylvania was made by someone in Sandusky's family.
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SolidSnakex

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SANDUSKY: I was sitting there saying, "What in the world is this question?" You know, if I say, no, I'm not attracted to boys, that's not the truth, because I'm attracted to young people, boys, girls..."

LAWYER [JUMPING IN FROM OFF CAMERA]: Yes, but not sexually. You're attracted because you enjoy spending time...

SANDUSKY: Right, I enjoy--that's what I was trying to say--I enjoy spending time with young people.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-interview-sexually-attracted-to-kids-2011-12

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/03/s...-sandusky-tells-his-own-story.html?ref=sports

I'm fine with him continuing to bury himself, but why is his lawyer even allowing him to do interviews? It's pretty obvious that he can't hide his real feelings.
 
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weekend_warrior

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SolidSnakex said:
http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-interview-sexually-attracted-to-kids-2011-12

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/03/s...-sandusky-tells-his-own-story.html?ref=sports

I'm fine with him continuing to bury himself, but why is his lawyer even allowing him to do interviews? It's pretty obvious that he can't hide his real feelings.
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At this point they're probably just working the insanity/illness angle. If he goes to prison as a child molester he's a dead man walking. So now they're trying to convince people he doesn't understand that what he did was wrong and he only has an illness and he only needs to spent time in a health ward.
 
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